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any anyway you you just about gave me a

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heart attack a minute ago um

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no i do not think roswell was nazi

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technology

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oh i'm sorry all right well i thought no

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i i mean that you thought it could could

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have been well no what what i have said

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is that um i i we're we're on air now

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yeah we've been on air since nine

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o'clock it's 9 16. let's get started

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again sorry i'm busting your balls

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um

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uh i find that joseph farrell's roswell

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and the reich

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whether people like it or not

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is one of the best

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um presented hypotheses on roswell of

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all throughout the years it's one it's i

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think it's for the hypothesis that he's

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presenting i think it's uh very well

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researched he goes into the kind of

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technology they were developing um

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during the war and and shows how that

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could be reflected and what we're told

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was um

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captured and uh however it's a book that

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gets ignored because you got a bunch of

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people in the et hypothesis community

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that just don't want to hear that it was

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anything but e.t you got me whatever

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you know uh get they and i'm putting air

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quotes around this they get tired of

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hearing about any you know possible nazi

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connection to things and then there's

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some people that just don't like joseph

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you know we got a lot of that in our

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community people it's personality

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clashes and things like that but well i

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don't know i don't know that i dislike

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him but i think that it's a little bit

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he's one of those characters that to me

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is a little bit uh

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controversial and and and makes me

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question his credibility some of the

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things well that's but but see that's

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reasonable right

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yeah if you find if you find you know a

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researcher's stuff you know who's

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controversial or you have recent

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questions that's reasonable that's not

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what i'm talking about i'm

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usually when i defend roswell on the

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reich

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it's because you know how many people

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that complain that i've heard either

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have a negative view of that book or

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even complain about it i asked them and

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to a man

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or a woman

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but to each one of them i say have you

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read the book no

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well

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you know come on even even i yeah i have

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to admit i haven't read i haven't read

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that book i have a couple of his other

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books though and i just mean some of the

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things i question is like i think that

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he uh is a doctor of theology

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yes yeah he got his phd from oxford

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which is legitimate oh of course it's

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legitimate but it's just like okay

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you're a doctor of theology but you're

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going to tell us all about the truth

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about ufos it just doesn't line up to me

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i don't know maybe i grew up with too

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many ministers that were doctors do you

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know what i mean like i knew about oh

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yeah yeah he's he's not you know he's no

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but isn't he he's in the in the in the

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like russian orthodox church isn't he no

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eastern

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almost like being in the freemasons it's

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a whole nother world right remember he

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he walked away from it

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oh i did i didn't know that see i'm not

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fully informed on him i'm kind of like

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he's in my gray basket he's been in my

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gray basket for a long time yeah and and

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look that said la said you know about

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roswell and the reich

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i don't agree with him that it was it

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was a nazi craft now i'm i'm being a

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little bit tricky because i think it was

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um and we're jumping right into this i

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guess i think it was um i think it was

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flight and it was done with

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paper clip nazi scientists that's it i'm

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sorry i missed you

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yeah you know it's been a long time

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since we talked and when you told me

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about that i went digging into what you

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were talking about with this and when

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jesus look at all these rocket

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scientists that came over from nazi

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germany to help with the space program

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and the rocket program

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this could be a really good theory

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based on the number of them there was

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hundreds wasn't there hundreds of rocket

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scientists verna braun braun is the most

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rocket scientists but here here's the

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thing everybody uh kind of gets diverted

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and and you know i'm not being hyper

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critical here i'm just stating effect

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most people when you talk about

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operation paperclip

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they think of oh that was all about the

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bomb that was all about um

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uh the rocket scientists actually

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operation paperclip when you look at the

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history of it

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the leader of it

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aviation medicine

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scientists that was the actual origin

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operation paperclip and these are the

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guys who originated it and of course it

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was smart well shoot if we can bring in

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these guys we can bring in the the

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nuclear you know the atomic scientists

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we can bring in you know um

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you know whoever the rocket guys and

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such um so it really originated with the

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guys who dating back to the 1920s had

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been wanting to put man in space so then

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you get all these these guys together

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aviation medicine guys rockets engineers

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and such you get them in the same place

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at the same time with a bunch of secrecy

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a lot of money what do you think they're

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try putting men in space and i think

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that's what what we've come to popularly

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call the roswell incident i think that's

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really the secret nugget and i've and

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i've put a fine point on that um since

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then which i'm sure we'll get into

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but um it it i think and i listened to

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um your the i listened to the kalkorf

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episode in this discussion and i

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listened to kevin randles and there's a

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lot those guys say that both of them

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that i agree with there's a little that

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the famous stuff involving mac brazil

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and major marcel and the debris and all

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this stuff i think that was what the air

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force told us it was that it was balloon

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target balloon stuff and and mogul

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balloon stuff blah blah blah all that

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that was involved in that debris that

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brazel and then brought in

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what i do think is that there was a

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crash incident where there were you know

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bodies retrieved and there there was a

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crash and stuff and i think the the

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thread that might connect the two and i

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connect the two is that the mogul

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balloon might have had something to do

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with the crash of the craft but i think

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the craft was america's first attempt at

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manned spaceflight and i go into that

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why how i think that and why and how it

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would work in my book shimmering light

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of course but um that that's what i and

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thing with the debris stuff i think the

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army air corps used that

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to you know while they were scrambling

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use that and the alien you know flying

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saucer idea to cover up this first

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attempt at manned space flight now why

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would they go to such lengths to cover

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that up because it was 1947 it was right

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of the cold war if if we're going to

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space we don't want anyone outside the

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people working on to know that and they

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yes yes i'm saying this there's going to

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be somebody out there saying that's not

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logical well whatever but

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yes i say that they would have even

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preferred people to to believe in a

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flying saucer story before admitting

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community don't do i could be wrong

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imagine that

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supports your theory however is this

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like horrific experiments on people yeah

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to see what would happen if you shot

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somebody in the space like they were

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putting people in vacuum chambers and

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stuff altitude chambers my dad saw those

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films as part of his training he had to

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watch uh he and the other guys if if you

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were in the u.s air force and you were

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working in altitude chambers aviation

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medicine division of the air force which

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my dad was in um you had to you you

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watched those nazi films that uh i

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believe hubertus struggled was involved

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with that and they would put um

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they would put people inside altitude

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chambers without a pressure suit and

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crank that thing up and uh see how long

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before they died right yeah just to see

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how long before they die to see you know

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how they would die and such and here's

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yeah they had the guys watch it because

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i hate to say it's already done yeah it

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was already done and there was valuable

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data in there but it was kind of a

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hideous thing obviously you know one

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thing i i had as well is i'm not sure

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united states and their rocket program

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started using monkeys

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got to understand the u.s manned space

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program was all in the hands of the

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united states air force with some navy

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cooperation but it primarily the united

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states air force aviation medicine

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division until october of 1958 when nasa

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was stood up and took over the mercury

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anything that was done prior to october

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1958 was u.s air force but i i believe

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they started i i think they started

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doing the monkey stuff

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either right before nasa took over but

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definitely when nasa took over so we're

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you know what i was thinking is what if

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they started using monkeys much much

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earlier than they publicly acknowledged

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in rocket tests and what if

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what crash at roswell was you know a

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rocket test with a monkey and that's

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where the stories of the bodies come

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from that's what

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three foot tall could be could be

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balloons could be a lot of different

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monkeys and if they got before if they

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went down in a fiery rocket crash

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and were burnt you know or

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air could yeah off of them they could

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have looked like some kind of sure and

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when you consider that these monkeys are

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smaller

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than we are that would explain you know

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oh they were small um but uh you know

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whatever the case yeah i reiterate i in

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no way think roswell was an e.t event

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whatsoever

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well you're breaking my roswell bubble

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uh well i should say breaking my roswell

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balloon

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but

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listen i don't care what the truth is i

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i just want to know

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sure if it was aliens great i'd be i'd

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be so happy to find out that it was

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really aliens it would be so cool

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you know tell us we are not alone in the

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universe and the philosophical

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implications and the religious

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implications and the scientific

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implications of just knowing there's

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other intelligent life out there capable

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of traveling the stars would be amazing

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but i want to know the truth if that's

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all horseshit okay it's horseshit what

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was it i don't believe it was just a

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mogul balloon it's just there's too much

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there's too many people telling stories

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about aliens and

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crazy well remember i think my

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qualification is i think the mac brazil

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major marcel stuff

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was a mogul balloon um i think other

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things got out about what i think was

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there were two events when and and they

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logically speaking they

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one might have caused the other there

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might have been a causal connection

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there and i i think that um

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i think the the popular story

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was the balloon stuff i think the part

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we're not being told you know how um

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people who research it randall cowell

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and everyone you find out that okay

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there's a story about a crash that

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wasn't in roswell but it was in new

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mexico and you know i think what's

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happening is whatever the nugget is

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right i think there's a crash with i

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think there is a

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spacecraft crash and i think bodies were

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recovered but i think whatever the

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nugget of truth is to that over the

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years it got conflated to where it's

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like multiple stories or are possible

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separated from the mac brazil major

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marcel version of those events

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yeah i always found it interesting that

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these the second crash site sort of got

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tacked on to the original story the

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original story was a crash

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later researchers started digging deeper

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and claiming that there was a second

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crash site some of them even said that

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the second crash site had an almost

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intact craft with alien bodies which is

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a crazy part of the story but it's

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interesting to see how these things get

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weaved in and out and and together and

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and maybe you're right there's multiple

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stories here that are being conflated as

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one

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yeah

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and uh

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you know your theory would also explain

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the debris switch controversy because

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let's say for example it was a rocket

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test

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they would not want everybody to know

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that they were doing these rocket space

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tests so they would switch out the

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material and and show that was the

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weather

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i don't think the craft was you know

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necessarily i don't think they just took

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a v2 rocket rigged it up for you know a

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human crew and then just shot a rocket i

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think this might have been a a craft

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that

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was similar to the kinds of things they

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were doing in the early development that

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led to the space shuttle like you know

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that i can't remember off the top of my

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head that one craft that's a one pilot

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thing that it's got it's small it's

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silver it's got those little stubby

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wings and and it looks almost kind of

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like a uh

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in the x-15 family that kind of thing it

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could very well have been something like

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that not exactly i was i was going to

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ask you what do you think if maybe it

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was one of the flying wings or

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reconstruction of one or something

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it could have been something along those

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lines um not i don't think it was a

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traditional rocket looking craft i i

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think they were already you know

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they were thinking the space shuttle is

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not something that they just came up

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with in the 70s the space shuttle was a

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concept they had been working on from

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the beginning the idea of the space

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plane

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and that's what the shuttle was the

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first working stage of the space plane

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and so this would have been something i

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think

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along those lines which would explain

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um you know the stories we hear about it

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being kind of a triangular or manta ray

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yeah i was going to say that many of the

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descriptions of the craft said that i i

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asked freeman about this and stan

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friedman said no no it was it was a

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saucer-shaped craft but many many other

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people said no

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it was a manta shaped craft sort of like

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a very futuristic

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flying wing design and if we look at

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this horton brothers jet flying wing

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right

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that's pretty dead on a manta shaped

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craft or incl dead on it could be

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mistaken as a flying saucer easily

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i mean you know sure got that sort of

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profile and here's some other flying

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wing designs but this all originated

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with the nazis

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horton brothers flying wing and did we

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recover two of them right they were in

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pieces but we recovered two of them at

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the end of world war ii i think we

430
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recovered two of them and if um i'm not

431
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mistaken did i did the horton brothers

432
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they showed up in south america or did

433
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they never yeah no they went to south

434
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america which a lot of people say

435
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explains all the south america ufo there

436
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was a ufo flap after world war ii of

437
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many people citing flying saucers in in

438
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argentina and a lot of people think it

439
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might have been yeah and here's we see

440
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they got it in pieces so here's pieces

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of the craft

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they got it in pieces and uh

443
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you know i i have long thought that

444
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maybe we got these prototypes in pieces

445
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pulled them all apart and built our own

446
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and that could very well explain

447
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look at that dead on that could look

448
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,039
like a flying saucer dead on right it

449
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could it could yeah certainly because

450
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think about the the the common airplanes

451
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or jet aircraft that when you look at

452
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them at different angles you could see

453
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why you know in a split second you know

454
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just a couple of seconds looking at

455
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something people might confuse it for a

456
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traditional flying saucer so yeah sure

457
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here's some other here's some other

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i'm trying to remember which um if it

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was schreiber or

460
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if it was walter schreiber or if it was

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hubertus stroghold one of them

462
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when the truth came out about the kind

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of heinous things that they had done you

464
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,679
know under nazi germany and it got out

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in the american press in the 50s a lot

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of a lot of people don't hear this part

467
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of the story but it got out in the

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american press and it embarrassed the

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air force the air force was when the

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upper command you know really found out

471
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the details it's like these guys did

472
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what you know there was one of them it

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was either schreiber or struggled i'd

474
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have to look in my book um who

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when they when the u.s said we're done

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with you

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anymore you're leaving the country the

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arrangement they made

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was to get him to south america and i

480
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found that interesting they didn't

481
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return him to post-war germany

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they arranged to have him go to south

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america

484
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yeah that's interesting and

485
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you know i find that whole exodus of the

486
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nazis into argentina like to this people

487
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don't know this but to this day in

488
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argentina there's like a town full of

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german people and they're all nazi

490
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descendants they're all descendants of

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the nazis that fled world war ii

492
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and somehow ended up in argentina i

493
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believe the dictator was very he was

494
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like a fan of hitler and and like well

495
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juan peron oh my gosh yeah if vida's

496
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husband was you know a friend of the

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nazi

498
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yeah so he would be okay

499
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apparently he would

500
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colonia dignidad

501
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apparently he was perfectly okay with

502
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offering them a safe haven away from the

503
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allied powers and san carlos de

504
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bariloche in

505
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chile was long it was established in the

506
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19th century as a german um community

507
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and that's why it naturally became a

508
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safe haven for the nazis in the 20th

509
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century because you know they've been

510
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yeah and it's

511
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that whole thing about you know i'd also

512
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like to believe in nazi flying saucers

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too

514
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i know

515
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pharrell's books has got a lot of that

516
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,240
stuff in there but we sort of picked

517
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he's he's opposed to the uh the hanabu

518
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and the nazi saucer he does not believe

519
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and he stated it numerous times he he

520
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does not believe that they this this

521
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hanabu thing can be traced back to a

522
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post-war

523
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um italian um uh

524
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rag paper pro fascist yeah journalist

525
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,400
guys so to speak

526
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,200
and it was it was nazi survival myth

527
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,679
type crap and i you don't know how many

528
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,520
times i get into these people want to

529
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,200
argue they talk about what about the

530
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,440
blueprints and it's like that's it's all

531
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,600
bs that's been fabricated

532
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,520
since after the war the flying saucer

533
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,520
thing what what what joseph farrell's

534
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,000
into is the idea of you know this thing

535
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,360
called the bell which is a rudimentary

536
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,280
technology that they were trying to

537
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,559
develop that we probably got a hold of

538
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,400
and you know we took it from there but

539
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,720
the haunted thing no i i don't think

540
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,480
there's any credibility to that at all

541
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,480
it's yeah and by the way people spun up

542
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,880
over there about the blueprints i was so

543
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,360
curious and wanted to know for sure uh

544
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:35,280
that i had a friend of a friend of a

545
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,080
friend

546
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,400
long story short who

547
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,440
like designed aircraft small aircraft

548
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,159
but designed aircraft so i thought this

549
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,400
is a good chance so i sent him i emailed

550
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,320
them to him and i said would this work

551
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,720
would this thing fly and he sent me back

552
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,159
a message basically saying like there's

553
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,240
no details about the propulsion system

554
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,840
and these plans it's just basic

555
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,080
structural plans of how to build a

556
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,679
saucer-shaped

557
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:00,480
thing

558
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,760
to indicate what the propulsion system

559
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,919
was or how it would work to keep the

560
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,760
thing alive well the true believers

561
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,960
answer that by saying oh it's

562
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,480
anti-gravity

563
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,720
yeah but you've got to keep it

564
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:17,039
you can just show it not just say it

565
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:18,480
anybody can say

566
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,520
yeah

567
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:22,080
it's uh it's magic unicorns that make it

568
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,120
fly

569
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,600
walter bosley and what a dapper picture

570
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,440
look at it he looks so dapper in this

571
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,760
picture which picture

572
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,360
i i don't know it's uh you got like a

573
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:33,520
brown suit coat on and you look kind of

574
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,070
you sent me a couple

575
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,280
i believe i was pissed off um i

576
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,960
i was going to be speaking at an event

577
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,280
and i sent the guy running the event

578
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,720
several photos that he just kept

579
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,240
complaining not good enough not good

580
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,120
enough so my kid number two i call her

581
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:53,200
um she she said

582
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,720
come out in the hall stand in front of

583
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,480
the plane wall and i put your jacket on

584
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:58,880
i'll take a new picture so we took a new

585
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,240
photo and he loved that one and um so i

586
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,919
am kind of pissed in that photo but i

587
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,000
ended up liking it so much that i've

588
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,390
there you go yeah so so

589
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,679
the other thing i wanted to ask you

590
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,159
about then we've covered this honey boo

591
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,320
and uh we did something on victor

592
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,559
schauberger's repulsion engine do you

593
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,480
know much about that because i found

594
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,760
that to be a complete and total

595
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,640
disappointing bust nothing there's

596
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,240
nothing to that story it's the

597
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,640
non-working prototype of like some dude

598
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,720
had an idea you know we slapped this

599
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,960
thing together but nobody's ever even

600
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,880
with the whole device

601
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,559
like how put off studied and he was like

602
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,320
well we're missing a part that's

603
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,799
probably why it won't fly or you know

604
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,039
it's just a big let down when you go to

605
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,720
actually make the thing work was that

606
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,760
just another smoke screen i well i it

607
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,760
could have been used as a smoke screen i

608
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,520
think schallberger was you know serious

609
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:56,640
about his research i think um what it is

610
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,600
is people recognize that the principle

611
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,320
there's something there that if they can

612
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,400
figure out how to translate the

613
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,360
principle into a practical propulsion

614
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,039
system that it might be pretty

615
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,840
interesting it might work you know but

616
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,120
yeah you're right when you look at

617
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,440
schauberger you end up finding out well

618
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,679
you know unless unless you want to go

619
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,760
everything's a conspiracy theory just

620
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,679
like these days the popular thing is

621
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,760
everything's a psyop um which is

622
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,720
ridiculous uh that everything is but um

623
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,480
you know i can't lie though i have that

624
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,799
i have i have one of these honeyboo uh

625
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,799
model kits i've never oh you do i want

626
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:35,039
one it's in a box yeah they're on ebay

627
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,320
you can still get them they're like 20

628
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,919
30 bucks or something really only that

629
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,240
much okay or no maybe more now they're

630
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,240
going up in price because yeah i know i

631
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,240
yeah collector's item now cause it's

632
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,039
cool you know just like

633
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,440
just like the the uh the thing i don't

634
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,679
know no testers came out with a roswell

635
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,159
model but um i don't know who it was

636
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,760
ravel or whatever came out with the bob

637
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,320
lazar sport model you flying saucer i

638
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:00,799
had that i built that and yeah that was

639
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,840
tester's model corporation and it's so

640
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,080
yeah i had a call i had to call their

641
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,159
parent company which is rust-oleum now

642
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,880
the paint company yeah and try to ask

643
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,440
them how much money they paid bob lazar

644
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,440
and their the guy that works at the

645
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,600
company was like why are you asking me

646
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,240
this and i'm like because bob lazar said

647
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,000
he never made any money so i wanted to

648
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,760
know how much you paid him for all those

649
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,679
models you sold and that guy never got

650
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,080
back to me and then we're we're jerk

651
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,000
offs here walter bosley that guy was so

652
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,840
nasty to me you know what i did we put

653
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,679
his po we put his phone number live on

654
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,520
the show and everybody's everybody

655
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,039
started calling i'm asking him how much

656
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,760
money bob lazar made well you know i i

657
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:41,919
displayed a copy of that model on my

658
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,559
desk when i was an osi agent

659
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,039
that's funny

660
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,039
that was on my desk um

661
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,960
but uh yeah the models are cool but

662
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,039
there's nothing to the stories you know

663
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,720
i mean hanabu is

664
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,919
made up

665
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,440
you know

666
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,200
it's like opium though right for

667
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,200
believers in ufos like look you have

668
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,520
this thing and they've already built it

669
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,799
right you know

670
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,400
and then the stories get deeper though

671
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,159
don't they like the nazis were in

672
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,919
contact with aliens that helped them

673
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,279
build this stuff

674
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,120
you know if you go yeah further down the

675
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,279
rabbit hole i don't buy that either you

676
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,480
know and all it takes is some serious

677
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,520
honest

678
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,400
um

679
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,400
and objective you know when i say being

680
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,480
honest being honest with yourself

681
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,480
uh research and just looking at the

682
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,080
stuff and it falls apart pretty quickly

683
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,000
but you're right people people want

684
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,720
something fantastic to believe in and

685
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,240
it's not that there's not fantastic

686
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,159
things people hear what i've been saying

687
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,559
so far in the first what 20 30 minutes

688
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,559
or whatever we've been talking that they

689
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,480
think oh well then therefore this is the

690
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,559
popular thing these days too therefore

691
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,039
you don't believe et's exist i'm like oh

692
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,200
on the contrary i totally think they

693
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,039
exist yeah i mean i think you can

694
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,720
believe that there's life on other

695
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,520
planets and just not believe any bs

696
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,880
well like

697
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,720
i think some have come here and continue

698
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,240
to come here here's what i hear here's

699
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,919
steven here here's the number i give

700
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,080
people they people have heard me say

701
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,799
over the years that i think 90 percent

702
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,120
of legitimate ufo sightings and what i

703
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,480
mean by legitimate are the ones that

704
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,000
just aren't lies because some people

705
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,440
want to be part of the funds so they

706
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,760
make up crap and claim they saw a ufo

707
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,679
i'm talking about the legitimate

708
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,679
sightings that people have reported that

709
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,799
say hey i saw a ufo i think that 90

710
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,720
percent

711
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:27,919
um

712
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,640
william pixley there there was no hanabu

713
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:33,279
program sorry it's all [\h__\h] yeah

714
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,880
there's photos that doesn't mean there

715
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,880
was actual crap yeah those photos come

716
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,720
on those photos and i've actually talked

717
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,640
to just just for the benefit of the

718
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,480
doubt william pixley i've actually

719
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,799
talked to somebody who faked some

720
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,799
honeyboo photos and what he did was he

721
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,760
did a

722
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,320
uh 3d model of the honeyboo craft and

723
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,200
then he took an image from actual world

724
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,919
war ii nazi germany of like

725
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,600
people walking around working on

726
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,799
aircraft and then and then he put his

727
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,520
fake into the photo gray

728
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,159
you know agent whatever

729
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,559
photos can be especially today anybody

730
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:10,880
can manipulate photos you know and

731
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,760
mister mr buzza he also mentioned that

732
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,120
you don't have any proof for your

733
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,720
theories and so these are all just

734
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,240
theories and i don't think they're

735
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,240
saying this is exactly what happened

736
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,000
we're just talking about possibilities

737
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,480
yeah i i oh okay i get it there's

738
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,760
because yeah there's always somebody

739
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,360
that's gonna where's your pro

740
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,960
evidence it's like how many times do i

741
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,880
have to say hypothesis how many times do

742
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:33,120
i have to say i could be wrong before i

743
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,240
don't think he meant it but i don't

744
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,880
think he meant it like nastily

745
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,200
dig deeper and see if you had more i

746
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,960
didn't see anyone say that i'm just

747
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,520
saying i get that you know sometimes i

748
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,600
get the the folks that you know well you

749
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,279
don't have any proof i'm like okay how

750
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,880
many times have to say it's a hypothesis

751
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:51,120
and i think and it's a speculation but

752
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,240
anyway let me

753
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:53,760
going back to what i'm saying about i

754
00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:58,399
think 90 of legitimate ufo reports are

755
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,559
um our classified human technology

756
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,320
okay that leaves

757
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:05,679
that leaves

758
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,320
a 10 margin in which i think et ufos fit

759
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:13,200
in that 10 i don't think et ufos make up

760
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,320
that 10

761
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:16,720
remaining 10 percent okay

762
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,919
but let's say they do let's say et ufos

763
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,000
so people say well gosh darn you're

764
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,679
spoiling our fun walter with numbers

765
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:26,000
like that i'm like no i'm not imagine if

766
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:30,559
there were 500 ufo reports okay

767
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,880
and that means 10 percent would be 50

768
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,120
that could be extraterrestrial and think

769
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,240
about it you only need one to prove the

770
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,320
extra the eth

771
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,279
and i i think within that remaining 10

772
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,200
percent there's a certain percentage

773
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,399
that are et craft so you don't need all

774
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,559
of the reports to be et

775
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,120
you only need one really but i think you

776
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,600
have more than one so i very much think

777
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,520
that et's exist and that they have and

778
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,679
they continue you know to to come to

779
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,760
this planet i just

780
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,399
you know i just think that people a lot

781
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,320
of people are seeing a lot of human

782
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,399
technology too

783
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,039
you know i i have this theory called the

784
00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:15,520
the dark playground hypothesis which is

785
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,110
99.99999 percent of the ufos that people

786
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,360
are seeing are top secret black project

787
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,279
craft

788
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,679
it would um an awful lot and uh the

789
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,000
government has been literally caught

790
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,480
pumping communities full of fake stories

791
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:35,200
about aliens and ufos to cover

792
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,000
their

793
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:38,559
drone projects for example the famous

794
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,840
case uh paul benowitz he was seeing

795
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,399
early drones back in the early 80s

796
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,960
before anybody knew what a drone was the

797
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,799
government was experimenting with them

798
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,799
he was seeing them they sent richard

799
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,440
dodie out to go and muddy the waters and

800
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,600
convince them those were aliens and

801
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,760
flying saucers that he was seeing

802
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,799
right

803
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,480
when it's useful to the government they

804
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,720
use the alien stories to cover their

805
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,440
tracks you're okay you said dodie with

806
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:07,600
benowitz right yeah

807
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,149
sooner than people realize

808
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,000
dodie kind of i guess you'd say came

809
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,080
clean with benowitz he and and bill

810
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,320
moore also and we're telling him hey

811
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,919
this is not you know when it when it

812
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,679
looked like it was causing some serious

813
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,399
problems uh my personal opinion of that

814
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,399
uh scenario is the culprit and that was

815
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,039
the nsa because remember the nsa was

816
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,000
involved here and the nsa was doing some

817
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,399
tech stuff and and i think some of the

818
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,360
phenomena that um

819
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,520
benowitz was experiencing that he was

820
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,760
kind of exaggerating into aliens i i

821
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:45,200
think that was the nsa scrolling with

822
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,399
him i see

823
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:49,600
the nsa as the real the ultimately the

824
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,720
the worst culprit in the benowitz case

825
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:54,000
now

826
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,279
i've had a private conversation with him

827
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,240
once in text like two years ago or

828
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,600
something

829
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,240
when i was in the air force osi

830
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,840
the first time i ever heard about him

831
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,399
was then and this was in 94

832
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:13,519
94 95 and he was presented to me as a

833
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:16,840
cautionary tale you know

834
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,240
um you know so

835
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,399
yeah he's an interesting character in

836
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,120
that he's somehow involved in an awful

837
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:26,880
lot of these stories

838
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,159
yeah and and from serpo to mj 12 to uh

839
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,399
that original that

840
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:37,519
big special and the aviary and all these

841
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,399
things like ufos live and he's been

842
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,640
involved in so much this stuff

843
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,559
and then interestingly both his uncle

844
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,200
and his father also worked on the ufo

845
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,880
file for the us government and these are

846
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,760
things that can be verified so he's got

847
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:54,159
an awful lot of involvement in these

848
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,360
stories

849
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,679
in the mythology and i've often thought

850
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:01,200
that maybe he's some kind of like troll

851
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,640
level maximum that like just gets off on

852
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,320
all these people believe in this stuff

853
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,760
so he puts it out

854
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,399
for there's a there's also the the

855
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:12,320
possibility a smaller possibility but

856
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,360
it's there

857
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,600
that uh at some point he might have been

858
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,279
involved in some type of perception

859
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,519
management disinformation to deflect

860
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,320
exactly yeah you know at a u.s air force

861
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,880
or dod um he's always found it

862
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,559
interesting that he was involved with so

863
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,559
many different stories

864
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,559
you know we have we've got him people

865
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:32,799
nailed him on serpo saying that all that

866
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,919
serpo stories came from his ip address

867
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,320
that he did not do anything to hide very

868
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,200
well in the email metadata and i looked

869
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,440
at it and i believe that the people that

870
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,120
nailed him were absolutely correct i

871
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:46,720
asked him about it he just totally

872
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,350
well you know that's that's a standard

873
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,919
thing in the cia culture lie deny and

874
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,320
counter accuse our politicians do it all

875
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,600
the time now

876
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,080
but lie deny and counter accuse and so

877
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,760
you know one of those three

878
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,600
of all of them lee belman says go off

879
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,679
please dodie is a shill people either

880
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,440
love that guy or hate to hear about him

881
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,799
they could just go he's a cia

882
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,480
disinformation agent

883
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,399
don't listen to anything he says

884
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,279
yeah it's it's you know it's it's

885
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,679
an interesting thing when dodie comes up

886
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,039
but um

887
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,960
you know i i don't know the man well

888
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,120
enough to pass any moral judgment on him

889
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,679
beyond no and here's what i'll say

890
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,600
from from the little bit of talks that

891
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,440
i've had with him i find him to be a

892
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,039
very likable guy

893
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,399
a lot of people come away like

894
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,559
interesting stories to tell and like

895
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,000
he's got legitimately kind of like you

896
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,480
one of the reasons why dodie is like you

897
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,880
you can verify that he really worked for

898
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,440
the air force that he really worked for

899
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,360
secret projects and stuff like the same

900
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,559
thing with you

901
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,799
so i give those sort of people a lot

902
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,320
more weight than these people with fake

903
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,159
educations fake

904
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,399
you know jobs they never held fake

905
00:34:03,029 --> 00:33:59,679
credentials

906
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,039
fake military service they never did

907
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,799
it seems to be pretty common in this

908
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,960
field you know well because the the

909
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,399
people who do it they do it because they

910
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,639
can get away with it for a while and

911
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,639
because of all those people who want to

912
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,720
be true believers and all those people

913
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,960
who want to suck up the hopium and all

914
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,240
those people

915
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,960
want it so much to be true so they're

916
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,720
willing

917
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,599
to listen to uh you know some guy who

918
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,359
says he was this out of the other who

919
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,200
will tell them what they want to hear

920
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,000
and the ones who legitimately

921
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,000
were in that field that are not telling

922
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,440
them what they want to hear oh those

923
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,599
guys suddenly become the dis info agent

924
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,320
so it's it's really in some cases not

925
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,159
everyone you're really dealing with a

926
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,359
bunch of children in some cases um you

927
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,159
know it's funny somebody sent me a blog

928
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,320
a month ago or so where somebody was

929
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,879
claiming that i was a cia disinformation

930
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,760
agent

931
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,839
but then the and and i'm so mad because

932
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,680
i read it and then i didn't screen

933
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,359
capture it and then the whole blog went

934
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,359
down it only had like 20 different posts

935
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,119
but it was about all different

936
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,400
conspiracies uh mostly attacking people

937
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,359
you know well you know what's

938
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,280
frustrating it's fake because of this

939
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,240
and yeah sure frustrating about that is

940
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,160
to be you know accused of that is you

941
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,240
know if you're if you are being a shill

942
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,320
for them you're probably a contractor

943
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,160
for them and if you're a contractor for

944
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,079
them you can make pretty good money and

945
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,400
you know when i tell people sign me up

946
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:26,240
give me a check what do you want me to

947
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,839
tell these people i'll tell give me a

948
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,640
when i get accused of that i say

949
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
you know i wish because i'd be getting a

950
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,560
good paycheck and you know where's my

951
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,400
paycheck

952
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,480
yeah that's what i say and then and then

953
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,480
here's another one that's really funny

954
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,720
uh the guy who plays james bond in the

955
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:46,720
latest james bond films i can't recall

956
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,079
his name off my head daniel craig okay

957
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,359
he visited the offices of the cia and he

958
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,040
gave them like a half hour talk or

959
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,800
something for some reason i mean

960
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,640
probably because the cia just went we

961
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,160
got all this money let's get daniel

962
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,480
craig to come and talk to us exactly

963
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,720
you know but there was a picture of him

964
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:07,119
in a blue suit with glasses a lot like

965
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,240
mine

966
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,200
right

967
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,520
in the cia office and somebody posted

968
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,359
that and said that was me and that was

969
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,560
complete

970
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,560
but i didn't see it first of all i'm not

971
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,520
that good looking nowhere near

972
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,760
that dude he's a movie star and yes the

973
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:23,839
glasses were similar and his hair swept

974
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,480
over like mine sort of but no that was

975
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,240
it's just a ridiculousness that people

976
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,320
get to i it's still on my twitter

977
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,000
somewhere in the picture

978
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,480
next thing you know next thing then

979
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,960
you know they'll be posting a still of

980
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,720
him from the star wars movie in which

981
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,160
you can't see that it's him because he's

982
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,839
a storm trooper and they'll say that's

983
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:43,200
you

984
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:44,240
yeah

985
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,440
you some uh sure some something very

986
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,599
very uh selfish and personal because

987
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:53,119
i've got this new project and we're

988
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,640
going to plug it for the first time that

989
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,640
people on my show are going to see it

990
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,200
okay and and here's what the project is

991
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:01,680
i'm taking some clowns and i'm taking

992
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,920
audio of fake clown people

993
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,920
that are selling disinformation about

994
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,920
the secret space program and i'm putting

995
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,400
their voices to the clowns talking and

996
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:13,680
it's going to be called

997
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,920
it's a series revealing the truth that

998
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,119
some people have actively and

999
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,800
deliberately tried to destroy credible

1000
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,920
ufo alien and secret space research

1001
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,760
and uh we're gonna share

1002
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,680
i have a selfish reason for mentioning

1003
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,160
this while you're here okay we're gonna

1004
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,160
we're gonna plug it and share

1005
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,720
i uh about halfway through the first

1006
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,440
episode where i hope next week if worst

1007
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,119
case scenario two weeks we'll have the

1008
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,680
first episode but here is uh

1009
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,000
the puppets they're gonna be and these

1010
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,880
this is called this one is called davey

1011
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,599
clowncock and this one is called

1012
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,200
clowning no good

1013
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,520
okay okay i can't see these by the way

1014
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,760
okay all right well our audience can see

1015
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,599
them so yeah

1016
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,320
and and so i've got this thing and i

1017
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,800
could use somebody to do a voice like a

1018
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,000
narrator

1019
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,560
i thought of you i thought he could do a

1020
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,160
good job doing that and all you have to

1021
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,160
do is read a script and then i'll

1022
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:14,000
synchronize the puppet to you and you

1023
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,960
could be

1024
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,880
the comic disclosure

1025
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,160
sort of uh announcer you know as long as

1026
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,400
as long as we don't end up in the legal

1027
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,079
sites of you know corey good because

1028
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,320
no no uh here's why

1029
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:31,119
here's why i picked this project walter

1030
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,720
and you're gonna you're gonna appreciate

1031
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,680
this

1032
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,359
uh

1033
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,599
one second you're gonna appreciate why i

1034
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,040
picked this project i think this

1035
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,800
project's gonna be free of any legal

1036
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,720
problems because

1037
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,359
uh neither of those two clowns owns any

1038
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,280
rights to that show that i'm gonna be

1039
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,320
pulling the audio from gaia tv does

1040
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,640
and considering one of those clowns left

1041
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:54,320
on real bad terms and called them

1042
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,200
luciferian satanists and the other clown

1043
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,680
left and sued them i don't think they're

1044
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:01,680
going to mind me doing this i'm going to

1045
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,960
i'm rolling the dice baby gaia don't

1046
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,040
copyright strike me and if they do it's

1047
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,040
a transformative work i'm educating the

1048
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,079
public and i'm an artist walter bosley

1049
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,160
i'm an artist so

1050
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,240
you got to let me do it and and here's

1051
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,240
the first episode it's called comic

1052
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:21,440
disclosure episode one 20 and back while

1053
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,470
that's not just it just rolls off the

1054
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,280
tongue 20 and back while smoking crack

1055
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:31,200
and here's some pictures of the intro i

1056
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,320
know you can't see this but you can

1057
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,240
review it later and our

1058
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,800
and our friends that will be portraying

1059
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,720
the two cosmic clowns so i'm going to

1060
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,880
get with you offline but i'm signing you

1061
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,560
up you've got to be a voice on this

1062
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,680
thing

1063
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,359
i don't know i was trying to think of

1064
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,520
what kind of puppet that will play you

1065
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,640
maybe a professor or something like that

1066
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,800
i think that would be good right

1067
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,720
that could be funny that could be really

1068
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,800
i like the idea that

1069
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,000
that could be yeah and speaking of

1070
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,400
pictures this is i asked walter bosley

1071
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,079
sent me some pictures and you're right

1072
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,599
you were saying that somebody complained

1073
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,440
before about the pictures you sent him

1074
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:07,359
look at this high quality shot he sends

1075
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:11,280
me like look here's my eye and my nose

1076
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,560
you just use that picture right stylish

1077
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,960
man it's stylish it's all cropped out it

1078
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,000
could be

1079
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,680
and it looks a little creepy i don't

1080
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:21,200
know walter by the way i'm not sure i

1081
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,880
like that one very much

1082
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,240
we'll put the other one that i like

1083
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,640
better back up so and yeah there's some

1084
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,160
way i'll get with you next time where

1085
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,400
you can hit edit avatar

1086
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,440
on your side and then upload a picture

1087
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,599
and then instead of a blank thing on our

1088
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,760
side here we'll see a picture of you

1089
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,560
uh

1090
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,480
you know on the screen but that's okay

1091
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,319
well well i think i sent you multiple

1092
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,800
ones yeah but i can't do it i can't edit

1093
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,480
your avatar from my end you'd have to do

1094
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,160
it on your side but it's okay we'll just

1095
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,000
put we'll just put a picture of your

1096
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,079
handsome mug right next to us and

1097
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,240
that'll suffice for anybody that's like

1098
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,440
who's this guy right who's this guy

1099
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,000
so uh listen also i had another selfish

1100
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,520
question and this is personal enough you

1101
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,200
don't want to get into it i understand

1102
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,720
but many people have asked me are

1103
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:09,599
wondering uh how is your health right

1104
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:13,280
now oh thank you for asking um well in

1105
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,040
early december i i had the post chemo

1106
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,880
checkup and they told me that i was all

1107
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,760
clear and well that is some good news

1108
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,720
that's very good news um i have to for

1109
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,800
five years be monitored

1110
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,880
now for the first three like every 90

1111
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,640
days i have to get my blood drawn and if

1112
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,400
that's i'm still all clear after those

1113
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,920
three years then it goes to every six

1114
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:35,520
months for the next two

1115
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,359
um so you know so far so good um but

1116
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,440
yeah they say i'm all clear and i'm in

1117
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,119
the middle of the long

1118
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,920
the long march back to getting my

1119
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,000
strength back and uh because you know

1120
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,079
they had me laying in bed for

1121
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,000
you know doing nothing for over six

1122
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,839
months so yeah i did that when i had a

1123
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,640
brain aneurysm i was in the icu and yeah

1124
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,640
hospital for like you know how

1125
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:00,400
different it was terrible like and i had

1126
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,760
this crazy nurse that kept putting these

1127
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,839
things on my legs to prevent blood clots

1128
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,440
and you're supposed to sleep while this

1129
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,079
machine is like exactly massaging your

1130
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,319
legs annoyingly and making all this

1131
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,720
noise it was crazy

1132
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,880
but no thanks for asking it that's all

1133
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,480
good well a lot of people wanted to know

1134
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,839
and i didn't know how to approach it but

1135
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,599
i thought you wouldn't mind sharing with

1136
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,000
uh our friends here that you're doing

1137
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,079
well and i'm glad i'm so glad

1138
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,400
so it's it's okay to get openly pissed

1139
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,839
off at me again

1140
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,480
i noticed that during last year oh yeah

1141
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,040
you get the cancer you get the cancer

1142
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,880
pass even people you know that don't

1143
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,720
like you like what you do they're nice

1144
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,079
you know they're like they leave you

1145
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,720
alone for that time so i'm back in the

1146
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,640
crosshairs for you guys so that's okay

1147
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,760
hey by the way i don't like to just say

1148
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,079
um you know like when i responded to to

1149
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,000
williams and i didn't mean to be i hope

1150
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,319
i wasn't choppy at you william pixley no

1151
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,319
he was just asking a question

1152
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,520
i don't like to just be one of those

1153
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,680
guys that said ah that's that was some

1154
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:59,520
guy blah blah blah so i looked it up and

1155
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,560
we're talking about ernst zundel

1156
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:04,480
z-u-n-d-e-l

1157
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,280
okay

1158
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,160
and he was a holocaust denier and and

1159
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:10,240
you know and all this crazy stuff and

1160
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,240
really that's where um uh that's where

1161
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:17,440
it started picking up steam was with his

1162
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,319
stuff

1163
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,599
um but uh uh there was also the guy in

1164
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,319
the italian you know essentially

1165
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,760
rag um you know uh what's that tabloid

1166
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,079
type you know stuff that started the

1167
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,680
idea and um ernst zundel went with it

1168
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,560
but zumdel is the guy who really kind of

1169
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,200
started the popularization

1170
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,480
of this

1171
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,359
this fantasy that the nazis had these uh

1172
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,760
flying saucers and that they had contact

1173
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,160
with alien races and you know he even

1174
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,920
got into the hollow earth stuff and all

1175
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,960
that so ernst zundel

1176
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,440
is a place to start if you're if you're

1177
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,280
looking to um

1178
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,359
you know see what the

1179
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,319
truth is yeah and i just i just i just

1180
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,319
smack down somebody else who was using a

1181
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,880
holocaust denying white supremacist

1182
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:09,680
convicted felon as a source of a story

1183
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,400
so

1184
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,480
you know i don't think uh you know look

1185
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,960
at this ufo the secret weapons a lot of

1186
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,319
these

1187
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,400
sort of they were almost like a lot of

1188
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,480
fans of nazi germany that were upset

1189
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,200
that nazi germany lost right yeah

1190
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,200
fit you know a next right right the

1191
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,880
fourth rank

1192
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,119
like they were gonna resurge after a

1193
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:32,000
certain amount of time

1194
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,040
you know

1195
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,400
any i feel like that i think that

1196
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,680
anytime

1197
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,160
anything nazi the nazis or whatever

1198
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,400
post-war nazis or whatever

1199
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,480
the german thread has appeared in my

1200
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,640
research is because it was a threat i

1201
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:48,960
was pulling and there they are you know

1202
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,319
i haven't written a lot about you know

1203
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,560
these guys um yeah it's interesting that

1204
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,359
a guy that's a complete a really proven

1205
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,079
anti-semite terrible anti-semite would

1206
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,760
write a book ufo's nazi secret weapon

1207
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,359
you know it's like he almost wants them

1208
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,880
to have secret weapons so they could

1209
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,880
finish the job almost it's really

1210
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,560
sickening

1211
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,240
you know

1212
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,599
yeah and as soon as i hear that

1213
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,280
somebody's like a holocaust deny or

1214
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,680
worry any semi like i just

1215
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,079
i don't honestly i never understood uh

1216
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,079
people i never understood any semblances

1217
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,920
of myself like i i well i barely

1218
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,920
understand racism but anti-semitism

1219
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,920
especially to me maybe it's just because

1220
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:29,599
everybody jewish i've ever known was a

1221
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,040
good person to me everybody you know

1222
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,800
just like me they were a lot like me i

1223
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,040
knew i grew up catholic but there was a

1224
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,480
couple of jewish families in the

1225
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,160
neighborhood right and i'd go well you

1226
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,720
know i i put uh i put the holocaust

1227
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,599
denial i put that in the same box with

1228
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,520
the flat earth people and the we didn't

1229
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,359
go to the moon people

1230
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,200
i'm sorry i'm not saying that they're

1231
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,200
all you know anti-semites what i'm

1232
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,119
saying is the you know denying the

1233
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:56,640
holocaust to me

1234
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,839
is as jackass as denying we went to the

1235
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:02,480
moon and claiming that the earth is flat

1236
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,560
okay i'm not just a caveat here just so

1237
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,599
i'm not saying flat earthers are oh man

1238
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,119
they're all going to start busting my

1239
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,359
balls now don't say anything about those

1240
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
crazy people every time somebody goes

1241
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,839
talks about how ridiculous that is on my

1242
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,839
show our comments get flooded with these

1243
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,480
crazy people like oh yeah well explain

1244
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,280
this to me then if the earth is round

1245
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,960
you know like

1246
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,400
and i'm like [\h__\h]

1247
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:30,560
you can go up in an airplane and see the

1248
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,150
hot air balloon and see the curvature of

1249
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,680
the earth there was a guy recently i

1250
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,560
heard who said yeah once i once i got

1251
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,880
through sixth grade math or something i

1252
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,200
i knew that the earth definitely was not

1253
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,880
flat you know it's it's so it's it's not

1254
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,560
worth because what they are talk about

1255
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,359
opium um what what they do is they get

1256
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,960
into that circular arguing where you you

1257
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,000
never

1258
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,319
you you nothing you come up with they're

1259
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,839
they're going to recognize even if you

1260
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,680
can't explain it all the way yeah yeah

1261
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,599
the damning evidence well no i don't

1262
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,599
accept that oh okay

1263
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,319
yeah nasa's all fake the iss is fake

1264
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:12,000
that's not real that's not on a movie

1265
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,200
set

1266
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,800
why would they want to convince us that

1267
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,800
the world was ran if it wasn't the van

1268
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,480
allen belts they can't get through the

1269
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,480
van allen belts well guess who got

1270
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,319
through they got through them they got

1271
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,079
through the van allen belts yeah and to

1272
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,920
be clear on the van allen belts uh

1273
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,280
argument like

1274
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,520
they suffered some effects it might not

1275
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,680
have been like instant cancer but they

1276
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,000
suffered some physical long-term effects

1277
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,520
from that radiation exposure but the

1278
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,559
nasa at the time and the astronauts i'm

1279
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,800
sure they briefed them like this this is

1280
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,920
what could happen going through the

1281
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,079
spell they found the level of risk

1282
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,480
acceptable and agreed to go through when

1283
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,480
you look at when you look at the types

1284
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,160
of metals that and materials that are

1285
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,359
best to shield you from

1286
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,559
um van allen belt radiation guess what

1287
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,960
that's what the apollo craft that's the

1288
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,960
materials that was in the apollo craft

1289
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,280
so they were greatly shielded yeah they

1290
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,040
had gold shielding in that thing didn't

1291
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,720
they it was thin but they had gold

1292
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,520
shield yeah it it worked and

1293
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,760
you know um

1294
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,800
so

1295
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,000
but that but they don't want to hear

1296
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,520
that they're like no no no it's all a

1297
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,520
lie it's it's and you know what's funny

1298
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,680
is i i live here in the inland empire i

1299
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,280
live in highland a little corner of the

1300
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,720
san bernardino valley called highland

1301
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,960
and redlands is directly to the south of

1302
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,920
me and um the guy who started the we

1303
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,680
didn't go to the moon nonsense is a

1304
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,440
graduate of red of university of

1305
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,440
redlands i just learned that recently

1306
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,160
i'm like go figure that a guy from this

1307
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,839
nutty inland empire would come up with

1308
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,599
that nutty we didn't go to the moon

1309
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,280
theory

1310
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,119
yeah i i

1311
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,599
uh i i just got into it with jay weidner

1312
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,960
who a lot of people aren't aware of it

1313
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,119
he's isn't he like the source of most of

1314
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,790
he promotes a lot of it you know yeah

1315
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,880
and i got a real problem with that one

1316
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,800
because yeah and i got a real problem

1317
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,640
with that one because i actually have

1318
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:05,520
you know

1319
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,480
that's just such a ridiculous conspiracy

1320
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:13,040
theory it's just so ridiculous that you

1321
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,400
know hundreds and hundreds of people

1322
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,160
worked on that project were they all

1323
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,880
lying it doesn't make any sense and why

1324
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,640
you know

1325
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,240
i think that when you look at the

1326
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,200
shining yes kubrick did his own version

1327
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,960
of the shining it's not just the pure

1328
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,720
stephen king you know version from the

1329
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,680
novel yes kubrick put in the little

1330
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,000
things that reference apollo and the

1331
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,160
native americans and and everything but

1332
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,720
i think the statement kubrick was making

1333
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,079
was not

1334
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,880
that he was confessing to faking the

1335
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,119
moon landings i i do not think that's

1336
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,920
what is well somehow weiner connects all

1337
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,640
those dots and

1338
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,599
of course i and i've seen it room 237 is

1339
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,680
a fascinating documentary that i

1340
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,680
recommend to anyone who's interested in

1341
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,160
these kinds of things i don't agree with

1342
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,000
you know a lot of the stuff that's in it

1343
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,960
but uh it's a very good documentary and

1344
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,440
some of the wider materials in there and

1345
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,440
i've met jay and

1346
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,000
you know he was at the 2015 secret space

1347
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,760
program conference which was the

1348
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,319
beginning of corey goode's impositioning

1349
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,599
of himself

1350
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,359
into that community

1351
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,319
um and you know jay's a nice guy

1352
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,720
yeah listen he's a nice enough guy but i

1353
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,520
get into it with him sometimes sure

1354
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,040
i don't know if it's a good idea me and

1355
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,480
him being friends on facebook because

1356
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,920
i'll say something on facebook and then

1357
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,839
he starts to tell me how wrong i am he

1358
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,839
believes in he also believes in this

1359
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,079
that these are alien mummies even though

1360
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,160
it's been proven that these were made

1361
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,760
out of plaster and you know stolen bones

1362
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,319
out of somebody stole human bones and

1363
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,839
glued them all together and then they

1364
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:50,079
covered it all in plaster and he's like

1365
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,319
no it's real i saw it and and then

1366
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,240
yeah and my argument to him is like come

1367
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,480
on bro uh you know better than real

1368
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,960
pathologists and doctors about whether

1369
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,800
that was a real

1370
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
a real

1371
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,079
you know

1372
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,400
body or whether it was glued together

1373
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,680
from a bunch of

1374
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,400
bones and who and also who does that

1375
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,079
let's glue together a bunch of different

1376
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:16,079
human bones that's so

1377
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,880
like

1378
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,440
a terrible thing to do you know it's so

1379
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,000
disrespectful to all those dead people

1380
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,800
to like use their bones to try to fool

1381
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,559
people into believing that an alien is

1382
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,880
well it's like that other so-called uh

1383
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,119
alien mummy that ended up being egg on

1384
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,920
the faces of uh jaime massan and richard

1385
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,760
yeah oh by the way jaime massan's

1386
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:38,480
involved in this one too he's every fake

1387
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,160
alien [\h__\h] story and uh has also

1388
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,559
done the marmoset monkey

1389
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,119
that he claimed was an alien so he's got

1390
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,880
he's got the roswell slides he's got

1391
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:51,440
this fake alien and he's got the fake

1392
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,640
marmoset mummy that turned out to be

1393
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:56,960
you know a marmoset monkey and like a

1394
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,400
real uh zoologist looked at it and said

1395
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:02,800
that's a marmoset monkey that's not an

1396
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,559
alien but he's still you know

1397
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,119
he still claims no no that wasn't a that

1398
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,119
wasn't a marseille monkey that was an

1399
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,599
alien you know

1400
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,680
and it's one thing to take a a monkey

1401
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:17,920
body and and try to scan people with it

1402
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,800
but to take human bones to me is just

1403
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,880
just that's just too much it's too

1404
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,400
difficult well you know the people that

1405
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:26,960
the people that um are chasing either

1406
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,079
ufo fame or or the ufo dollar which is

1407
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,000
mostly mythical i don't think anybody's

1408
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,319
making gazillions of dollars you know

1409
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,119
off of the ufo dollar but people that

1410
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,000
you know want that attention and and or

1411
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,079
or they have been out there long enough

1412
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,720
that they gotta they gotta have some

1413
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,880
latest scheme going on

1414
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,760
um that they'll sometimes that drives

1415
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,760
people to do more desperate take more

1416
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,520
desperate measures to keep that

1417
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,839
attention to you know to keep that

1418
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,160
spotlight and this is what drives some

1419
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,640
people to do things yeah i was having i

1420
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:02,319
was having trouble finding it but here

1421
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,440
is what

1422
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,760
i mean i was saying was an alien turns

1423
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:07,440
out to be

1424
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:12,829
that is

1425
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,000
crazy yeah the length that these guys

1426
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:17,760
will go to to try to fake stuff it's

1427
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,240
just to me it's just too much you know

1428
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,440
especially if you've been caught

1429
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,040
multiple times why does anybody even

1430
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,640
believe these guys anymore after they've

1431
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,720
been caught hoaxing stuff multiple

1432
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,720
multiple times because there's always a

1433
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,280
a new crop of people new to this stuff

1434
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,359
that are yeah they forgot the history of

1435
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,960
the frame of mind

1436
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,480
yeah they forget the history of this

1437
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,319
stuff or they don't they or they didn't

1438
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,680
know that they don't know the history to

1439
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,160
begin with take a look at the ttsa

1440
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,440
fanboy culture good lord

1441
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,599
new york times this is the first time

1442
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,599
the media in the new york times has ever

1443
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,920
talked about oh bs

1444
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:53,920
one of them i got into it with over that

1445
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,599
specific issue and it took me literally

1446
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,760
about maybe 40 minutes

1447
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,599
45 minutes to find

1448
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,599
i think it was seven or eight new york

1449
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,920
times articles that had been published

1450
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,000
uh dating back to the early 60s and

1451
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,800
through the 70s all with the same

1452
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,440
non-mocking tone about ufos

1453
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,440
and to prove that new york times has

1454
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,200
talked about this before without mocking

1455
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,680
it this is nothing new but this bozo

1456
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,160
didn't know the history of you know the

1457
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,400
ufos and media and ufology and all that

1458
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:26,160
stuff and a lot i found that a lot of

1459
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,839
the ttsa cheerleaders um they they are

1460
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,680
completely ignorant of what's already

1461
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,319
come before and that includes

1462
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,240
you know the scam artist this is why

1463
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,319
some of us you know old dogs us gray

1464
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,440
hairs when we saw this ttsa thing emerge

1465
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,040
and some of the names involved we were

1466
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,280
like oh please give us yeah as soon as i

1467
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,200
saw how put off was involved they went

1468
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,040
oh that means it's [\h__\h] because

1469
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,280
he'll put off i'm sorry that dude he

1470
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:53,359
might be a doctor he might really be a

1471
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,400
physicist

1472
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,440
but he has been on like he is a half a

1473
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,839
con man because his whole life he's been

1474
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,520
trying to collect money so that he could

1475
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,119
do his so-called research he's never

1476
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,200
produced anything meaningful

1477
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,760
despite all of the donations that he's

1478
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,400
collected over the years and government

1479
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,240
money that he's collected over the years

1480
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,559
to work on things like you know psychic

1481
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,880
spies and he declared that

1482
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,200
yuri geller was real and you're a geller

1483
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,960
later came out and said no i was just

1484
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,760
using magic tricks

1485
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,079
love how put off but jesus christ you

1486
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:28,960
know and also you know one of the things

1487
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,440
about ttsa that i find most disturbing

1488
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,040
is that

1489
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,200
tom delong stood up three years ago now

1490
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:37,040
mr bosley yes i want to know what you

1491
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,319
think about this

1492
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,720
three years ago he stood up on a stage

1493
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,680
had this big press conference yes right

1494
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,240
and then he said

1495
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,319
invest in our company this is a great

1496
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,160
opportunity for you because we're gonna

1497
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,240
build a spaceship and they showed a

1498
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,960
mock-up of a spaceship yep and i i just

1499
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,119
want to know it's been three years time

1500
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,839
to loan where's the [\h__\h] spaceship at

1501
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,680
why don't we get to see the spaceship

1502
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,280
you've collected hundreds of thousands

1503
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,119
of dollars and you said

1504
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,359
i didn't say it walter bosley that i was

1505
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:09,280
going to build with spaceships

1506
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,480
he said he was going to build a

1507
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,240
spaceship so i'm going to petition i'm

1508
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,680
going to send an email as soon as we get

1509
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,280
off the show tonight and i'm going to

1510
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,599
tell them that mr walter bosley and me

1511
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,920
want to take a ride in his spaceship

1512
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,680
we'll see what happens

1513
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,760
oh that'd be cool if he's got one yeah

1514
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,760
hey you know it look let's let's give

1515
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,920
them something more manageable to do

1516
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,559
okay also you heard their fans and

1517
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,400
people all in the in the excitement

1518
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,079
about ttsa

1519
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:35,440
and you heard

1520
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,640
um i

1521
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,880
well what dolan said was you're on the

1522
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,480
wrong side of history if you don't go

1523
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,079
along with this but some people were

1524
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,520
talking about how the game has changed

1525
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,200
this changes the game this changes the

1526
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,440
game this changes the game the game has

1527
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,280
still not changed

1528
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,400
it hasn't changed one bit and listen

1529
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,119
uh just to clarify v is asking when did

1530
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,960
yuri geller say magic tricks i thought

1531
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:58,720
he never changed his story

1532
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,160
no the he uh worked at magic conferences

1533
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,079
for the society both the society of

1534
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,920
american magicians and the international

1535
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,240
brotherhood magicians teaching people

1536
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,079
teaching other magicians the tricks he

1537
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,960
used on national television to do almost

1538
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,359
all of his tricks and he sold a very

1539
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,960
expensive course to other magicians

1540
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,720
where you too could learn to bend spoons

1541
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,640
with your mind and all this other stuff

1542
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,720
yeah he showed all the tricks that he

1543
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,960
used which are basically off-the-shelf

1544
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,040
magic tricks disguised a little bit to

1545
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,359
be psychic instead of magic

1546
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,760
yeah sure

1547
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,920
and i i couldn't believe that when that

1548
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,440
happened because i had followed him

1549
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,359
since i was a kid and i kind of did when

1550
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,720
i was a kid i wanted to believe he could

1551
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,280
really do that stuff sure but then james

1552
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,520
randy comes along and reproduces almost

1553
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,680
everything that he did and that

1554
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,799
you know

1555
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,079
yeah

1556
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,799
and so back to roswell i got to play the

1557
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,280
devil's ad advocate and i have to ask

1558
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,200
you this because this is where i think

1559
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,960
we're going to disagree a little bit

1560
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:59,440
okay i i'm fascinated by this book

1561
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,559
children of roswell uh and that's by don

1562
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,040
schmidt and tom carrey and there's a lot

1563
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:06,880
of there's a lot of stories in there

1564
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,640
about first-hand roswell witnesses who

1565
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,240
told their children

1566
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,559
this was aliens this was not made on

1567
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:16,720
earth i saw the bodies

1568
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,839
i flew the bodies to wright patterson or

1569
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,000
whatever and then these people's

1570
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,319
backgrounds in the book were verified by

1571
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,079
don schmidt and tom carrey as actually

1572
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:28,079
having been at roswell stationed there

1573
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:29,440
worked there

1574
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,040
and it's to me some of this testimony is

1575
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,839
extremely compelling

1576
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:37,760
how if you don't believe in the alien

1577
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,960
hypothesis then mr bodily how do you

1578
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,359
how do you explain those testimonies of

1579
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,520
people talking about alien bodies well

1580
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,960
in technology

1581
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,200
i haven't written

1582
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,799
sorry the audio was breaking up a little

1583
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:53,200
bit i haven't read the book

1584
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:56,319
um i think i my first the first time i

1585
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,359
heard mention of it was when you

1586
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,720
mentioned it to kevin randle last week

1587
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:01,599
um

1588
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,880
look

1589
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,559
short of reading the book

1590
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,400
and and i will look for this book and i

1591
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:08,160
will read it now but short of reading

1592
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,119
the book

1593
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:10,720
my best

1594
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,599
guess

1595
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,920
would be that hey i hate to say it

1596
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,920
probably some or a lot of those people

1597
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:17,119
are just

1598
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,480
they're they're first mistaken

1599
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:22,960
or they heard a story

1600
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:26,240
or in some cases they're lying

1601
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,359
um

1602
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,240
so you know take your well i'm gonna go

1603
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,920
one step further then

1604
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,480
you were in the military right

1605
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,640
yes do you know many generals did you

1606
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,240
ever get to interact with many generals

1607
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,760
while you're in the military the general

1608
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,680
i interacted with the two generals i

1609
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:43,440
interacted with most

1610
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,160
was the commander of air force osi

1611
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,240
francis xavier taylor

1612
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,559
who went on to become the um

1613
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,160
the uh

1614
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,079
the ambassador at large for

1615
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,240
counterterrorism in the barack obama

1616
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,839
administration or the george bush

1617
01:00:02,710 --> 00:59:59,680
administration i think

1618
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:02,720
and uh francis general taylor

1619
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,559
i interacted with him uh in person twice

1620
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,280
in a six-year career once while deployed

1621
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,760
in saudi arabia and once when he

1622
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,480
personally gave me my decoration for

1623
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,599
having

1624
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,599
been to saudi arabia later at

1625
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,599
wright-patterson i have a photo of me

1626
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,839
with him by the way which i'll send you

1627
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,520
and the other general

1628
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,760
was general uh and you'll snicker at

1629
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,559
this name but general daniel dick

1630
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:29,839
that's his name

1631
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:34,079
he was commander of the uh 4404th wing

1632
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,359
at uh prince sultan air base in uh in

1633
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,400
outside of riyadh in al carg saudi

1634
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,760
arabia and i was the counterintelligence

1635
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,599
agent during my six months there that

1636
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,599
would go in and give the command staff

1637
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,280
briefings

1638
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,760
on counterterrorism intelligence and

1639
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,160
general dick was at these briefings

1640
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,079
probably like 70 percent of the time and

1641
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:00,160
if he wasn't his second in command was

1642
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:03,040
so you know i i would encounter

1643
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:10,789
i would encounter the general uh at

1644
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,240
least once a week if not more often um

1645
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,400
during that six months okay but my my

1646
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:18,079
whole point was you know there have been

1647
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,839
really high-ranking

1648
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:21,920
military people who came out and said

1649
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,000
this was not made on this earth you know

1650
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:27,599
this was well that's what we're on

1651
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,799
spacecraft that's what we're told

1652
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,720
who says that you have to consider the

1653
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,400
source you got it well kevin randall has

1654
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:36,240
interviewed some of them that said that

1655
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,280
or

1656
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,119
you know don't get me wrong

1657
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:41,760
so we have we have major jesse marcel

1658
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:45,359
right that's pretty high rank gen major

1659
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:46,720
major

1660
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,839
my point my point i suppose was

1661
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,760
that i want to know like you know a lot

1662
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,839
of high-ranking military people in your

1663
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,079
career how many of them make up stories

1664
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,720
about aliens and flying saucers

1665
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:00,240
no they don't and

1666
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,559
no nonsense people so the fact that

1667
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,640
people claim that these high-ranking

1668
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,160
military people just made up these

1669
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,160
stories remember what i said like an

1670
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:11,200
hour ago i totally think et has come to

1671
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,400
this planet

1672
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,480
and i totally think you know if if

1673
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,799
generals have told anyone this these are

1674
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,319
generals if you look at their career if

1675
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,400
they're telling the truth and this this

1676
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,640
really happened these conversations

1677
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,160
and and i have no reason to doubt you

1678
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:26,799
know kevin randle on this um

1679
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,839
is well then they had a job where they

1680
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,079
know this information and i don't doubt

1681
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,160
that et's have been to this planet what

1682
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,559
i do is i look at specific instances i

1683
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:37,920
just don't think it's true in the case

1684
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,799
of roswell but i certainly have no

1685
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,400
trouble with

1686
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:44,480
you know

1687
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,319
said it this he was a real guy he was

1688
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,480
here and there so i have no problem with

1689
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:52,640
that

1690
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:57,039
some of these high-ranking military

1691
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,880
because my father was in the military mr

1692
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,160
bosley and he

1693
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,520
he had no tolerance for [\h__\h] do you

1694
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,440
know what i mean like he's a military

1695
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,920
real straight lace short haircut like

1696
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,960
you know

1697
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,039
it just

1698
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,119
when when a high-ranking military guy

1699
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,119
says these things to me it holds a lot

1700
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,119
more value

1701
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:18,160
right

1702
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,520
yeah and then a colonel thomas dubose

1703
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:23,200
was also in the room when they took

1704
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,079
those famous pictures of the debris

1705
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,599
and he testified that there was a

1706
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,520
material switch that the materials that

1707
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,599
they took the pictures with were not the

1708
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,599
same materials that they picked up on

1709
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,039
the ranch

1710
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:38,000
so well but i i tend to lean towards if

1711
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,960
if

1712
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,720
i don't know my understanding

1713
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,720
of what kevin randle has presented is

1714
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,319
there's question about whether there was

1715
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,720
a really a material switch or not

1716
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:48,480
there's there's some doubt about that

1717
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,359
right

1718
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,240
yeah he he was unsure as well like he

1719
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,760
was kind of like

1720
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:55,200
optional

1721
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,559
there's some doubt about whether there

1722
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,559
was really a material switch

1723
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,559
between other material and what was in

1724
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:02,799
those photos it was this general colonel

1725
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:05,520
dubose later uh basically said that he

1726
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,039
believed it was extraterrestrial

1727
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:09,200
spacecraft that they found and that they

1728
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:10,960
switched that for this weather balloon

1729
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:14,400
material and to me again it's a kernel

1730
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,240
you know

1731
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,640
we get to the raimi memo

1732
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,119
yeah a lot of this stuff is is really

1733
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:24,160
intriguing to me but you have to you

1734
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,599
have to

1735
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:26,880
unpack it

1736
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:31,119
who says colonel dubose said that

1737
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,319
yeah in other words

1738
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:34,000
yeah there are sources that said he said

1739
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,680
that and then there's cow court who says

1740
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,520
no that's not what he said

1741
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:39,440
exactly or that the conversation was not

1742
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,839
recorded he was quoted out of context so

1743
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,760
this is this is the rabbit hole that

1744
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,839
infuriates me

1745
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,839
he did say this and then and then

1746
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,520
another researcher will say no no that's

1747
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,760
not actually correct and here's why you

1748
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:52,799
know

1749
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,039
military guys when when somebody writes

1750
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:59,039
in a book that oh so-and-so says that

1751
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,799
this is what that guy said i have to go

1752
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,520
well okay i'm already removed from you

1753
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,520
know this statement by how many degrees

1754
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:07,760
right and you know i wasn't there to

1755
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:10,400
hear colonel dubose say it so i have to

1756
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,440
trust the the the person who was there

1757
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,440
who allegedly heard colonel dubose say

1758
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,240
it or i have to trust that person and

1759
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,640
the person he or she told who's now

1760
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:22,960
telling me and on and so forth and the

1761
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:26,000
problem is the game telephone

1762
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,280
you know where

1763
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,760
the both sets oh in fact i have a real

1764
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:32,000
world example on this okay

1765
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:38,630
i'm sorry go ahead

1766
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,119
um i remember when he was talking when

1767
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,079
we were in saudi arabia and he would

1768
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,160
complain he'd say you know one thing i'm

1769
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:47,839
getting tired of you guys just so you

1770
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,480
know is i will make a casual comment

1771
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,720
about hey you know i wonder about such

1772
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:55,920
and such and he goes within within 30

1773
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,960
days i've heard that somebody below me

1774
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,200
has translated that into the general

1775
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,680
wants you to do this and then they send

1776
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:06,000
it out into the field and then

1777
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,599
it's interpreted as the general wants

1778
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:09,119
you to do that he goes by the time it

1779
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,359
gets back to me i'm like what the hell

1780
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,960
people what is it yeah what does he want

1781
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,960
me to do and this leads to another

1782
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:17,039
question and i want to thank this this

1783
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,799
these slides i'm using is from something

1784
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,480
called copy of the roswell intelligence

1785
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,400
report and remember i can't see what

1786
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,000
you're sure this is from i'll read it to

1787
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,400
you so this is from uh alien scientist i

1788
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,599
want to thank him for sharing this with

1789
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,119
me because it's really helpful to try to

1790
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,200
break down the sequence of events and

1791
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,960
things now one of the things i want to

1792
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,119
ask you about is is it a coincidence

1793
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,039
that right after roswell happened the

1794
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:40,240
national security act of 1947 came in

1795
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,520
the war department changed the

1796
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,760
department of defense and they created

1797
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,240
the cia the central intelligence agency

1798
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,400
and the nsa the

1799
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:50,400
national security agency

1800
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,200
is it a coincidence that or do you think

1801
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,559
that roswell had something to do with it

1802
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,160
because a lot of people that believe mj

1803
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:58,960
12 or or any of these theories is that

1804
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,680
the secret group formed is all this is

1805
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,319
related to roswell the national security

1806
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,480
act the creation of the cia the creation

1807
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,880
of the nsa the creation of the air force

1808
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,839
even

1809
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,680
and the department of defense changing

1810
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:13,039
from the you know war departments

1811
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,720
department of defense

1812
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,400
you think there's a connection between

1813
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,240
roswell and these events yeah and the

1814
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,640
air force being created also after that

1815
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,200
okay oh by the way i finally was smart

1816
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,079
enough to pull up on my computer your

1817
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,760
page so now i can see what you're

1818
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,480
putting on screen

1819
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,319
yeah we just have some uh we just got

1820
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,000
some slides here and these are yeah i'm

1821
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,680
looking at that yeah that's right

1822
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,960
patterson right

1823
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:39,119
yeah this so that yeah but let me get

1824
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:39,839
back

1825
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,480
yeah so to answer your question

1826
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,559
um here i have the slide that we were

1827
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,760
talking about about the national

1828
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:48,240
security act yeah the national security

1829
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,400
act okay i absolutely agree that

1830
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:54,799
whatever it actually was

1831
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,280
that happen in 47

1832
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,039
regarding this stuff we're talking about

1833
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:01,119
i absolutely agree

1834
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,480
that that

1835
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,400
was the driving force

1836
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,039
for this national security act of course

1837
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,920
yeah i i for a long time i have

1838
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:12,319
suspected that so yeah i agree with that

1839
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,359
what we meant we may all here disagree

1840
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,279
on what the specifics what roswell

1841
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:19,520
actually was and what it wasn't and such

1842
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,319
but

1843
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,040
i yes i agree that whatever happened in

1844
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,600
new mexico in 1947 that's caused all

1845
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:27,600
these things we're talking about that's

1846
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,719
caused this legend of roswell yes yes i

1847
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,120
agree that that is why

1848
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,960
this national security act stood up and

1849
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,560
think about it if

1850
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:38,880
if world war ii

1851
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,040
brought us the ascendancy of air power

1852
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,120
in war remember world war one they

1853
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:49,520
didn't want to hear about it okay

1854
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:52,719
by world war ii air power ascended as

1855
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,679
okay you know the air power is important

1856
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,799
and if if world war ii

1857
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,560
wasn't enough

1858
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,319
to go ahead and say let's have an

1859
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,159
independent air force

1860
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,799
what the hell happened in 1947 that made

1861
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,000
them you know

1862
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,839
um it couldn't just be the cold war

1863
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:12,080
concern about russian missiles

1864
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,279
um so yeah i i definitely think that's

1865
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:17,520
my long answer to that just to emphasize

1866
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:18,480
that

1867
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,400
thing i'm going to ask you gets

1868
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,400
listen you work for the air force office

1869
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,159
of special investigation so i'm going to

1870
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,839
ask you a question

1871
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,759
and and if this violate you've got to

1872
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,279
tell me if this might violate some

1873
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,880
security out that you're still bound by

1874
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,600
or nda all right you were in the air

1875
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:37,759
force office of special investigation

1876
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,480
now let's say that in the area where you

1877
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:42,319
worked some

1878
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,000
aircraft of unknown origin crashed

1879
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:47,759
where what would happen and where would

1880
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,309
well

1881
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,280
it it all depends on what's

1882
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,159
what's in the debris and and who needs

1883
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,400
to look at it but basically to give you

1884
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,480
the short answer you're either talking

1885
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:05,920
about um wright patterson labs or you're

1886
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,560
talking about um one of the uh intel

1887
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,199
material intel bases in texas

1888
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,880
would be my guess

1889
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,280
right off the top of my head now um

1890
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,360
there's also colorado springs you don't

1891
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,120
hear people talking about that but

1892
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:21,440
there's some interesting things that the

1893
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,719
air force

1894
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,080
does um in colorado springs so it could

1895
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,400
be there too

1896
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,560
okay most people believe that that the

1897
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:32,080
roswell material went to wright

1898
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,440
patterson because that's where the

1899
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:35,679
foreign technology division was uh

1900
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,400
there's some of the lore

1901
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,080
you know that when you get into the

1902
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,880
roswell thing that we're into here um

1903
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,440
there's one uh bit that talks about it

1904
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,679
having for a time been right here at

1905
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:49,440
norton air force base which i can see

1906
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,960
from my house

1907
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,560
former norton air force base which is

1908
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,719
now san bernardino international airport

1909
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,679
but

1910
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,320
it's it's what it is is it's an airport

1911
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,560
that's used to repair and refurbish

1912
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:02,880
aircraft commercial aircraft but it was

1913
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,199
norton air force base and according to

1914
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,600
some sources and i have that in my

1915
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,760
shimmering light book um

1916
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,760
it was stored right here the area where

1917
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,000
i practically you know spent most of my

1918
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:16,000
life and i didn't know that until i was

1919
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,120
working on

1920
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,360
um this book that's interesting yeah and

1921
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,600
here i'm showing this slide where we see

1922
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,960
there's a vast

1923
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,080
this may lead to some of the

1924
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,640
conspiracies about aliens and vats and

1925
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:28,480
things you know because right there

1926
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,880
truly is a real tunnel system underneath

1927
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,360
underneath ray patterson airport

1928
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,960
and a lot of people believe that the

1929
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,640
tunnels is where they're storing those

1930
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,640
aliens walter bosley yeah i was told

1931
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,800
about it the day i reported for duty at

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01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,360
wright patterson um

1933
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,840
right before i got there is i believe it

1934
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,440
was right before i got there they had

1935
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,120
wrapped up the um

1936
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,840
the kosovo peace talks they were doing

1937
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,679
those in the underground facility at

1938
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,880
wright pat

1939
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:59,520
they brought in the serbian and the um

1940
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:02,080
bosnian representatives and

1941
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:04,480
they were doing those negotiations right

1942
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,760
there underneath

1943
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,520
and when you're on the base

1944
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:09,280
you see you know those i call them

1945
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,640
mushrooms those uh those air vents yeah

1946
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,800
they're all over the base i know i look

1947
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,400
for somebody else they're on the ground

1948
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,040
you can see them

1949
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,640
and you know they were telling me and

1950
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,239
they were pointing out yeah see that's

1951
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:24,080
some of the air vents for it i know

1952
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,760
somebody that got on the base and took

1953
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,280
pictures of that and sent them to me and

1954
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:28,960
said see steve

1955
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:31,600
these are vents going down to the alien

1956
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,480
body

1957
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,040
chambers or something yeah but see these

1958
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,880
are just so funny that things are

1959
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,560
actually real like there really is a

1960
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,640
tunnel system underneath the space and

1961
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,960
there really is these air vents kind of

1962
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,000
gets

1963
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,560
you know used as proof almost to some of

1964
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,120
these conspiracies right

1965
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,199
yeah people i'm what it what it does

1966
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,440
indeed prove is that there's a facility

1967
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,960
you know a sub-training facility a

1968
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:56,800
facility underground but that's all it

1969
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,640
proves you know um the rest is uh

1970
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,199
you know conjecture little circumstance

1971
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,080
i guess you know a little a little

1972
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,000
less than credible

1973
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,679
to believe this stuff but to the true

1974
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,920
believers you know they want to believe

1975
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,159
so i guess they look towards that

1976
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,080
as some sort of uh

1977
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,719
some sort of proof to

1978
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,880
you know confirm what they already want

1979
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:23,199
to believe right well yeah they jump the

1980
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,880
shark with it they just take too big of

1981
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,440
a leap and they they go that's an aha

1982
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,159
rather than you know cooling their jets

1983
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,719
and saying well at least this proves a

1984
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,040
piece of that now let's go to the next

1985
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,960
step that's that's what the more

1986
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,440
rational mind does

1987
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,120
wow and so

1988
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,800
yeah i guess uh

1989
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,480
you know you left me with more questions

1990
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,560
than answers though tonight

1991
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,920
but that's wait is that the photo you

1992
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,920
were talking about where i look pissed

1993
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:52,080
no it was the other one i control okay i

1994
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,760
was gonna say that when i was in a hey

1995
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,600
guess where i was where i was the day

1996
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,000
that that photo was taken that's the one

1997
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:00,640
i was at the history channel alien con

1998
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:04,880
which features uh ancient aliens and i

1999
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,800
met my good friend you know my friend

2000
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,800
david childress in fact i had dinner

2001
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:11,199
with him and his wife afterwards at

2002
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,719
another mutual friend's house in

2003
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:15,280
pasadena and uh you know saw giorgio

2004
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,560
there who i had met about 16 years ago i

2005
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:20,080
kind of like children's i got a couple

2006
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,280
of his books

2007
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:22,560
you know i think he's kind of full of

2008
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,920
[\h__\h] but he seems like a real nice guy

2009
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,760
that's what i'll say about mr children

2010
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,920
it seems so likeable that you want to

2011
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,000
believe him you know he's a very

2012
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,159
personable guy and he doesn't get

2013
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,920
ruffled if you disagree with him on

2014
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,280
stuff like you know some people get

2015
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,920
ruffled right and he doesn't and i'll

2016
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,760
tell you i recommend i highly recommend

2017
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:43,840
to anybody if you like travel or you're

2018
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:46,960
interested in travel go on one of his uh

2019
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,360
world explorer club trips to the ancient

2020
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,440
ruins in mexico i gotta do that yeah i

2021
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,360
gotta do that someday

2022
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,880
even if my wife and i want to see all

2023
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,480
the pyramids we want to see the nazca

2024
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,400
pyramids and the egyptian pyramids

2025
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,560
someday hopefully yeah

2026
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:02,640
yeah and so i got another question for

2027
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,239
you again if this violates security

2028
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,920
oaths or any of that stuff people should

2029
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,840
show that you worked on secret projects

2030
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,600
for the air force

2031
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,520
office of special investigations and you

2032
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,440
had real top secret clearance unlike a

2033
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,679
lot of these fake clowns that claimed

2034
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,640
they had

2035
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,199
cosmic did you have cosmic clearance

2036
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,520
gloves honestly it doesn't exist right

2037
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,640
but you know

2038
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,080
but you have real clearance you have

2039
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,120
real top secret clearance yeah i i from

2040
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,280
day one i was 24 years old when i

2041
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,440
reported for duty to the fbi in los

2042
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,000
angeles at 11 000 wilshire boulevard on

2043
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,719
the 14th of march 1988

2044
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:38,480
and i had a top secret clearance when i

2045
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:39,920
walked in the door because that's part

2046
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:42,560
of your background i had a top secret

2047
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,440
clearance my whole career and i started

2048
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,760
with the fbi as a mail clerk i was a

2049
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,159
mail clerk for 45 days now the first day

2050
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,080
i reported i was pulled aside into a

2051
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,760
room and the counterintelligence

2052
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:55,920
surveillance team supervisor said look

2053
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,640
fill out this in-house form and it might

2054
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:00,000
take a couple of months but we want to

2055
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,840
get you in counter intelligence okay

2056
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:03,760
great so i went in reported for duty i

2057
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,159
was a male clerk for 45 days and then i

2058
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:08,080
got promoted to evidence technician i

2059
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,600
was an evidence technician in los

2060
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,760
angeles for six months they sent me up

2061
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,360
to san jose where i was an evidence

2062
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,120
technician for two months

2063
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,239
and then got into the surveillance team

2064
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,320
program and counterintelligence and at

2065
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,600
that point they added to my ts

2066
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:25,920
what we call in the business tickets and

2067
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,560
these are letter you know it's levels of

2068
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,360
clearance denoted by letters which i i

2069
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:33,120
can't tell you what mine are i have x

2070
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:34,560
number of tickets and they're such and

2071
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:37,120
such letters and um

2072
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,400
uh

2073
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,159
and when i got into the air force you

2074
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,199
know the the i was cleared for weird as

2075
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:45,600
we say and and

2076
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:49,360
that's when now i was ts sci

2077
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:52,800
with my tickets which i can't specify um

2078
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:55,520
was with the bureau and then when i went

2079
01:17:00,709 --> 01:17:00,000
into the air force i was ts sci and i

2080
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,719
was

2081
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,960
an additional to that the acronym

2082
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,520
additional i was for i mean look they

2083
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,880
impress upon you you're not supposed to

2084
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,719
talk about this acronym publicly or to

2085
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,719
unauthorized people right and so for

2086
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,480
years i honored that you weren't it was

2087
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,320
kind of sensitive i'm not saying other

2088
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,840
people didn't talk about it but i'm

2089
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,600
saying you know i couldn't and then

2090
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,520
hillary clinton goes talking about it in

2091
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,159
her campaign a sap a special access

2092
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:24,080
program okay

2093
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,920
so then the message is if higher ups and

2094
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,600
the government are saying that then

2095
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,679
you're allowed to right yeah well it

2096
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:31,679
gets to where okay gee it's ridiculous

2097
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,199
so yeah i was ts sci with my tickets and

2098
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:38,719
i what i did at wrightpat

2099
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:42,080
was a sap essentially okay well no i

2100
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,600
when you say the word essentially people

2101
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:46,560
go oh then it wasn't it no it was a sap

2102
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:50,000
so um uh but i'm still you know here

2103
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,600
what i'm trying to get to though is yeah

2104
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,440
you had real prop secret clearance you

2105
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,880
worked on these secret projects you

2106
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,320
worked in the air force office of

2107
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,040
special investigations so i want to know

2108
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:01,840
if you ever saw any kind of exotic

2109
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:03,520
aircraft

2110
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,719
that

2111
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,040
may be anti-gravity in nature or if you

2112
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,600
saw alien bodies or tissue samples or

2113
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:12,000
anything of aliens or anything like that

2114
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:13,760
in all of your time

2115
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,560
well

2116
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:16,880
one day when i was at wright labs i was

2117
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,320
in there having um uh uh

2118
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,239
oh [\h__\h] what's this i knew this was a

2119
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:25,120
good question yeah i i was having coffee

2120
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,040
oh and you worked at wright patterson

2121
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,360
air force base yeah i i was friends he

2122
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,280
worked at the place where everybody says

2123
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,520
those bodies are in cold storage so i

2124
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:35,280
want to know what he saw

2125
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:37,760
i was going

2126
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:39,920
i was having coffee with emery smith

2127
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,679
while he was doing all his autopsies oh

2128
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:44,239
i'm just kidding um no god damn it i

2129
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:45,120
thought you were gonna give us something

2130
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,920
good

2131
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,280
i was trying to get to the punch line

2132
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,719
there

2133
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:50,320
i worked yes i worked at

2134
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,719
wright-patterson um and uh as i said

2135
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:56,640
cleared for weird i had to go to the

2136
01:19:03,030 --> 01:18:57,520
vault

2137
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:03,040
where you read secretly dekitty stuff

2138
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,920
and um no i never saw an alien body or

2139
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,239
any tissue samples or anything like that

2140
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,239
while i was in the vault on a couple of

2141
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,880
occasions uh there was stuff i had to

2142
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:16,080
read

2143
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:17,280
and

2144
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:20,800
there was some exotic technology in that

2145
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,679
and uh which you know kind of raise my

2146
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:25,120
eyebrows

2147
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,040
and i will say this this is why

2148
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,880
i say

2149
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,719
that

2150
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:35,679
i think 90 percent of what people

2151
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:38,800
have seen that they're reporting as ufos

2152
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,960
uh is probably

2153
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,239
um

2154
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,800
advanced dod technology i'll put it that

2155
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:47,199
way this this is one of the rei you know

2156
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:48,640
i'm not just saying that well i was in

2157
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,400
the osi believe me you know um no it's

2158
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:55,520
because of the technology i saw now also

2159
01:20:02,149 --> 01:19:58,800
in my duties in my specialty at wright

2160
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:02,159
patterson i dealt with um classified

2161
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,320
aircraft technology virtually every day

2162
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:08,000
okay

2163
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,040
and

2164
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,719
you know so i was

2165
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:13,600
briefed in and exposed to some stuff

2166
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:14,560
that

2167
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,159
uh again could be confused if the the

2168
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,239
the civilian who isn't aware of what

2169
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,159
this is could be confused with some type

2170
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:24,400
of et thing now am i saying it was a

2171
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:27,130
flying saucer no i'm not saying that um

2172
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,560
[Music]

2173
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:31,040
at la i was briefed in on some stuff

2174
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,639
that was you know

2175
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,880
pretty you know on the outer space level

2176
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:36,800
some technology stuff they were doing

2177
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,120
notice how vague i'm staying

2178
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,520
saying this but i want to emphasize none

2179
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,320
of it was a flying saucer or anything

2180
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,719
you know like that but all right let's

2181
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,120
throw down a little bit did you see any

2182
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,760
sort of exotic propulsion systems other

2183
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:54,480
than standard things like prop driven or

2184
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:57,679
jet engines

2185
01:21:02,629 --> 01:20:58,719
yes

2186
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:02,639
um i well i saw i saw some

2187
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,920
good hold on i saw some pretty exotic

2188
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:08,159
stuff remember at the time for the it

2189
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,080
was in the 90s the late 90s that was um

2190
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,880
it was like the next level

2191
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,880
of jet

2192
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,400
technology

2193
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:19,360
that

2194
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,080
was pretty cool which was

2195
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:24,880
you know was pretty advanced stuff like

2196
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,199
methane powered pulse jet engines and

2197
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:28,800
things like that

2198
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,400
popular signs i wouldn't tell you what

2199
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:33,199
it is if you guessed sorry

2200
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,320
do you see

2201
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:36,239
but but this was stuff that was going to

2202
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:40,639
be used on aircraft or or as we say

2203
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,520
you know air forms or air platforms you

2204
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:46,320
know uh platforms is a word that was

2205
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,520
used and i remember um what's his name

2206
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:51,280
ray what's his name

2207
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:52,719
shoot he's the guy that says he's got

2208
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:55,280
the evidence but he never

2209
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,400
it shows it

2210
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,159
no that could be a hundred guys he he

2211
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,719
wrote the book about fatima and shoot

2212
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,480
what's his you guys know what i'm

2213
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:05,199
talking about out there anyway he once

2214
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:07,679
got pissed off at me on greg bishop's

2215
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,239
show greg bishop was talking with him

2216
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,719
because i i used the term platform and

2217
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,400
he and he said in all his years being

2218
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:16,159
around dod in the air force he's ray

2219
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:17,199
stanford

2220
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,639
no credibility

2221
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:22,880
uh because i used the word platform

2222
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:29,110
the word platform is something that was

2223
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,199
used you know in my time

2224
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:33,920
so and the reason it's used is think

2225
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,280
about this think about this the aircraft

2226
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,080
denotes implies a certain type of thing

2227
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:43,360
in the sky right so if you use a more uh

2228
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,560
a vague platform type word well that

2229
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,960
could be anything that could be a

2230
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:50,719
fighter craft that could be a bomber

2231
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,280
that could be the stealth that could be

2232
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:56,159
something that's not an airplane right

2233
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:57,440
um so

2234
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,480
you know

2235
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:00,719
i find the nomenclature sometimes here's

2236
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,600
what i i do think the way they brief you

2237
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:05,040
in on things

2238
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,040
you you figure out later as you learn

2239
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,120
more and and learn details and get

2240
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,719
briefed in on things the way you they

2241
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,800
brief you on your levels these tickets

2242
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,880
i'm talking about your clearance levels

2243
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:17,360
it's done in this interesting way if

2244
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,600
you've ever

2245
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,199
studied language and they give you a

2246
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,080
language aptitude test that the language

2247
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:25,920
aptitude test doesn't use a real

2248
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,320
language it uses a a

2249
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,159
a fake language

2250
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,800
so that they can test your aptitude for

2251
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:35,199
learning new languages okay

2252
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:36,800
could that be so that you can talk to

2253
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,440
aliens if you get to meet honor no no no

2254
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,000
no no it's it's but but it's similar in

2255
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:44,080
how they read to you your levels they

2256
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,280
brief you

2257
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,360
um when you're getting your security

2258
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,440
clearance levels they brief you in the

2259
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,520
more general sense

2260
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,280
because you're briefed up to a certain

2261
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,280
level so that in your job and duties you

2262
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:57,280
will either be briefed further in or be

2263
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,400
exposed to the specific things that fall

2264
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,560
under that level if that makes sense and

2265
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:04,719
i will say that the the level i was

2266
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:06,000
briefed into

2267
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,360
with osi

2268
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,760
was on the outer space level

2269
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:12,159
okay so that

2270
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:13,760
in the course of my duties when i was

2271
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:17,040
exposed to that stuff i was covered

2272
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,239
interesting

2273
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:19,920
and i will say that

2274
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,480
the the level i was at when i was in

2275
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,040
saudi arabia i was the only during my

2276
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,120
time at the detachment i was the only

2277
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,679
agent there who had the clearance level

2278
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,960
to see the highest level of

2279
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,639
intel we were getting

2280
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,159
in our duties there in fact they would

2281
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,679
call me like in the middle of the night

2282
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,280
and i'd have to go over to the intel

2283
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,480
unit and

2284
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:43,440
and i'd have to it was a very it was one

2285
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:44,400
special

2286
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,480
thing that you would look at that

2287
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,719
you could read this data it didn't come

2288
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:50,880
through on the regular computers and i

2289
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,400
had the clearance i was the only agent

2290
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:54,400
in my deployed attachment that had that

2291
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,520
clearance

2292
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,600
and uh you know to see that kind of

2293
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,840
thing so um and and i share these kind

2294
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,159
of details just to you know to help

2295
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,159
support the bona fides to you know those

2296
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,000
who know what i'm talking about oh i got

2297
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:08,400
all your records so i know you're

2298
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:12,870
before we before we ever talked the

2299
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,600
first time i had all your records just

2300
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:17,760
just putting that out there i'm curious

2301
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:19,760
when you say all my records well not all

2302
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,239
of them but i have i have i did enough

2303
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,159
research to verify that you were did you

2304
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,400
get anything from st louis

2305
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:28,239
uh i'd have to go back over the folder

2306
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,520
and it's on another computer you're

2307
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,520
probably able to get my dd214 right

2308
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:33,120
because i believe that i did and then

2309
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,320
later you sent me another copy of it

2310
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,639
yours was somehow more updated than mine

2311
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,320
mine must have been years old or

2312
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,239
something because it look it didn't list

2313
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:44,080
your last few things or something like

2314
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,679
that really

2315
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,760
yeah i think so as i recall i could get

2316
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,600
back to you on that but i have another

2317
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:50,880
question then

2318
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,840
i i i before he died i got to talk to

2319
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,600
stan friedman a bunch of times only a

2320
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,760
very nice man yes only interviewed him

2321
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:59,520
officially once and he told me a lot of

2322
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,400
really

2323
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,639
strange stories about the government's

2324
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,639
one-time obsession with

2325
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,239
trying to propel aircraft with

2326
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:08,639
nuclear-powered jets or rockets right

2327
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:11,679
did you see anything uh about that while

2328
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,000
you had the secret clearance

2329
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:17,120
no i i didn't see anything about that at

2330
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:19,760
all i i will say that

2331
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,120
that one thing i did read um was

2332
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:24,880
in the vault just to give you a little

2333
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,600
taste a little piece of candy um i i

2334
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,800
read you know something about

2335
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,880
electrogravitics you know that t

2336
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:33,360
townsend brown type stuff sure yeah the

2337
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,120
problem i have with electrogravitics is

2338
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,040
that i looked into it myself i'm into

2339
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,120
electronics and like

2340
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,920
you can only produce a tiny tiny exactly

2341
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,159
thrust so to me you're not you're not

2342
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,239
getting an aircraft off the ground with

2343
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:48,560
that but it's it's the interesting thing

2344
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,400
is um it it makes me wonder at the time

2345
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:54,639
i remember wondering oh wow this is

2346
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:57,360
interesting what direction did the air

2347
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,880
force take this that makes after yeah

2348
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:02,480
maybe they figured it out

2349
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,719
they figured out how to amp up the

2350
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:08,719
side product maybe

2351
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,440
electrographics as such like show burger

2352
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,840
as such doesn't work but maybe there was

2353
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:15,920
some little element some little thread

2354
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,679
in there that some guy said oh hey wait

2355
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,440
a minute if we do this and then they got

2356
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,120
something out of that right

2357
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,920
sure sure and listen mr bosley i just

2358
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:25,520
want to thank you because i'm looking in

2359
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,280
the live chat and there's a lot of new

2360
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,280
people that have not been here

2361
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,760
okay that i'm aware of at least

2362
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,920
previously it looks like we've pulled in

2363
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,840
a lot of people that this is their first

2364
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,600
time so i want to thank you for

2365
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,520
helping to bring a lot more people here

2366
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,679
and introduce people to the show

2367
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,320
and i also want to ask you about

2368
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,440
this book the esoteric napoleon sorry

2369
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:50,000
i'm gonna share my screen i have it on

2370
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:52,880
my list here i i haven't gotten it yet

2371
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:55,280
because i got um i've got two other

2372
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,880
books ahead of you

2373
01:28:02,470 --> 01:27:58,560
sorry

2374
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:02,480
but uh i like history and i like secret

2375
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:03,520
stuff

2376
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,639
so this seems very much up my alley i'm

2377
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:08,080
gonna read the description it's from

2378
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,920
amazon the esoteric napoleon uh

2379
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,520
in this fourth installment of the secret

2380
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,280
mission series the author presents his

2381
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,199
hypothesis involving the legendary

2382
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,920
historical figure napoleon bonaparte

2383
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:21,920
what was he searching for in egypt what

2384
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,239
happened to him inside the great pyramid

2385
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,639
what was the secret of napoleon's

2386
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,199
ancestry and why was the european

2387
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:31,600
oligarchy so concerned what was

2388
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,679
napoleon's association with the mystery

2389
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,199
of oh you might need to help me with

2390
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:37,679
that ren's last chateau

2391
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,320
these questions i'm sorry go ahead

2392
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,639
ren le chateau ren le chateau i didn't

2393
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,800
do to it these questions and many more

2394
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:46,560
are posed in this first volume of walter

2395
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,639
bosni's unique examination of one of the

2396
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,480
greatest and purposefully

2397
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:52,800
mischaracterized men who ever lived i

2398
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:55,520
never heard anything about napoleon and

2399
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,629
it's fascinating to me you want to tell

2400
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:02,080
us what he was looking for there or do

2401
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:03,520
we have to read the book

2402
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:05,199
give us a taste can you give us a taste

2403
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:07,600
of what he was well i i look napoleon

2404
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,280
bonaparte wow it's hard to give just a

2405
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,840
taste but i'll i'll do my best basically

2406
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,560
in a nutshell um

2407
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:16,800
the napoleon that i grew up hearing

2408
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,679
about in school and in movies and stuff

2409
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,960
is not

2410
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:22,960
the the full picture or the real

2411
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:25,600
napoleon the true napoleon bonaparte

2412
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:28,880
this was a brilliant man who actually uh

2413
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:30,639
would have been just as happy believe it

2414
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,360
or not had his path taken him down the

2415
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,360
route of being a scientist or an

2416
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,360
archaeologist okay his path just

2417
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,960
happened to lead him to the military

2418
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,400
because when he was a child he was put

2419
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:42,480
in military school in france by his

2420
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,199
father now he he was brilliant with

2421
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,440
mathematics and that's what made him a

2422
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:49,760
brilliant artillery officer but napoleon

2423
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,239
bonaparte is studied to this day by war

2424
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,239
colleges that's how amazing and

2425
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,159
brilliant he was as you know the

2426
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,000
strategy wise and as an artillery

2427
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:01,199
officer and such but his first love

2428
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,639
was ancient history was science and

2429
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:06,719
archaeology and things like that and he

2430
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:08,400
was surrounded by

2431
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:11,199
um uh men who were interested in these

2432
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:12,880
things and it was their profession to

2433
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:15,440
pursue these things his closest mentor

2434
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:17,679
was um uh i

2435
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:18,960
think i'm getting the first name on

2436
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:22,639
gaspar monge monge was his last name

2437
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,159
anyway

2438
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:26,080
napoleon uh

2439
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,800
after his great successes and his

2440
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:30,320
initial rise

2441
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,400
as a military officer conquering italy

2442
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:34,880
and doing all this stuff for france um

2443
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:38,000
he begins to worry some of the oligarchy

2444
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,120
um

2445
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:41,040
you know the elites of france the

2446
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:42,880
political class of france because he's

2447
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,520
getting real well known and he's popular

2448
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:47,600
people like him and

2449
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,679
so when he suggests hey i would love to

2450
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:51,920
go i have this vision for an expedition

2451
01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:55,280
to egypt they say yeah yeah by all means

2452
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,199
go to egypt they wanted him out of the

2453
01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:59,679
way but he takes to egypt

2454
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:02,400
hundreds of um

2455
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:04,480
what are called the savants these are

2456
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:06,159
scientists these are archaeologists

2457
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,239
historians um astronomers um these guys

2458
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,400
who you get into the hermetical sciences

2459
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,239
and the you know guys that would know

2460
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,800
alchemy and things like that and so he

2461
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,440
goes off to egypt and basically i think

2462
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:21,120
and i realized this is not as quick as i

2463
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:23,440
thought it was going to be but

2464
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,239
i think that he was

2465
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:28,080
looking for something along the lines of

2466
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,639
that not just looking to find you know

2467
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:32,960
to conquer a route to india to route the

2468
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:34,639
british and the russians and that was

2469
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:36,719
part of it but i really think that to

2470
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,320
him would have been a side product i

2471
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:40,239
think the man personally

2472
01:31:43,830 --> 01:31:41,760
was looking for

2473
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:43,840
some answers to the mysteries of ancient

2474
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:44,880
history

2475
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,679
and uh back then especially what better

2476
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:49,679
place to start than egypt

2477
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,639
itself and um

2478
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,719
in you know when i started learning that

2479
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:57,199
side to napoleon and also at the same

2480
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,880
time learning uh you know the uh the um

2481
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:02,639
the the the

2482
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,360
the character assassination really is

2483
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:07,440
what was done to him started by the

2484
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:10,400
british oligarchs the the the british

2485
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,560
oligarchs were just

2486
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:15,360
jealous of napoleon bonaparte because

2487
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,280
basically he was beating them at their

2488
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:19,440
own game okay

2489
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:21,360
that's the reason they really hated him

2490
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,040
he was beating him at their own game

2491
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:25,440
they wanted to be the power that you

2492
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,920
know controlled europe essentially they

2493
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:29,840
wanted to be the power that he was

2494
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:31,760
becoming that's all it was they were no

2495
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,520
better than the

2496
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:35,440
character assassination the labels they

2497
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:37,760
were putting on this guy and for 200

2498
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:38,880
years

2499
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:39,600
we

2500
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,880
this this

2501
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,159
campaign

2502
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:44,800
to just tarnish his rep and when he was

2503
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,360
alive they would say all manner of lies

2504
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:49,760
about this guy i mean they didn't tell

2505
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,199
their children that he would eat them

2506
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,920
after boiling them in the bottom

2507
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:56,000
i certainly think that like from the

2508
01:33:01,510 --> 01:32:59,199
level of education that i got uh in just

2509
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:01,520
in high school and you know

2510
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:02,400
was

2511
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:09,679
conqueror and you know fascists and

2512
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:12,800
try to take over all these countries

2513
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:14,800
don't get me wrong the man did make some

2514
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:17,600
mistakes yeah you know and he did some

2515
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,280
things that you know weren't the best

2516
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:21,600
thing but england and their leadership

2517
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:23,360
and their monarchy was full of that just

2518
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:25,040
look what the british did to the

2519
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:26,800
scottish and the irish you know it's not

2520
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,280
just in the movie braveheart that really

2521
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,679
happened where the lord could come by

2522
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,199
and if you were going to get married he

2523
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:35,120
got to have sex with your wife before

2524
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,040
you did because he's the lord and she's

2525
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:39,600
his property and if she got pregnant you

2526
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,560
had to raise that child i mean

2527
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,320
so the english sounds like a good deal

2528
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:47,040
for him right yeah the english monarchy

2529
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:50,239
is raping you know these women and

2530
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:53,760
that's not heinous you know um it it's

2531
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,040
uh

2532
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:57,199
and and again i i need to specify

2533
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,880
sometimes because i have some folks from

2534
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,800
england that follow me and listen to me

2535
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,639
they know they've heard me say when you

2536
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:04,880
hear me say the brits in relation to

2537
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:06,960
napoleon i'm talking about the the

2538
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:09,280
oligarchy the monarchy this the you know

2539
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:11,920
the bank of london types you know and

2540
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:14,880
yes the ruling class the elite yeah the

2541
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,440
regular royal family yeah this is why

2542
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:19,199
this is why there's no way in hell that

2543
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:21,040
they were when they did get him that

2544
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,199
they were gonna um uh put him under

2545
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,280
house arrest in england because the

2546
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,040
common british people

2547
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:29,280
actually were beginning to think wow we

2548
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:30,639
can't wait for this guy to come to

2549
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:31,920
england we want to meet him and they

2550
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:34,000
were afraid that their the people would

2551
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,480
love napoleon

2552
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:38,320
well he's awfully charismatic he would

2553
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,400
have to be to put him in itself in that

2554
01:34:45,109 --> 01:34:42,320
position and probably a good order as

2555
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:45,119
well and and and as you can imagine some

2556
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,800
of the people i have people that are

2557
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,960
napoleon haters to this day you know

2558
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:50,800
that say well what about this that the

2559
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:53,040
other when you look and i read thousands

2560
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:55,280
of pages on napoleon bonaparte i mean i

2561
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:57,679
did my homework on this when you look

2562
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,480
closely at these heinous things that

2563
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:02,400
they point to napoleon did this napoleon

2564
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,560
did that most of the time it's not

2565
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,400
napoleon himself doing it it's one of

2566
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,639
those dumb ass underlings that a lot of

2567
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:10,960
leaders unfortunately this happens to

2568
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,040
them under their regimes

2569
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:15,040
there's a couple of things you can point

2570
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:16,320
to that yeah

2571
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,639
napoleon really did the you know made

2572
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,719
the wrong choice there like

2573
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,480
the guy who got

2574
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:24,000
executed

2575
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,880
um

2576
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:26,480
shoot he was a

2577
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,600
duke or something anyway he got executed

2578
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:31,760
uh you know

2579
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:33,679
uh murdered essentially

2580
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:37,760
assassinated and it was kind of

2581
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,960
you know

2582
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:40,800
napoleon should have

2583
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,800
he could have not made made sure that

2584
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:44,800
didn't happen and he didn't he he

2585
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:47,440
allowed it to happen and that was yikes

2586
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:49,280
you know that was

2587
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:50,159
but

2588
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,719
this idea of this monster this oh you'll

2589
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,040
love this uh people say well what about

2590
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,960
the nostradamus prediction where he was

2591
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,400
the oh my god

2592
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,800
that is such unmitigated [\h__\h] first

2593
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:02,960
of all the guy who about a hundred years

2594
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:05,280
or so ago who first started talking

2595
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:06,800
about that who first presented that

2596
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:09,520
nostradamus predicted that napoleon was

2597
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:12,320
the first antichrist he admitted in his

2598
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:14,719
own lifetime that his source for

2599
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,280
nostradamus was a terrible translation

2600
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:19,760
of nostradamus

2601
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:22,000
i don't put any stock in nostradamus

2602
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:23,920
yeah so well you know it's just like

2603
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:25,199
it's just like i'm going to write a

2604
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:27,119
bunch of poems and hundreds of years

2605
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,480
from now people are going to find some

2606
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:30,239
ridiculous meaning but you have to

2607
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,360
address it because people in our

2608
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,880
community you know oh but what about

2609
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,040
that well the guy who first wrote that

2610
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:36,880
said it was [\h__\h]

2611
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,920
and um you know so it's i'll tell you it

2612
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,840
opened my eyes i came away from this

2613
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,000
research and writing this book is

2614
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:49,030
just sweet bonapartist you know it's

2615
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:51,199
it's like i i like the guy

2616
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:54,159
i i like napoleon bonaparte and there

2617
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:56,639
are some serious historians

2618
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:59,199
um who are are

2619
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,480
proving and showing and and taking that

2620
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:04,239
position too that hey wait a minute

2621
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,159
napoleon bonaparte was not this evil

2622
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:08,480
demonic monster that he's made out to be

2623
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:10,480
that's just a bunch of crap and they're

2624
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,840
finally rehabilitating this honestly i'm

2625
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,000
not sure maybe i was brainwashed too

2626
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:18,000
much so i'll i'll trust your judgment

2627
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,000
though that well and not just mine uh

2628
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:21,840
andrew roberts andrew roberts has

2629
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:24,719
written a few thousand pages on napoleon

2630
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,360
bonaparte and you know he he's a british

2631
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:29,360
historian he's a british historian but

2632
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:31,520
after 200 years of a smear campaign of

2633
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:34,560
lies it's time that you know people got

2634
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,400
a little bit more of the straight story

2635
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,040
and that's beginning to come out and um

2636
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,600
anyway sure oh yeah and and uh just to

2637
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:44,320
clarify cheryl peterson is here and i

2638
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,840
said that we had a lot of new people

2639
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,840
here and she said not exactly new people

2640
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:50,320
some of us are boslyans but i want them

2641
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,719
all to know you guys are most welcome

2642
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:54,719
here please come back please subscribe

2643
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:57,119
and hit that bell hey cheryl hi cheryl

2644
01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,119
and and thanks for all you who've you

2645
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,159
know are here yeah

2646
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:05,040
very popular guy mr boss some people i

2647
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:07,199
have over there were with you first and

2648
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:09,119
and they're you know like their mods

2649
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,400
over in my

2650
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,080
thing you know but they're taking my

2651
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:14,400
audience walter bosley i'm gonna punch

2652
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,920
you in the face when i mean i haven't

2653
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,400
seen mod whiz in a while but um we got

2654
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,119
philip blair we got lee veltman you know

2655
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,800
well you can have those two clowns i

2656
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:24,800
don't want them in my audience [\h__\h]

2657
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:27,760
losers no i'm kidding i love those guys

2658
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:29,119
we've got um

2659
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:30,719
uh uh

2660
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:33,600
what's her name darn it cat

2661
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:34,800
v what

2662
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:37,520
v yeah super v one cat she was now she's

2663
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,080
just v she's just v like madonna she

2664
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,400
only needs one letter she's so well

2665
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,400
known she's just v

2666
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,560
which makes a lot of sense yeah these

2667
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,639
are your folks originally well listen i

2668
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,639
don't want to keep you too long i can't

2669
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,560
tell you how happy i am that i got to

2670
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:54,560
interview you again i hope when we have

2671
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:56,480
something else coming up that you would

2672
01:39:01,990 --> 01:38:58,880
be well suited for you will let me

2673
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:02,000
pull you in here and shake some uh great

2674
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,080
conversation out of you well did we talk

2675
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,159
about roswell enough to the extent that

2676
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:08,480
people yeah i mean i think you know it's

2677
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:11,119
kind of like we we explored your theory

2678
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,400
we went over

2679
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,880
different things i pushed back and asked

2680
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,560
you what you think of other things i

2681
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,239
think that we covered pretty well and

2682
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:20,480
gave people what may be another

2683
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:22,960
perspective of what actually happened at

2684
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,119
roswell well and if you know here comes

2685
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:27,360
the plug but again if they want the

2686
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:29,360
details into why i think what i think

2687
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:33,520
about roswell um i i elaborate further

2688
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,239
on

2689
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:36,400
in my book shimmering light which is it

2690
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:39,520
only at lulu.com lulu.com print on

2691
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,400
demand

2692
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,400
um and that's where i go into the

2693
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,400
details as to why i think what i think

2694
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:46,480
and what the scenario is about roswell

2695
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,080
and again i say this i could be wrong

2696
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:52,239
i haven't heard that thing i could be

2697
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:54,320
wrong i don't yeah no that's good that's

2698
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,560
refreshing i i like that much better

2699
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:58,560
than people that are so adamant that

2700
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,080
they're right in their position and they

2701
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,000
won't even accept the possibility that

2702
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,000
they could be wrong right

2703
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:06,719
right yeah it's it's you know here's the

2704
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,320
only thing i get adamant about and that

2705
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,520
i is is i i don't lie

2706
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:13,040
you know

2707
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:14,639
if it's something that i'm just thinking

2708
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,199
or speculating i'll tell you that um but

2709
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,920
i'll i'll never lie to people you know

2710
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:21,520
it's

2711
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:24,239
i just i just won't do that and uh you

2712
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,400
know we've had if even if just one

2713
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,239
person does it in our field in our

2714
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:30,320
community or any community that's one

2715
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:33,119
too many but we've had more than one you

2716
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,880
know who've done those kinds of things

2717
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,119
because you know honestly when i got

2718
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,600
deeper looking into these things

2719
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,440
i didn't know at first that you have to

2720
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,679
look into the speaker that's saying this

2721
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,000
stuff right and honestly i was a little

2722
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,159
shocked when i started doing that go

2723
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,239
wait this guy was never in the military

2724
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:52,080
he said that he was in the military then

2725
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:53,840
i call and i check and i try to get his

2726
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,719
records oh he wasn't wait this guy never

2727
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,040
went to mit or caltech like he said he

2728
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:01,040
did there's no records he's just making

2729
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,280
this [\h__\h] up it was shocking to me how

2730
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,960
many people just totally make up their

2731
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,719
backgrounds their military service you

2732
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,960
know that's why i value i value people

2733
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,040
like you who are still into this stuff

2734
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,440
so much more because you can prove

2735
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,199
everything you say about your background

2736
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:17,280
it's important that you trust the

2737
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,119
speaker who's bringing you the

2738
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,360
information absolutely you you have to

2739
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:23,440
consider your source you have to look at

2740
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,560
the sources of things and um

2741
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,560
you know that but what what now i'm

2742
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,239
wondering you told me that your version

2743
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:32,960
of the dd214 was different from mine uh

2744
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,800
you know now i'm wondering if uh no i

2745
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,159
think there was a slight difference and

2746
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,800
that's just something i noticed

2747
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,800
there's an in-house version that osi

2748
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,719
gives its guys getting out that they

2749
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,719
they don't put they don't give to st

2750
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,639
louis you know or something but i was

2751
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:48,080
hoping to get the one that was going to

2752
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,679
tell me you were a real life man in

2753
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,920
black working on flying cluster crash

2754
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:53,520
for three well you know the funny thing

2755
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,080
about dd214s is they're true they they

2756
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:58,320
but but the you know some people and

2757
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,940
we've talked about this before i think

2758
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,280
[Music]

2759
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:04,400
some people think that a dd214 is

2760
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,320
supposed to tell them every little

2761
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:08,000
detailed thing the person worked on

2762
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:11,440
that's not what a dd 214 is as you know

2763
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,480
all it can do is vouch for service and

2764
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,800
um what your job was

2765
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,880
you know and and the bases you were at

2766
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,639
and what training and decorations you

2767
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,639
had all it can do is confirm and verify

2768
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,639
that you were indeed in the military and

2769
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,960
in the command that you say you were but

2770
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,719
it doesn't get into the cases of the

2771
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,360
operations obviously you know somebody

2772
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,719
in the live chat morning or james would

2773
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,320
like to know what what was your opinion

2774
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,000
of your portrayal in

2775
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,320
large men one of my favorite one of my

2776
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:40,320
favorite documentaries okay i'll put it

2777
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:43,440
to you this way but basically um i i

2778
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:47,280
wasn't happy with how i was how the book

2779
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:48,560
reads

2780
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:52,000
um the the video the film that's me

2781
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,840
anytime you see me there and you see me

2782
01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:55,520
saying what i'm saying that's what i

2783
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,639
said you know so in in the movie

2784
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,400
they didn't there was

2785
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:02,320
some stuff in the book that the book

2786
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:05,040
insinuates that that i did not say and

2787
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,360
that i was not implying and that i don't

2788
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:09,199
like how it was characterized but in the

2789
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:12,480
movie that's me and and you know i'm i'm

2790
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:14,320
saying those things now sometimes the

2791
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:16,000
audience the viewer

2792
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:17,760
can take what i say

2793
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:21,040
to fit their hopium um context

2794
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,080
but um so you know the film but now as

2795
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:26,560
far as my portrayal in that now i have

2796
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:28,000
some issues

2797
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:29,760
with that

2798
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:31,840
aspects of that film and they drumming

2799
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,159
it up though right they have to sell it

2800
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,960
i guess well you look it's kind of funny

2801
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:38,880
i found out later that those two guys

2802
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:41,119
kind of have a um

2803
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:41,840
i

2804
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:57,280
yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah he's

2805
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,800
going to tell you the truth but not just

2806
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:01,199
military guy yeah just love kick green

2807
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:03,840
and oh gee who showed up at ttsa kit

2808
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:05,920
green i've never met green i have no

2809
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:08,239
animus against him personally but it's

2810
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:11,840
funny how you know what he shows up in

2811
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:13,440
all right i got another who trust him

2812
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:15,199
and think he's wonderful another

2813
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:16,560
question here and i don't know what the

2814
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,719
hell he's talking about phil blair says

2815
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:21,199
ask walter what his dad saw and the two

2816
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:24,159
of the the demand does that make sense

2817
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,080
oh god that's uh phillip that's a long

2818
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:28,000
conversation yeah we're wrapping things

2819
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:29,440
up here philip we'll say that's how you

2820
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:31,840
want to talk my dad says he saw is in

2821
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,960
the book shimmering light um and i'll

2822
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,800
gladly come back on sometime in the

2823
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:38,320
future and talk about that book if you

2824
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:41,440
want and answer philip's questions uh

2825
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,119
yeah you know we're starting a book club

2826
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,520
here and i actually i have your book on

2827
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,360
the list i'm starting a book we're

2828
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:48,960
starting a book club here and i'm going

2829
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:51,440
to read portions of certain books and

2830
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,880
then we're going to discuss them so i

2831
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,480
have you on the list

2832
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:56,000
and i want to read this shimmering light

2833
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:57,760
i haven't read the well actually i read

2834
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:01,199
half of it if that makes sense okay

2835
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,400
or something

2836
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:04,239
but there was a while ago

2837
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,119
and that's what first made me go oh no

2838
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:09,040
roswell might have been miss

2839
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:11,360
not aliens and not a balloon either you

2840
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:14,000
know it was like the third tier of my

2841
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,760
rabbit hole run

2842
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:17,199
finding this stuff

2843
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:18,560
well i want to thank you so much for

2844
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:20,560
joining us and trying to shed some light

2845
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:22,880
on what is perhaps one of the greatest

2846
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:25,520
mysteries of american history right i

2847
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:27,920
think so yeah well thank you for having

2848
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:30,159
me on i love coming on and talking with

2849
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:32,400
you and um yeah we always have a good

2850
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:35,199
time mr bosley

2851
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:36,800
i appreciate what you do you know you're

2852
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:39,040
trying to keep things honest and true

2853
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,800
it's you know listen lately i've been

2854
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:42,960
thinking it's such a tough job to try to

2855
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:45,520
do this straight like to try to do it

2856
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,480
and not just put all platforms somebody

2857
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:50,639
talking to aliens or platforms somebody

2858
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:53,280
that's getting abducted every night or

2859
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,119
you know the stories that don't have

2860
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:56,639
proof i could

2861
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,639
i could do a hundred of them and and

2862
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:00,400
certainly we we would increase our

2863
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,080
viewership and we would increase our

2864
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:04,719
reach and and get bigger but to me i'd

2865
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:07,360
rather do it the straight way and see

2866
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:09,040
if we could find the real truth behind

2867
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:11,199
some of these things or at least look i

2868
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,360
may never find the truth about roswell

2869
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:15,360
but i'm going to try i'm going to go i'm

2870
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:17,199
going to talk to the experts like you

2871
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:19,199
like kevin randle like calco if people

2872
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,719
have spent you know some people have

2873
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,880
spent a lot more time than me looking

2874
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:24,880
into these things and trying to see if

2875
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:27,360
we could get to something like

2876
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,199
well here here's the thing we are all

2877
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,760
here i'm one of you guys who

2878
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,840
has these who believes that these

2879
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,000
extraordinary things are real i'm i'm

2880
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,080
one of you believe me but here's what i

2881
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:39,760
found in life and in my professional

2882
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:42,719
life you want to to you want to weed out

2883
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:44,719
the crap the you want to separate the

2884
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:47,280
wheat from the chaff and um

2885
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,960
you want to weed out the crap that's not

2886
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,639
true so that you can get to the stuff

2887
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:52,960
that's real and true because that serves

2888
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:56,080
our quest for for you know

2889
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:58,800
for the truth you know and and when when

2890
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,199
people are muddying those waters with

2891
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:03,119
you know just some knucklehead making up

2892
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,199
a story just because it makes good radio

2893
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:07,119
or whatever so to speak that doesn't

2894
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,880
help that doesn't help any of us who are

2895
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:10,800
sincerely interested

2896
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,480
in this stuff um sure yeah and i've got

2897
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:16,639
i've got some substantial and supportive

2898
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:19,440
evidence that i'm gonna be laying out in

2899
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:22,880
my in my new series comic disclosure

2900
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:25,040
that i think is very compelling that

2901
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,719
might point to the fact that the united

2902
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:28,960
states government purposefully employs

2903
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,840
some of these people helps them

2904
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,840
helps them avoid prosecution for some of

2905
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:35,760
their let's just say less than uh

2906
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,920
scrupulous fundraising activities and

2907
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:39,119
other things

2908
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:41,760
in order to incentivize them to push

2909
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:44,880
certain narratives and to make the study

2910
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:47,520
the serious study of these subjects

2911
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:49,199
sort of laughable and ridiculous there's

2912
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:51,520
not even people laugh when you when

2913
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,360
you're touching a pose as a guy who

2914
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,280
conducted and ran

2915
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,520
opps and stuff which you just laid out

2916
01:48:02,550 --> 01:47:59,920
there anybody who's ever run

2917
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:02,560
an asset or or a source as a law

2918
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,840
enforcement agent or officer um that's

2919
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,440
yeah what you just described there

2920
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:09,440
that's within the realm of reality and

2921
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,600
possibility so i agree with you i i

2922
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:13,600
think there's got to be some

2923
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:15,760
of these people in the community that

2924
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:18,800
yeah definitely um

2925
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,000
were well now i'm not going to say the

2926
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,840
word definitely that that goes against

2927
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:23,040
you know

2928
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:25,840
i i suspect probably

2929
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:29,199
most likely yeah probably most likely uh

2930
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:31,199
you know could be this and so i i would

2931
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:32,960
agree with you because that's not out of

2932
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,400
the realm of

2933
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,639
a possibility at all

2934
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:38,000
all right well i'm going to let you go

2935
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,520
mr bosley and i'm going to wrap up a

2936
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:41,360
little bit of show i'm not going to hold

2937
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,560
you over

2938
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,400
you know because sometimes i will hold

2939
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:46,080
the guest over and then and then talk

2940
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,000
off here but we could do that another

2941
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,480
time or or uh after i finish i have to

2942
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:52,639
just wrap up some show business do it

2943
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:54,480
about the upcoming book clubs and

2944
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:56,000
upcoming guests and a few other things

2945
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,199
and i don't want to keep you any longer

2946
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:59,520
than i have to i do appreciate your time

2947
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:01,679
i'm so glad that your health has uh

2948
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,080
improved and i'm thank you yeah i'm

2949
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,679
keeping my thoughts and prayers and

2950
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:07,360
meditation you know

2951
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,320
some of us

2952
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,400
can do the love and light thing and not

2953
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:12,880
be all woo-woo crazy

2954
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,880
i do think of you and think positive

2955
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:16,800
good things and he lets energy that'll

2956
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:19,599
work for my friend mr bosley

2957
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:22,159
all right i'm gonna throw you out now

2958
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:23,920
i hope we do this again soon you're

2959
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:40,229
greetings and salutations and thank you

2960
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,520
for being here for the 75th roswell

2961
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:46,080
anniversary truth seeker special deep

2962
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:47,199
dive

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2966
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,800
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2967
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,280
attend here i wanted to take a moment to

2968
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:59,599
thank all of our kind and generous

2969
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:01,679
benefactors because people all over the

2970
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:04,719
world send a few bucks in in pledges

2971
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:07,520
either through paypal or through the

2972
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:09,920
super chat down there in the live chat

2973
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:12,800
the money button super stickers uh we

2974
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:16,080
have and take cash at pledges as well i

2975
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,599
want to thank everybody who has signed

2976
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,760
up to be a patreon member because for as

2977
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:21,520
little as a dollar a month you can get

2978
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,320
some extra content from us here

2979
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,480
additionally i'd like to thank the

2980
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,360
channel members who get a bunch of

2981
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,520
youtube benefits as well as all the

2982
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,760
patreon benefits for as little as five

2983
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:35,119
dollars a month

2984
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:37,119
i also wanted to mention

2985
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:39,920
that i have uh something

2986
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:44,719
strange for my friends these are roswell

2987
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,599
wreckage replicas

2988
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:49,920
which i have been making here i also

2989
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:52,400
wanted to mention that for today's

2990
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,520
special event we have prizes for those

2991
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,320
of you pledging thirty dollars or more

2992
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,960
either through cash app paypal or super

2993
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,920
chat

2994
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:03,040
uh and

2995
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,560
this is a

2996
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:06,480
gift that we will be sending everybody

2997
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,480
who pledges 30 or more this is a roswell

2998
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,560
debris replica

2999
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:15,440
and it's designed to look exactly as

3000
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:19,520
jesse marcel and his son had described

3001
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:22,719
this is the so-called ib

3002
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:24,320
wreckage

3003
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:26,960
this is a replica of course

3004
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:29,760
and i'm happy that i'll be able to offer

3005
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,159
these to anybody pledging 30 or more to

3006
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:36,639
our show today this is a just a special

3007
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,400
free gift that we're going to be giving

3008
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,320
you kind and generous people for

3009
01:51:49,150 --> 01:51:42,560
supporting our show

3010
01:52:23,350 --> 01:51:57,910
[Music]

3011
01:52:32,670 --> 01:52:23,360
[Applause]

3012
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:32,680
[Music]

3013
01:53:26,610 --> 01:52:52,210
so

3014
01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:52,629
[Music]

3015
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,950
well greetings and salutations friends

3016
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,800
and welcome back to truth seekers

3017
01:54:02,550 --> 01:53:58,960
tonight i'm so excited because we are

3018
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,560
continuing our new series revisiting

3019
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:04,080
roswell

3020
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:06,159
uh and tonight is going to be a special

3021
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,199
one uh first of all a big

3022
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:11,840
this was big news to me i was watching i

3023
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:15,119
watched tim poole's show almost daily

3024
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:17,920
and uh i tuned in and

3025
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,560
jeremy alien scientist our guest tonight

3026
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:23,280
was on tim poole so big congratulations

3027
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:25,280
to him i mean i think they got a half a

3028
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:27,440
million viewers to tune in and listen to

3029
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:28,719
jeremy

3030
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,360
amazing uh accomplishment that he got to

3031
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:33,520
do that there's hope for us all

3032
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:36,000
and also uh tonight we'll have

3033
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:37,360
our

3034
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:40,639
back again uh kalkorf who is the author

3035
01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:43,119
of the truth about roswell among many

3036
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:46,159
other books uh well-known researcher

3037
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:49,040
into many subjects including roswell i

3038
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:50,400
want to give as much time for our

3039
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,560
discussion uh tonight as possible so uh

3040
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:56,719
without any further ado let's bring in

3041
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,920
our guests uh alien scientist is here

3042
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:01,840
how you doing jeremy

3043
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,040
hey man what's up that intro

3044
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:07,440
oh why wait you don't like it come on

3045
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:08,960
people people just like

3046
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,960
male audience much

3047
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:12,880
yeah maybe i'm gonna do one with male

3048
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,880
strippers because the girls asked if you

3049
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:16,480
you know all right

3050
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:17,599
make it fair

3051
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:19,520
look i want to apologize to you in

3052
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,320
advance because just you just did like

3053
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:25,119
the biggest podcast on earth right and

3054
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:27,840
and now you're on my show slumming it i

3055
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:30,080
know sorry about that and let's bring in

3056
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:31,440
our other guests

3057
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,239
cow corp how you doing mr corp i'm doing

3058
01:55:38,709 --> 01:55:36,159
fine stephen how are you

3059
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:38,719
great great i just feel bad for jeremy

3060
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:40,639
because he was just on literally like

3061
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:43,280
the biggest podcast on earth the biggest

3062
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:45,199
stream show on earth right maybe except

3063
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,400
for rogans right

3064
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:48,560
next to rogan definitely rogan's number

3065
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:51,119
one okay so the second biggest stream

3066
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,880
show on planet earth well now that he

3067
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:54,639
left youtube it's probably the biggest

3068
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:57,040
on youtube it probably is the biggest on

3069
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:58,320
youtube and

3070
01:56:01,990 --> 01:56:00,320
so you know i feel bad for jeremy

3071
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:02,000
because he just was at the top of his

3072
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:03,520
game right

3073
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,840
and now he's now he's i don't know man

3074
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:07,679
with me i should have nailed bob lazar a

3075
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,840
little harder i i think so

3076
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:11,760
it was beautiful

3077
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:14,159
i wanted to be like diplomatic about it

3078
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:15,679
like invite him on to a group of

3079
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:18,080
physicists and let him like really have

3080
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:20,239
it out with some people who know science

3081
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:22,239
because like i've never seen that done

3082
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,360
you know

3083
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,040
yeah absolutely he wouldn't do it he

3084
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:26,880
would not do it he wouldn't even meet

3085
01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:28,480
with uh he wouldn't meet with one he

3086
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:29,679
wouldn't meet with staten friedman

3087
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:31,199
because he knew that stan friedman was a

3088
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:33,040
real nuclear physicist

3089
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:34,960
and not a fake one you know yeah it's

3090
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,920
usually not a good sign

3091
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:39,840
so i don't even know where do we want to

3092
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:42,159
begin i know jeremy's been doing an

3093
01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:44,080
incredible amount of uh

3094
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,880
of research into the town institute

3095
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:48,880
you're the one having kevin randle and

3096
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,199
don schmidt and all these other guys on

3097
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,360
on your show who's the other guy carrie

3098
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:55,360
the one you had on the other night tom

3099
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:57,040
carrey yeah don schmidt hasn't been on

3100
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,320
yet we're still trying to nail down a

3101
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,719
date for him but yeah

3102
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,639
yeah you're trying to expert yourself

3103
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:04,639
now you should no i'm not an expert i'm

3104
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,199
bringing the experts here so that i can

3105
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:09,840
get their opinions in there and their

3106
01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:11,520
beliefs about what

3107
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,599
this is one of the greatest cases

3108
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:15,760
because there's just a volume

3109
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:16,560
of

3110
01:57:20,709 --> 01:57:18,480
material to go through

3111
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,719
it's like impossible to get it all you

3112
01:57:24,629 --> 01:57:22,800
know people are sending me other books

3113
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:24,639
that i never even heard of you know

3114
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,719
right on well hey guess what you got the

3115
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,639
expert here and and i'm the one who

3116
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,199
actually referred him to your show yeah

3117
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:33,119
yeah people don't know this but when i

3118
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:35,040
had michael horn on

3119
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:36,719
uh jeremy reached out to me and he's

3120
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:38,400
like you gotta have kalkworth come on

3121
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:40,320
and bust michael horn's [\h__\h] after

3122
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:41,760
he comes on your show and i went

3123
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:44,000
absolutely and so that started a

3124
01:57:47,910 --> 01:57:45,840
friendship it's thanks to uh it's thanks

3125
01:57:50,390 --> 01:57:47,920
to jeremy here that we got kalkworth to

3126
01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:50,400
come on multiple times now so thanks for

3127
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,910
for real

3128
01:58:01,990 --> 01:57:59,830
so where do you want to begin can we

3129
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:02,000
begin with something about the materials

3130
01:58:05,109 --> 01:58:03,760
because i know you're very focused as a

3131
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:05,119
physicist

3132
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:06,800
and you have an intense interest in

3133
01:58:10,629 --> 01:58:09,119
these materials that people claim were

3134
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:10,639
recovered from

3135
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:12,719
what could have been a crashed alien

3136
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:15,360
spacecraft

3137
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,159
um

3138
01:58:19,830 --> 01:58:18,320
yeah there's a couple different ideas

3139
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,840
about you know those materials and

3140
01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:21,360
certainly like this idea of an

3141
01:58:25,189 --> 01:58:23,280
unbreakable um

3142
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:25,199
foil that's something similar to tin

3143
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:26,719
foil but um

3144
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:28,880
sort of unbreakable or unrippable and

3145
01:58:33,270 --> 01:58:30,560
this may be made of even made of fat

3146
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:33,280
woven fabric on the quantum uh not

3147
01:58:36,709 --> 01:58:35,679
quantum but like nano or micro scale

3148
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:36,719
level

3149
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,119
um with material science uh i think in

3150
01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:41,599
the future these these kind of materials

3151
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:44,480
could be possible um there's also all

3152
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:46,880
kinds of even weirder theories which

3153
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:48,800
are not so outlandish just because some

3154
01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:50,320
of them were proposed by some of the

3155
01:58:55,189 --> 01:58:52,480
smartest people who ever lived including

3156
01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:55,199
uh physicist john von neumann

3157
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:57,440
um

3158
01:59:01,270 --> 01:58:59,360
cal can you mute all your typing just

3159
01:59:03,189 --> 01:59:01,280
real quick oh i'm sorry that's me i

3160
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:03,199
apologize

3161
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:04,880
sorry i'm tweeting out the show i'm

3162
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:06,480
tweeting out the show i saw his hands

3163
01:59:09,189 --> 01:59:07,840
moving so i'm sorry for making the

3164
01:59:11,589 --> 01:59:09,199
accusation

3165
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:11,599
yeah i apologize i should i should i

3166
01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:14,480
should do that but john von neumann um

3167
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:16,159
he was like probably one of the smartest

3168
01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:18,000
men who ever lived arguably he used to

3169
01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:20,000
be known as the human computer he was uh

3170
01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:21,840
one of the guy who actually like built

3171
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:23,920
the firing sequence that made the atomic

3172
01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:26,400
bomb possible and and did most of the

3173
01:59:31,589 --> 01:59:29,280
calculations for the atomic bomb for the

3174
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:31,599
manhattan project he had uh top secret

3175
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:34,320
security clearances in 1947 and would

3176
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:35,760
have been you know probably one of the

3177
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,719
top people in the in their uh field for

3178
01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:40,320
as far as experts that would have been

3179
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:42,560
consulted to go out and look at a craft

3180
01:59:47,589 --> 01:59:44,400
like roswell and it's interesting that

3181
01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:47,599
he published a uh a paper in october uh

3182
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:49,520
or late 1947

3183
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:52,320
um on self-replicating space probes

3184
01:59:56,229 --> 01:59:54,719
and um you know there's i've heard talks

3185
01:59:58,870 --> 01:59:56,239
about you know the machine was trying to

3186
02:00:01,830 --> 01:59:58,880
put itself back together and things like

3187
02:00:02,950 --> 02:00:01,840
things of that nature which which uh

3188
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:02,960
you know

3189
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:05,040
open up all kinds of possibilities for

3190
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:07,440
you know future technology but as well

3191
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:08,480
as you know

3192
02:00:12,149 --> 02:00:10,719
maybe maybe it was a weather balloon

3193
02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:12,159
i don't i don't know whether balloons

3194
02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:13,520
that can put themselves back together

3195
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,320
but

3196
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:16,320
not that there's any uh direct evidence

3197
02:00:20,709 --> 02:00:18,800
of that because um you know as we know

3198
02:00:23,030 --> 02:00:20,719
the air force and the military the

3199
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:23,040
manhattan project involved over 400 000

3200
02:00:26,790 --> 02:00:24,800
people at that time and that was they

3201
02:00:27,910 --> 02:00:26,800
were able to keep secrets very well from

3202
02:00:29,669 --> 02:00:27,920
them

3203
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:29,679
and i think that it's quite possible

3204
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:31,440
given the infrastructure available at

3205
02:00:35,430 --> 02:00:32,560
that time

3206
02:00:37,510 --> 02:00:35,440
um to have kept the secret like this you

3207
02:00:39,910 --> 02:00:37,520
know it's certainly plausible it's not

3208
02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:39,920
outside the realm of possibilities i

3209
02:00:43,830 --> 02:00:41,920
don't i don't believe but again i'm

3210
02:00:46,229 --> 02:00:43,840
after evidence and you know and also

3211
02:00:48,070 --> 02:00:46,239
just educating the public about

3212
02:00:50,629 --> 02:00:48,080
science and what's possible in the

3213
02:00:52,229 --> 02:00:50,639
future as far as aliens go

3214
02:00:55,030 --> 02:00:52,239
you know

3215
02:00:56,790 --> 02:00:55,040
yeah yeah so cal though what do you your

3216
02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:56,800
argument is that it was the mogul

3217
02:01:01,430 --> 02:00:59,840
balloon there was no alien materials

3218
02:01:03,189 --> 02:01:01,440
but what about all the witnesses that

3219
02:01:04,310 --> 02:01:03,199
talk about these strange materials

3220
02:01:05,589 --> 02:01:04,320
wouldn't they know the difference

3221
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:05,599
between

3222
02:01:10,629 --> 02:01:08,480
local balloon parts and uh something

3223
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:10,639
much more exotic like possibly an alien

3224
02:01:14,790 --> 02:01:12,719
spacecraft

3225
02:01:17,430 --> 02:01:14,800
well first of all before answering i'd

3226
02:01:20,470 --> 02:01:17,440
just like to give everyone watching this

3227
02:01:21,910 --> 02:01:20,480
kind of a proper orientation as far as

3228
02:01:23,910 --> 02:01:21,920
where i'm coming from on the issue of

3229
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:23,920
roswell

3230
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:25,520
um

3231
02:01:31,270 --> 02:01:28,080
i've devoted my existence since october

3232
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:31,280
19 1973 to three things conduct original

3233
02:01:35,030 --> 02:01:33,280
research original research is original

3234
02:01:38,950 --> 02:01:35,040
research

3235
02:01:40,950 --> 02:01:38,960
incomplete by others

3236
02:01:43,510 --> 02:01:40,960
or look at existing issues try to

3237
02:01:45,510 --> 02:01:43,520
understand them add further insight do

3238
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:45,520
what i can to help and move on and i

3239
02:01:50,550 --> 02:01:48,320
have been consistent at that

3240
02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:50,560
since 1973.

3241
02:01:55,270 --> 02:01:52,480
i'm also one of the four original

3242
02:01:57,189 --> 02:01:55,280
roswell ufo researchers i'm one of only

3243
02:01:59,189 --> 02:01:57,199
three left alive

3244
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:59,199
and all of them

3245
02:02:01,990 --> 02:02:00,639
except the one that just passed away

3246
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:02,000
stanton friedman

3247
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:04,880
believed that roswell was mobile

3248
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:07,280
the evidence for it has always existed

3249
02:02:12,070 --> 02:02:09,679
in fact the reason i wrote the book i

3250
02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:12,080
did you mentioned kevin randle's book

3251
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:14,400
not mine it's the roswell ufo crash what

3252
02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:15,920
they don't want you to know this is it

3253
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:17,440
here yeah i'm sorry i'm getting a little

3254
02:02:20,390 --> 02:02:18,719
confused there's so many books i

3255
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:20,400
apologize sure

3256
02:02:22,709 --> 02:02:21,920
i'm just letting people know this is the

3257
02:02:24,709 --> 02:02:22,719
book

3258
02:02:26,629 --> 02:02:24,719
this is this was written for one reason

3259
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:26,639
only i call prometheus books because

3260
02:02:30,870 --> 02:02:29,520
they published my billy meyer expose

3261
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:30,880
and i said what are you doing for the

3262
02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:32,719
50th anniversary of roswell i'm just

3263
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:34,480
curious because i had heard that carl

3264
02:02:38,390 --> 02:02:36,560
flock was writing a book but he made the

3265
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:38,400
ridiculous conclusion

3266
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,880
that the ufo slammed into mogul and they

3267
02:02:45,350 --> 02:02:43,280
both came down

3268
02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:45,360
the reason he made that conclusion and

3269
02:02:48,950 --> 02:02:48,000
prometheus rightly rejected that book is

3270
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,960
because

3271
02:02:53,510 --> 02:02:51,440
he was trying to square the lying

3272
02:02:55,430 --> 02:02:53,520
accounts by hoaxers like glenn dennis

3273
02:02:58,310 --> 02:02:55,440
and frank kaufman he didn't believe

3274
02:03:00,790 --> 02:02:58,320
kaufman randall did but glenn dennis he

3275
02:03:02,629 --> 02:03:00,800
wanted to believe he was credible and he

3276
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:02,639
ended up being a hoaxer

3277
02:03:05,669 --> 02:03:03,360
so

3278
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:05,679
uh when i heard what was going on that

3279
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:07,599
every single publisher

3280
02:03:11,430 --> 02:03:09,360
was going to say it was all true and

3281
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:11,440
they were lying i'm being blunt i had

3282
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:13,520
these discussions with publishers okay i

3283
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:14,960
was there

3284
02:03:19,669 --> 02:03:18,000
and we knew that philip corso's book was

3285
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:19,679
coming out it was going to be the best

3286
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:21,119
seller and we knew what he was going to

3287
02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:22,560
say because he was making calls to

3288
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:24,560
everybody asking about roswell because

3289
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:26,400
he was trying to make up and fit his

3290
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:27,920
story together he knew he was dying

3291
02:03:30,629 --> 02:03:29,440
gonna leave some money for his family et

3292
02:03:33,030 --> 02:03:30,639
cetera

3293
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:33,040
okay so all this goes down

3294
02:03:38,070 --> 02:03:34,000
and

3295
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:38,080
record that nobody can deny unless

3296
02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:40,000
they're a denier and the public needs to

3297
02:03:43,910 --> 02:03:41,119
know that

3298
02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:43,920
i am the person that stanton friedman

3299
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:45,840
counted on and bill moore counted on to

3300
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:47,440
be the go-to guy

3301
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:50,560
regarding roswell in a handful of cases

3302
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:53,360
and i have the original photos of the

3303
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:55,599
debris that major jesse marcel signed

3304
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:56,719
off on

3305
02:04:02,149 --> 02:04:00,239
and said this is what was found now

3306
02:04:04,790 --> 02:04:02,159
my book proves that when you look at the

3307
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:04,800
original eyewitnesses from 1947 i'm not

3308
02:04:08,830 --> 02:04:07,040
talking about the hoaxers later

3309
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:08,840
i'm talking about the original

3310
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:11,119
eyewitnesses and it's all in the book

3311
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:13,280
i've got a chart here to share with you

3312
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:15,440
you can see that the testimonies are

3313
02:04:20,629 --> 02:04:18,320
very consistent for a balloon bessie

3314
02:04:22,870 --> 02:04:20,639
brazel said it looked like a balloon

3315
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:22,880
that had burst that is a quote she

3316
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:25,679
remembers putting her wrist through a

3317
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:28,560
ring it was the o ring on the mogul

3318
02:04:32,069 --> 02:04:30,320
array she said she did it because she's

3319
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:32,079
a girl and reminded her of her bracelet

3320
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:34,159
she thought it was cool a lot of guys

3321
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:36,880
wouldn't do that girls apparently do

3322
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:39,040
um la writer proctor was touted as a

3323
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:40,800
witness she only started to claim to be

3324
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:43,440
a witness after her husband floyd died

3325
02:04:47,350 --> 02:04:45,599
in the original testimonies published in

3326
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:47,360
the original roswell incident book by

3327
02:04:50,310 --> 02:04:48,400
bill moore

3328
02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:50,320
um it says very clearly they never saw

3329
02:04:53,109 --> 02:04:51,760
anything because tires were too

3330
02:04:54,870 --> 02:04:53,119
expensive they didn't want to drive all

3331
02:04:57,109 --> 02:04:54,880
the way down there and nothing was

3332
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:57,119
described that made them excited

3333
02:05:00,310 --> 02:04:58,960
um so when you break down all the

3334
02:05:02,470 --> 02:05:00,320
testimonies

3335
02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:02,480
uh you see that the that you have

3336
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:04,480
basically jesse marcel and stanton

3337
02:05:08,470 --> 02:05:06,880
friedman in there basically cooking the

3338
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:08,480
books a bit you look at people who

3339
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:10,960
handled the roswell debris

3340
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:12,800
warrant officer irving newton he met

3341
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:14,560
with professor charles moore years later

3342
02:05:19,109 --> 02:05:17,280
in a discovery channel special he said

3343
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:19,119
point blank this is the material that

3344
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:20,639
was in the office

3345
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:22,320
moore still had some of it

3346
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:24,159
he said yeah that's it you've solved it

3347
02:05:28,069 --> 02:05:26,320
okay so when you you have to separate

3348
02:05:30,069 --> 02:05:28,079
the so-called new roswell eyewitnesses

3349
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:30,079
which are bandwagon jumpers promoted by

3350
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:31,840
people who jumped on the case years

3351
02:05:34,709 --> 02:05:33,440
later these are people like kevin

3352
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:34,719
randall don schmidt they're not the

3353
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:36,960
original researchers versus people who

3354
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:39,280
did the original work and because i saw

3355
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:41,119
those photos in a press event with bill

3356
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:42,800
moore which is a matter of public record

3357
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:44,320
and i've never put that article on the

3358
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:45,840
internet it's on the new expose on

3359
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:47,760
roswell the update

3360
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:49,679
case closed i've got the photos you can

3361
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:52,239
date them our fingerprints are all on it

3362
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:54,400
case closed but what about the debris

3363
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:57,119
switch and we have dubose and marcel

3364
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:59,199
both claiming it that the pictures the

3365
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,280
famous pictures of the debris is not

3366
02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:03,199
what they collected at the ranch is not

3367
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:04,159
what they

3368
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:06,480
no in fact

3369
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:08,800
i have published in not only in my

3370
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:10,639
roswell book but in many articles every

3371
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:12,400
time i've written about this including

3372
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:14,960
in the new uh you know the andy jacobson

3373
02:06:19,270 --> 02:06:17,920
book here uh i reprinted in there

3374
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:19,280
because there's a whole chapter on

3375
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:21,599
roswell what really happened i show him

3376
02:06:26,229 --> 02:06:23,679
saying in three separate interviews he

3377
02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:26,239
says there was no debris switch that's

3378
02:06:30,069 --> 02:06:28,320
bull okay

3379
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:30,079
we talk this is why this is why i have

3380
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:32,400
such difficulty because i have you who's

3381
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:34,639
yeah go ahead i actually agree i agree

3382
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:36,560
with cal i think the chapter in annie

3383
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:39,199
jacobson's book was absolutely wrong um

3384
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,880
in her assessment you know like that

3385
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:42,800
this was a she also said it was like a

3386
02:06:47,589 --> 02:06:45,040
russian hoax and there was like uh

3387
02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:47,599
joseph mengele yeah yeah and all these

3388
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:49,440
and then they were using harlequin baby

3389
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:52,320
bodies for the aliens and stuff um yeah

3390
02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:54,560
i don't i don't i just think don't think

3391
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:56,079
that you mention a couple witnesses like

3392
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,000
frank kaufman and gerald anderson who

3393
02:07:01,830 --> 02:06:59,760
came after and general anderson had

3394
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:01,840
tried to embellish this uh plains of

3395
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:04,079
saint augustine site which was a longer

3396
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:07,280
way away and and um yeah i agree those

3397
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:09,760
those two um both i i've determined both

3398
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:11,760
of those witnesses not to be credible

3399
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:13,119
either

3400
02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:13,840
but

3401
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:15,440
you've got to go back to foundationals

3402
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:17,360
it doesn't matter what the case is and i

3403
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:20,239
have limited my ufo investigations as my

3404
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:22,880
published record shows to binaries the

3405
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:26,079
meyer case it can't be half real you

3406
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:28,079
can't have 30 photos of a pleiadian bean

3407
02:07:31,669 --> 02:07:29,760
chip and only photos five six and seven

3408
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:31,679
are real the rest on the slide roll are

3409
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:34,800
fake physics doesn't work that way so um

3410
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:36,960
okay so they

3411
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:39,040
we looked into the um the photographers

3412
02:07:41,589 --> 02:07:40,320
apparently they brought in some other

3413
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:41,599
photographers you mentioned these

3414
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:43,760
photographers um they didn't use the

3415
02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:45,920
base photography the the photos that

3416
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:48,400
exist of roswell there's none actually

3417
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:50,480
that are in current existing record of

3418
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:52,560
the base from the base we don't have any

3419
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,920
photos in the field and that would be

3420
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:56,000
like typical of of like weather balloons

3421
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:57,199
like right they would go out to the

3422
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:59,119
field and like take pictures of these

3423
02:08:02,310 --> 02:08:00,800
things where they crash and stuff there

3424
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:02,320
might especially one that was reported

3425
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:03,679
in the news to be

3426
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:05,679
you know a flying saucer the next day

3427
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:07,360
that that one really always gets me is

3428
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:08,960
why the meat why where they would why

3429
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:10,880
would they tell the media from art why

3430
02:08:13,510 --> 02:08:12,000
would uh

3431
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:13,520
you know um

3432
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,520
why would they tell the media i forget

3433
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,800
the guy's name that told the media was

3434
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:18,239
that

3435
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:19,040
right

3436
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,719
yeah walter hot yeah he's the guy that

3437
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:22,400
from the roswell arm air force that told

3438
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:23,520
the media

3439
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:26,000
um that there was a a flying saucer you

3440
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:27,840
know that's that's part that has always

3441
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,840
interested me is where the mix-up

3442
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,599
occurred with the flying saucer and the

3443
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,679
weather balloon and why the first you

3444
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:35,199
know intelligence officer who went out

3445
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:36,639
there to the base

3446
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:37,760
you know

3447
02:08:41,990 --> 02:08:39,920
okay later said those things about that

3448
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:42,000
debris and also that memory foil you

3449
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,440
know that that's and why would they

3450
02:08:47,669 --> 02:08:45,599
bring in external photographers when the

3451
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:47,679
base had plenty of their own photographs

3452
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:49,599
why would they use outside photographers

3453
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:50,800
because that would explain why it would

3454
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:52,800
all be on that one reel he said like oh

3455
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:54,159
why wouldn't you know they could have

3456
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:56,400
just used a bunch of other photographers

3457
02:08:58,669 --> 02:08:57,840
and kept the reels separate and kept it

3458
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:58,679
separate it's called

3459
02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:00,320
compartmentalization i mean you're just

3460
02:09:03,910 --> 02:09:02,239
not using your imagination

3461
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:03,920
i understand all right there are several

3462
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:05,760
questions in there including some from

3463
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:08,639
you stephen let me go through this uh a

3464
02:09:12,709 --> 02:09:11,199
little systematically if i can and again

3465
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:12,719
foundationals are everything without

3466
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:14,239
foundations it doesn't matter what's

3467
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:16,880
built on top of it now well let me ask

3468
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:19,199
you and and i'm just curious but have

3469
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:22,239
you read this book yes or no

3470
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:24,400
i i have but years ago

3471
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:26,079
i don't think i've read your book uh i

3472
02:09:30,069 --> 02:09:28,239
would love to read it i just uh i don't

3473
02:09:31,669 --> 02:09:30,079
really you know i'll be happy to have a

3474
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:31,679
copy said the reason i'm asking is

3475
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:34,239
because based on what you're saying and

3476
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,000
and this is not absolutely not a

3477
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,920
criticism in fact i want everyone

3478
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:39,760
watching this to know that i know

3479
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:42,159
nothing about you i've read some of your

3480
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:43,840
posts i'm happy to meet you finally put

3481
02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:46,159
a face with a an alias name alien

3482
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:47,119
scientist

3483
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:50,000
and this is a cold turkey thing i i have

3484
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:51,520
no preparation here i've got a few

3485
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:52,960
things to show people yeah it really

3486
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,920
exists but okay you know so i know one

3487
02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:57,599
of the big things in your book was uh

3488
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:59,760
sheridan cavett and you focus a lot on

3489
02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:02,000
sheridan cabot and newton as you're like

3490
02:10:06,069 --> 02:10:03,679
those are your two prime

3491
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:06,079
no they're not primary now i want to lay

3492
02:10:09,430 --> 02:10:08,159
out my case because you have a look okay

3493
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:09,440
real quickly

3494
02:10:13,910 --> 02:10:11,840
again there were only a handful of

3495
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:13,920
original roswell witnesses they're all

3496
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:16,800
in the original book you've got only a

3497
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:18,239
few you've got

3498
02:10:23,669 --> 02:10:20,960
razzle you've got brazil junior who

3499
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:23,679
wasn't there by the way he lied okay

3500
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:25,119
you've got the daughter she was there

3501
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:27,199
helped collect some of the debris the

3502
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:29,040
proctors were never there never

3503
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:30,480
witnesses they were very clear about

3504
02:10:33,830 --> 02:10:32,719
that but they do remember the phone call

3505
02:10:36,390 --> 02:10:33,840
okay

3506
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:36,400
now then you've got major jessie marcel

3507
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:39,040
marcel said he knew it wasn't what they

3508
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:42,079
told him it was but they never told him

3509
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:44,639
what it really was meaning the material

3510
02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:46,800
on mogul was not classified but its

3511
02:10:51,030 --> 02:10:49,360
purpose was classified

3512
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:51,040
mobile wasn't classified as the

3513
02:10:55,589 --> 02:10:53,679
manhattan project of world war ii it was

3514
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:55,599
not declassified as a matter of

3515
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:58,159
bureaucratic we don't care

3516
02:11:00,870 --> 02:10:59,040
and

3517
02:11:02,709 --> 02:11:00,880
one of the things that became clear

3518
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:02,719
after friedman

3519
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:05,360
began to chase gerald anderson and tie

3520
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,960
in these other stories of the plains of

3521
02:11:11,430 --> 02:11:09,119
san agustin and roswell took the wrong

3522
02:11:13,109 --> 02:11:11,440
turn that's when bill moore started to

3523
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,119
get out of it and he endorsed my

3524
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:15,360
conclusion was mobile and the reason i

3525
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:18,560
found out about it is because of doing

3526
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:21,040
everything from working at kmi

3527
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:22,719
bob lazar did not

3528
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:25,520
and also lawrence livermore lab and

3529
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:27,920
finding out that sometimes absence of

3530
02:11:31,589 --> 02:11:29,920
evidence is evidence of absence the

3531
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:31,599
biggest problem with the so-called

3532
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:34,320
cosmic watergate and it involves roswell

3533
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:36,000
and everything else the disclosure guys

3534
02:11:42,149 --> 02:11:40,159
claim is that mossad spends time on ufos

3535
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:42,159
and makes no logical sense if any of

3536
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:44,320
this is true

3537
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:47,280
so marcel never said until he looked at

3538
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:48,960
the debris photos that's when he started

3539
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:50,800
to change his story and that's when i

3540
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:53,040
took them to friedman and said houston

3541
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:54,400
we have a problem

3542
02:11:57,430 --> 02:11:56,560
how do you how do you know that assad

3543
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:57,440
doesn't

3544
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:59,760
you know investigate ufos because like

3545
02:12:02,790 --> 02:12:01,360
we don't really no one really knows that

3546
02:12:04,709 --> 02:12:02,800
what massage investigates so we didn't

3547
02:12:06,310 --> 02:12:04,719
know that they were like you know using

3548
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:06,320
jeffrey epstein as an agent to gain

3549
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:08,239
intelligence

3550
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:10,000
you know we knew that we knew that in

3551
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:12,320
fact i knew about it because when i did

3552
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:14,639
counter intelligence work over in europe

3553
02:12:19,430 --> 02:12:16,800
for years i worked with israelis and

3554
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:19,440
part of my training was not only that

3555
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:22,400
but um gillane's father he laundered

3556
02:12:25,510 --> 02:12:24,639
money for mossad that's matter of record

3557
02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:25,520
now

3558
02:12:30,550 --> 02:12:28,400
in fact rumors he was he was killed

3559
02:12:32,310 --> 02:12:30,560
instead of uh accident on the boat so

3560
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:32,320
i'm saying but in fairness okay i'll

3561
02:12:38,069 --> 02:12:35,360
like we didn't we the u.s government

3562
02:12:39,910 --> 02:12:38,079
claimed i remember obama famously

3563
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,920
claimed that there was no program

3564
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,000
investigating ufos years later we found

3565
02:12:45,350 --> 02:12:43,840
out yes there is could they have a

3566
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:45,360
program and it would just be a higher

3567
02:12:53,910 --> 02:12:51,510
will happen in 47 let's assume it

3568
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:53,920
happened as even randall claims okay

3569
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:55,360
let's say it all happened i'm wrong i

3570
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:56,639
don't care

3571
02:13:00,310 --> 02:12:58,480
um what matters is the truth and we're

3572
02:13:02,390 --> 02:13:00,320
all after it okay

3573
02:13:04,709 --> 02:13:02,400
how could the jews

3574
02:13:07,589 --> 02:13:04,719
not be involved in that when jewish

3575
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:07,599
scientists dominated and still dominate

3576
02:13:11,189 --> 02:13:09,840
key areas of science

3577
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:11,199
the point is you know who daniel

3578
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:12,960
schachtman is right

3579
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:15,360
who daniel sheckman won the nobel prize

3580
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:17,360
for quasi crystals he did his postdoc at

3581
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:18,800
wright patterson which i thought was

3582
02:13:23,109 --> 02:13:20,960
interesting okay but that doesn't mean

3583
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,119
it's connected to roswell and what i'm

3584
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:25,440
saying is is that there's all kinds of

3585
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:27,360
you know no it doesn't

3586
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:29,599
no what i'm saying no if was a secret

3587
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:31,199
project with scientists to leak the

3588
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:33,119
material out you know it would have

3589
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:34,719
allegedly the material went to wright

3590
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:36,320
patterson and was stored at a facility

3591
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:38,880
underground there that's like where very

3592
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:41,040
very goldwater went after it right not

3593
02:13:43,750 --> 02:13:43,199
exist we know

3594
02:13:46,069 --> 02:13:43,760
right now that

3595
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,079
not exist officially no we we know that

3596
02:13:50,069 --> 02:13:48,400
admiral turkovsky looked at the material

3597
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:50,079
and he said quote this sure looks like

3598
02:13:54,550 --> 02:13:52,159
the stuff you're flying because they

3599
02:13:57,030 --> 02:13:54,560
sent it to him that's the right path

3600
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:57,040
you're talking about he said and told

3601
02:14:01,350 --> 02:13:59,360
people yes this looks like the stuff

3602
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:01,360
you're flying he was on the phone with

3603
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:03,679
more and said this is it it's mobile

3604
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:05,360
then they came up with a weather balloon

3605
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:07,280
story which was a cover story the reason

3606
02:14:11,589 --> 02:14:09,040
the base photographer didn't photograph

3607
02:14:14,229 --> 02:14:11,599
it is because the media was alerted and

3608
02:14:16,069 --> 02:14:14,239
the ap photographer johnson went there

3609
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:16,079
okay he took the photos even helped

3610
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:18,159
position the wreckage what's important

3611
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:19,920
is that none of them described any

3612
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:22,320
exotic materials those claims are

3613
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:24,800
limited to jesse marcel

3614
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:27,119
after he was starting to be nailed for

3615
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:29,520
inconsistencies

3616
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:31,280
i mean was there more than one there was

3617
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:33,199
more than one witness to the materials

3618
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:34,239
though

3619
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:35,920
right in the right in the air forces

3620
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:38,000
roswell report if you go and control f

3621
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,800
for uh sally strickland tottellini she

3622
02:14:45,030 --> 02:14:42,400
said that what bill showed us was a

3623
02:14:47,109 --> 02:14:45,040
piece of what i still think as fabric

3624
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,119
or something like aluminum foil

3625
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:49,440
something like satin

3626
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:51,360
something like well tanned leather in

3627
02:14:56,149 --> 02:14:53,520
its toughness yet it was not precisely

3628
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:56,159
like any of those materials it was about

3629
02:15:01,030 --> 02:14:59,040
other than her word that she was a

3630
02:15:03,350 --> 02:15:01,040
witness there's no evidence to support

3631
02:15:05,669 --> 02:15:03,360
her claim

3632
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:05,679
confiscated at all and threatened all

3633
02:15:09,109 --> 02:15:07,280
the witnesses and then they all spoke

3634
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:09,119
out years later it's just as plausible

3635
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:10,800
of a story

3636
02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:13,119
they were threatened frankie frankie

3637
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:14,960
rowe

3638
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,880
because her daughter is her father was

3639
02:15:20,790 --> 02:15:19,119
in the roswell fire department if they

3640
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:20,800
made runs outside roswell that doesn't

3641
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:22,639
prove they wrong anne dwyer was a member

3642
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,760
of the fire department too

3643
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:27,599
his daughter claims it beverly bean

3644
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:29,760
claims her father was involved too and

3645
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:32,239
he wasn't melvin sheriff wilcox's

3646
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:34,320
daughters you know reported there was a

3647
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:36,560
box full a shoe box full of the material

3648
02:15:40,870 --> 02:15:38,400
and and they said it was they said it

3649
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:40,880
was not like a like it was crumpled up

3650
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:43,280
like a ball and it would unfold itself

3651
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:45,280
and those testimonies don't exist when

3652
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:47,599
the originals were talked to we again

3653
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:50,639
friedman moore tried to find everybody

3654
02:15:53,910 --> 02:15:52,639
and isn't it possible if people were

3655
02:15:56,069 --> 02:15:53,920
threatened that they kept their mouth

3656
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:56,079
shut for a while about it and later told

3657
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:58,000
their story yeah they're so threatened

3658
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:00,239
that they issued a press release to talk

3659
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,800
about it no the claims of threats have

3660
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:04,239
to have evidence

3661
02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:06,560
that would have come after i mean they

3662
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:08,400
you don't that was before like the

3663
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:09,840
higher up so they said it went up the

3664
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:11,440
chain of command it went from you know

3665
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:14,159
blanchard uh over to uh general raymie

3666
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:16,960
at fort worth and then from there to uh

3667
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:19,199
to wright patterson you know like i went

3668
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:20,880
right up the chain of command

3669
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,960
okay let me ask you this

3670
02:16:26,790 --> 02:16:24,800
have you read major jesse marcel's

3671
02:16:28,629 --> 02:16:26,800
military file yes or no

3672
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:28,639
i mean i yeah i know your attempts to

3673
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:30,560
discredit marcel as a witness that's the

3674
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:32,960
best that's all you have left on the

3675
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,200
case wrong you were mischaracterizing

3676
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:36,960
what i'm saying i know how i feel and

3677
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:38,719
think no one speaks for me i do it

3678
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:39,760
myself

3679
02:16:42,790 --> 02:16:41,840
i was the first person to publish his

3680
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,800
file

3681
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,800
because what was in there

3682
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:46,479
needed to be made public

3683
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:48,319
i'll summarize it briefly you can't

3684
02:16:53,589 --> 02:16:50,639
argue with it it is a fact

3685
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,599
it says in there that he was not a pilot

3686
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:55,840
in fact general raymie felt sorry for

3687
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:58,160
him he was written up for exaggerating

3688
02:17:02,309 --> 02:17:00,399
events right after roswell it's in the

3689
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:02,319
report the assistant-based commander

3690
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:03,920
better way to later discredit him if

3691
02:17:08,230 --> 02:17:05,439
there if it was a real event they could

3692
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:08,240
have no i didn't discredit him they said

3693
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:10,800
this person has a tendency to magnify

3694
02:17:14,709 --> 02:17:12,719
problems he's confronted with and that

3695
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:14,719
one day he'll make a fine officer but he

3696
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:16,000
needs some work

3697
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:17,920
for example he's not a rated pilot

3698
02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:19,519
that's a tough

3699
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:21,439
handicap to have when you're

3700
02:17:25,589 --> 02:17:23,519
full of top gun pilots they're the only

3701
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:25,599
nuclear air base at the time

3702
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:28,479
now what happened was marcel lied and

3703
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,000
said he had a bachelor's degree in

3704
02:17:33,589 --> 02:17:32,240
physics i asked for even why didn't you

3705
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:33,599
talk to him about that because you love

3706
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:36,000
physics why didn't you guys

3707
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:38,479
share atomic stories well friedman

3708
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:40,719
dodged the issue because he never had a

3709
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:42,880
bachelor's degree in physics now why

3710
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:44,559
would someone lie about claiming they

3711
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:46,240
have a bachelor's degree in physics even

3712
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:48,000
name the university and turns out it's

3713
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:52,719
not true he said he resigned from the

3714
02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:54,960
military because of all the career

3715
02:17:58,709 --> 02:17:57,040
opportunities in dc in fact he said that

3716
02:18:00,549 --> 02:17:58,719
he had written the announcement on the

3717
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:00,559
radio about the russians blowing off a

3718
02:18:05,830 --> 02:18:03,599
nuke no he didn't truman read a radio

3719
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:05,840
report press report secondly

3720
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,679
marcel left because of a hardship

3721
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:09,760
discharge it says in his file his mother

3722
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:11,599
was not doing well and he needed to take

3723
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:13,599
care of her so as i noted in my book

3724
02:18:17,429 --> 02:18:16,080
there's no shame in that but why make

3725
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:17,439
something up

3726
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:19,679
and then he says he was the only

3727
02:18:24,709 --> 02:18:22,319
survivor being shot down in the pacific

3728
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,719
that isn't true he was never shot down

3729
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,800
he was never an ace he never got five

3730
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:28,399
air medals he got three because he

3731
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:30,319
happened to get on a flight

3732
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:33,280
that uh had saw some action overseas he

3733
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:34,880
was a cartographer

3734
02:18:39,429 --> 02:18:36,800
uh there were other claims he made that

3735
02:18:41,349 --> 02:18:39,439
weren't true even his son said to me

3736
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:41,359
my father did have a tendency to

3737
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:44,880
exaggerate on occasion quote unquote

3738
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:47,040
so these are all in his military files

3739
02:18:51,910 --> 02:18:49,840
they felt bad for him that he got it

3740
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:51,920
wrong and got hyped over it and talked

3741
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,800
to walter hot and even uh marcel said we

3742
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:57,120
had an eager beaver pr officer named hot

3743
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:59,040
and without authorization

3744
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,800
he released that and then he got a

3745
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:02,880
blistering rebuke because the press

3746
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:04,559
started calling the pentagon in dc

3747
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:06,479
saying hey what about this flying disc

3748
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:09,519
and um then they found out that he spoke

3749
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:11,120
without permission and then they

3750
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:12,800
admitted they have it fly the wreckage

3751
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:14,000
and showed it

3752
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:15,519
um

3753
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,760
again this is all in there i i'm the

3754
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,280
first one who got his file along with

3755
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:21,439
bob todd it's all published many pages

3756
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:23,920
of it if his file said anything to

3757
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:25,439
support what he said i would have

3758
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:27,679
published that but it did not and you

3759
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,240
can't ignore that you can't say you have

3760
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:32,399
a degree in physics when you don't and

3761
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:34,080
you make up a university you never went

3762
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:36,399
to that's jim delatoso stuff he doesn't

3763
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:38,399
have a phd from mcgill university either

3764
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:41,040
but he lied and said he did

3765
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:42,960
i was just i just was interested that

3766
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:45,519
the roswell report um kind of

3767
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:49,680
uses newton and also sheridan um cavett

3768
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:51,760
as the two main witnesses to discredit

3769
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:54,160
lazar as well as a witness and and they

3770
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:56,240
used some personal testimony about him

3771
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,439
as a character

3772
02:20:02,389 --> 02:19:59,760
and uh to kind of discredit his his

3773
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:02,399
character but this it wasn't just newton

3774
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,720
um the other cic officer i guess that

3775
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:06,640
went out there with him um was a guy

3776
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:07,520
named

3777
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:09,760
uh bill uh

3778
02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:13,680
i got it written down here it's bill um

3779
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,520
ricky with rickett right

3780
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:17,120
and bill lewis ricketts said like you're

3781
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:17,840
not

3782
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:19,359
something to the effect of that he said

3783
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:21,520
this was a non-event that that cabot

3784
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:23,439
told them both that this was a non-event

3785
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,040
this did not happen and you're not to

3786
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,200
talk about this and then cavett kind of

3787
02:20:31,750 --> 02:20:29,439
later changes his his testimony about

3788
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:31,760
what that was in the um

3789
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:32,560
okay

3790
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:34,160
what he meant by that one could you care

3791
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,920
to explain and unravel

3792
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:38,240
unpack that for us no problem

3793
02:20:41,990 --> 02:20:40,560
i lived in washington cavett lived in

3794
02:20:44,870 --> 02:20:42,000
washington i worked at boeing at the

3795
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:44,880
time we spoke i also appeared on

3796
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:47,680
msnbc all day 50th anniversary roswell

3797
02:20:50,790 --> 02:20:49,680
special where we went through all this

3798
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:50,800
with uh

3799
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:53,840
captain and then lieutenant mcandrew he

3800
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,200
was on the show

3801
02:20:59,030 --> 02:20:57,359
long story short is this

3802
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,040
kevin met with several roswell

3803
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:01,680
researchers they pissed him off as he

3804
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:04,160
said on the record they wanted to

3805
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:07,200
believe so badly so he

3806
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:08,800
messed with them a little bit yeah you

3807
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:11,120
right you put down whatever so then what

3808
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:13,040
is when the air force called him and

3809
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:15,359
went to see him they're like well why

3810
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:17,439
don't we go on record and and kind of

3811
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:18,880
straighten this out because mcandrew

3812
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:21,120
said on the show you can't call a person

3813
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:23,840
a liar in a government report and i was

3814
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:27,040
criticizing mcandrew for not being blunt

3815
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:28,880
here he is saying they're lying without

3816
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:31,040
using the l word and i just thought that

3817
02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:33,120
was there's enough readers out there who

3818
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:34,240
are gonna

3819
02:21:38,309 --> 02:21:35,840
use that as well he's not saying he's

3820
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:38,319
lying even though it's obvious he was so

3821
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:40,479
uh what happened is kavit said it looked

3822
02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:42,479
like somebody's balloon it wasn't a big

3823
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:44,319
deal he was pissed off they wasted their

3824
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:45,760
time because it took a while to get out

3825
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:46,479
there

3826
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:49,040
rickett made up a lot of stuff he loved

3827
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:51,200
a good fish story in fact he made up

3828
02:21:57,510 --> 02:21:54,720
stuff about investigating ufos with dr

3829
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:57,520
uh alvarez luis alvarez who wasn't

3830
02:22:01,590 --> 02:21:59,439
involved in roswell either but he was

3831
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:01,600
out trying to find meteorites he had a

3832
02:22:06,870 --> 02:22:04,080
ufo sighting because there was a green

3833
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,880
fireball phenomenon going on at the time

3834
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:08,399
and they thought maybe

3835
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:10,080
this might explain some of the sightings

3836
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:11,680
it did explain some of the sightings but

3837
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:14,160
the green fireballs were ultimately

3838
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:15,920
figured out to be astronomical

3839
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:19,359
phenomenon um you know not

3840
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:21,600
spaceships so those are those two

3841
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:23,920
witnesses again this is all old material

3842
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:26,240
that was proven in the 90s

3843
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:28,000
and it's been out there for years what

3844
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:30,399
has happened is there's been a couple 20

3845
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:32,319
years or so have gone by i haven't been

3846
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:33,680
in the country i haven't dealt with this

3847
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:35,439
stuff and it's just like stanton

3848
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:37,040
friedman warned me about as a kid and

3849
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:39,439
you may remember these words he said new

3850
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:42,080
ideas come into being not because people

3851
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:43,920
accept them but because their opponents

3852
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:44,720
die

3853
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:46,479
and a new generation is born that is

3854
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,560
accustomed to them and he's paraphrasing

3855
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:50,960
the great max blank he said cal this is

3856
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:52,720
going to happen with ufos especially you

3857
02:22:56,389 --> 02:22:54,479
know he was looking forward to the day

3858
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,399
when all the evil debunkers and skeptics

3859
02:23:00,469 --> 02:22:58,640
died so that

3860
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:00,479
this thing could turn their way i was

3861
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:03,520
with watergate 101 you know and they all

3862
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:05,680
want that they'd have a field day right

3863
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:07,920
the other side wants it too you know i

3864
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:09,920
had good conversations with phil class

3865
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,080
and he told me point blank that if he

3866
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:13,920
could find anything he would love it

3867
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:15,920
because he works at aviation week there

3868
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:18,399
were other ufo researchers uh you know

3869
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:20,800
hardcore atheists where the idea of

3870
02:23:24,790 --> 02:23:22,640
anything out there is just it's all

3871
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:24,800
human humans the pinnacle of whatever

3872
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:27,359
that that's extremism the other way so

3873
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:29,280
in my long-winded way what i'm saying is

3874
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:31,439
is that all of the core foundational

3875
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:32,479
stuff

3876
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:34,000
where the people who were really there

3877
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:36,640
no question 1947 not the people who said

3878
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:37,920
oh

3879
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:40,240
now i'm saying i was there none of that

3880
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:42,880
has held up and we have those photos we

3881
02:23:47,830 --> 02:23:44,960
were the first i was the first

3882
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:47,840
to to analyze the rainy memo from these

3883
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:49,840
photos bill moore gave me because they

3884
02:23:53,190 --> 02:23:52,160
were made from the best the original

3885
02:23:54,950 --> 02:23:53,200
snakes

3886
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:54,960
and that's why when others talk about

3887
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:56,800
molecular properties getting down in

3888
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,520
there it's raw shocks it's not credible

3889
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:01,280
i'll give these photos up to anybody to

3890
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:03,200
enhance them they won't find any secret

3891
02:24:07,110 --> 02:24:04,960
hidden message there it's complete

3892
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:07,120
[\h__\h] and we dealt with this in the

3893
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:09,680
80s and it's it's frustrating to see

3894
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:11,840
people yeah there's nothing actionable

3895
02:24:15,670 --> 02:24:14,000
that can be resolved from that and it's

3896
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:15,680
it's it turns into a game of

3897
02:24:19,510 --> 02:24:17,120
cryptography where you're just trying to

3898
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:19,520
crack a blurry message and to mean we're

3899
02:24:22,389 --> 02:24:21,040
seeing what you want to see

3900
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:22,399
whatever you want

3901
02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:26,000
periadolia yeah so uh to me one of the

3902
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:28,000
big strikes against roswell happening

3903
02:24:33,110 --> 02:24:30,479
the way people claim okay

3904
02:24:35,510 --> 02:24:33,120
is the fact that when i lived overseas

3905
02:24:38,389 --> 02:24:35,520
and was in uh over two dozen different

3906
02:24:40,150 --> 02:24:38,399
countries talked to all kinds of people

3907
02:24:41,110 --> 02:24:40,160
who were in the cold war and everything

3908
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:41,120
else

3909
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:43,040
uh a whole lot of stuff came out even

3910
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:45,120
even information that the kgb is the one

3911
02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:46,800
that planted in france the rumors that

3912
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:48,720
kennedy was killed by a conspiracy they

3913
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:50,240
planted them in communist controlled

3914
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:51,760
unions it gained traction through mark

3915
02:24:55,429 --> 02:24:53,680
lane ended up in the u.s and next thing

3916
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:55,439
you know it's the granddaddy of all

3917
02:24:58,309 --> 02:24:56,399
conspiracies

3918
02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:58,319
and jim garrison's investigating it

3919
02:25:00,870 --> 02:24:59,040
right

3920
02:25:03,590 --> 02:25:00,880
exactly all that stuff so

3921
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:03,600
um having been involved in this you know

3922
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:06,720
since october 19 1973 when started all

3923
02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:09,280
this having been mentored by freeman

3924
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:11,200
heineke all these guys

3925
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:12,399
um

3926
02:25:17,190 --> 02:25:14,399
again i can only tell you what happened

3927
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:17,200
and if if the foundationals don't hold

3928
02:25:23,110 --> 02:25:20,560
up it literally doesn't matter

3929
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:23,120
what someone says after the fact if

3930
02:25:27,750 --> 02:25:25,120
meyer never had a one contact with

3931
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,760
samyazi it doesn't matter what his photo

3932
02:25:34,550 --> 02:25:32,630
even if we have to tell us a cow that he

3933
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:34,560
got to meet stanton friedman though man

3934
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:36,000
you were like your picture with him at

3935
02:25:39,670 --> 02:25:38,319
like 17 years old that yeah that's

3936
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:39,680
pretty cool you've been you've been in

3937
02:25:45,750 --> 02:25:42,640
this a long time yeah i might have i was

3938
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:45,760
a kid at 13. i started lecturing because

3939
02:25:50,389 --> 02:25:48,240
of him i saw him i came back to my

3940
02:25:52,070 --> 02:25:50,399
teacher all excited i said wow a lecture

3941
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:52,080
i never knew as a kid there was such a

3942
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:53,840
thing and i said i know everything he's

3943
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:55,439
saying i could lecture he goes well go

3944
02:25:58,870 --> 02:25:57,439
ahead next thing i know i'm i'm doing

3945
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:58,880
hundreds of lectures thousands of them

3946
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:01,120
actually um over the years okay if we

3947
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:03,280
take if we take marcel's eyewitness

3948
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:06,399
testimony about the debris away there's

3949
02:26:10,309 --> 02:26:07,920
still there's still an awful lot of

3950
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:10,319
people that claimed that these materials

3951
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:12,640
had all these strange properties we have

3952
02:26:14,870 --> 02:26:13,359
the

3953
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,880
but but look at a lot of people on

3954
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:16,560
record i mean there's the guys sergeant

3955
02:26:20,710 --> 02:26:19,200
leroy's wife uh apparently someone

3956
02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:20,720
interviewed these someone went and like

3957
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:22,000
tracked a lot of these witnesses down

3958
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,160
because a lot of time per period passed

3959
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:25,840
and and so like a lot of these guys died

3960
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:27,439
in like the 80s and 90s because they

3961
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:29,600
would have been 80 and 90 years old

3962
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:30,479
yeah

3963
02:26:35,190 --> 02:26:32,319
i want you to know i mean i've got

3964
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:35,200
tables on my other monitors here of

3965
02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:37,040
you know the claim is there's hundreds

3966
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:39,200
of witnesses which is not true again

3967
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:41,600
look at the first 11 which are core

3968
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:43,439
everyone agrees these guys were there

3969
02:26:47,429 --> 02:26:45,600
mac brazil touched the debris

3970
02:26:49,590 --> 02:26:47,439
kite foil and rubber that is his

3971
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:49,600
published descriptions in

3972
02:26:53,429 --> 02:26:50,880
what about the sergeants the three

3973
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:53,439
sergeants like dude

3974
02:26:56,950 --> 02:26:55,040
apparently they brought just sergeants

3975
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,960
out they didn't bring like soldiers uh

3976
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,560
it was the fire department and a bunch

3977
02:27:03,030 --> 02:27:00,240
of sergeants who were who they were the

3978
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:03,040
only ones who were brought out to um

3979
02:27:07,429 --> 02:27:05,359
there was no fire department in fact the

3980
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:07,439
reason that the two cic agents came

3981
02:27:11,830 --> 02:27:09,680
along is because blanchard told marcel

3982
02:27:14,230 --> 02:27:11,840
as the senior intelligence officer i've

3983
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:14,240
got two cic agents to sign you take them

3984
02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:16,240
with you go out and see what it is he

3985
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:17,920
was thinking it might be a military

3986
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:19,520
saying they didn't know because things

3987
02:27:24,309 --> 02:27:21,760
were flying all over because there were

3988
02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:24,319
these uh radar targets they were

3989
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:25,600
seen across the country there were

3990
02:27:31,030 --> 02:27:28,319
rewards for them in fact mogul itself

3991
02:27:33,110 --> 02:27:31,040
had a uh bright uh they offered 50

3992
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:33,120
reward as i recall if you found any

3993
02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:34,720
piece of it and had a tag on it you had

3994
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:36,479
to turn in the tag to prove it was

3995
02:27:39,910 --> 02:27:38,160
really from them because they wanted

3996
02:27:42,389 --> 02:27:39,920
some of the instruments back

3997
02:27:44,389 --> 02:27:42,399
what about marcel jr and his description

3998
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:44,399
of what may be hieroglyphics i mean

3999
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:46,640
there's not hieroglyphics written on uh

4000
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:49,120
on on mobile balloons is there i'll get

4001
02:27:53,590 --> 02:27:51,040
to that just a second mac brazil touched

4002
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:53,600
a breeze kite foil rubber his own words

4003
02:27:57,910 --> 02:27:55,600
when he said he found it in mid-june

4004
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:57,920
that fits a mobile launch window july

4005
02:28:03,110 --> 02:28:00,240
4th was a made-up date by the way uh

4006
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:03,120
they're patriotic those aliens uh

4007
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:04,960
bessie brazil touched the debris says a

4008
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:06,720
balloon which had burst quote unquote

4009
02:28:10,710 --> 02:28:08,560
major jesse marcel touched the debris

4010
02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:10,720
said it was indestructible

4011
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,280
okay well there's one claim that stands

4012
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:15,280
different from the other originals so

4013
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:16,080
far

4014
02:28:20,389 --> 02:28:18,640
jesse marcel jr touched the debris

4015
02:28:22,150 --> 02:28:20,399
he said when he looked at the photos

4016
02:28:23,990 --> 02:28:22,160
that this looks like the stuff that was

4017
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:24,000
on the floor he also said

4018
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:25,359
there was nothing in there that was

4019
02:28:28,469 --> 02:28:26,640
indestructible

4020
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:28,479
that couldn't be bent with a 16-pound

4021
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:30,000
sledgehammer he never gave that

4022
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:32,560
description in fact major as i my book

4023
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:34,960
proves major jesse marcel senior or you

4024
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:36,720
know his father said that there were

4025
02:28:41,349 --> 02:28:40,080
square sticks that the foil was uh

4026
02:28:44,070 --> 02:28:41,359
attached to

4027
02:28:46,950 --> 02:28:44,080
uh square sticks are in mobile jesse

4028
02:28:49,349 --> 02:28:46,960
marcel jr when he was confronted with

4029
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:49,359
that fact about mobile and shown the

4030
02:28:53,990 --> 02:28:51,040
engineering blueprints for the first

4031
02:28:56,870 --> 02:28:54,000
time in the 90s he said oh uh there were

4032
02:28:59,590 --> 02:28:56,880
i-beams and he was exposed for changing

4033
02:29:01,670 --> 02:28:59,600
his story in fact he even changed the

4034
02:29:04,870 --> 02:29:01,680
design of the hieroglyphs he claims he

4035
02:29:06,870 --> 02:29:04,880
saw once he saw the tape from the toy

4036
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:06,880
factory that was used with those pink

4037
02:29:11,429 --> 02:29:09,040
symbols on it they were pink that were

4038
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:11,439
random as part of tape they used cheap

4039
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:13,600
materials again he changed the story

4040
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:15,439
there are published articles exposing it

4041
02:29:19,590 --> 02:29:17,040
it's in my book

4042
02:29:22,389 --> 02:29:19,600
and major jesse marcel

4043
02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:22,399
again in junior admitted his father had

4044
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:25,040
a tendency to exaggerate on occasion he

4045
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:28,560
was asked me and one other person

4046
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:31,280
what he could do to try to help save his

4047
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:33,359
father's reputation

4048
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:35,280
the answer was the record's out his

4049
02:29:39,910 --> 02:29:37,680
military files released that's it no

4050
02:29:42,309 --> 02:29:39,920
more that nothing else needs to be said

4051
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:42,319
take it or leave it it's here folks and

4052
02:29:46,070 --> 02:29:44,720
anybody could have gotten in file

4053
02:29:48,630 --> 02:29:46,080
if they bothered

4054
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:48,640
sergeant leroy wallace and uh sergeant

4055
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:51,040
charles randall um people went and

4056
02:29:55,110 --> 02:29:53,040
interviewed them their families later

4057
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:55,120
afterwards his wife said that he

4058
02:29:59,590 --> 02:29:57,120
reported coming back from the scene and

4059
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:59,600
scrubbing his uh hands with lye soap for

4060
02:30:02,870 --> 02:30:01,439
10 days straight

4061
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:02,880
exclaiming that he shouldn't have never

4062
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:04,640
touched this material that something was

4063
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:06,479
on it that got on his hands he felt like

4064
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:08,720
he shouldn't have handled it

4065
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:10,960
well we knew that whatever was recovered

4066
02:30:16,790 --> 02:30:13,280
was handled by plenty of people and they

4067
02:30:18,469 --> 02:30:16,800
lived a normal life and died naturally

4068
02:30:20,230 --> 02:30:18,479
jared and cavett touched it louis

4069
02:30:22,550 --> 02:30:20,240
rickett touched it james bond johnson

4070
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,560
touched it irving newton touched it he's

4071
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:24,479
in the photos professor charles moore

4072
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:26,000
well we don't know that irving newton

4073
02:30:29,510 --> 02:30:27,600
touched it because irvin newton was just

4074
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:29,520
brought into the ra he was just brought

4075
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:30,960
into the press office to the weather

4076
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,720
balloon that was in raymie's office i

4077
02:30:37,030 --> 02:30:34,160
mean they could have done the material

4078
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:37,040
switch beforehand no we do know sheridan

4079
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:39,200
cavett said he personally

4080
02:30:42,309 --> 02:30:40,720
went up to the plane

4081
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:42,319
yeah that's sheridan cavett but newton

4082
02:30:45,990 --> 02:30:43,920
was newton's at right field because the

4083
02:30:48,790 --> 02:30:46,000
stuff was flown from roswell to right

4084
02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:48,800
field and then at right field is where i

4085
02:30:53,510 --> 02:30:51,439
mean not right field sorry at um fort

4086
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,520
worth texas he's the base weather

4087
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:55,680
officer so raymie calls him up and says

4088
02:30:59,990 --> 02:30:57,760
get your ass down here quote unquote

4089
02:31:02,790 --> 02:31:00,000
comment commandeer a car in my name if

4090
02:31:04,389 --> 02:31:02,800
you have to quote unquote he did he came

4091
02:31:05,990 --> 02:31:04,399
there and he said this just came off the

4092
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:06,000
plane from roswell

4093
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:09,120
from uh kavit and marcel what is it he

4094
02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:11,600
identifies it cold turkey he poses with

4095
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:13,600
it there was another that's not true

4096
02:31:17,429 --> 02:31:15,359
no it is that's in the report

4097
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:17,439
according to who

4098
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:18,880
what are you saying isn't true that he

4099
02:31:22,630 --> 02:31:20,640
wasn't there

4100
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:22,640
no he newton went into the they had

4101
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:24,479
already had this weather balloon set up

4102
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:26,000
he brought in they brought newton into

4103
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:27,520
the press saw irving newton went into

4104
02:31:31,349 --> 02:31:28,800
the press

4105
02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:31,359
at fort worth where raymie already had

4106
02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:33,040
this weather balloon all set up he

4107
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:35,200
didn't take the material off the plane

4108
02:31:38,870 --> 02:31:36,560
and

4109
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:38,880
i said cavett took it cavett took it the

4110
02:31:43,670 --> 02:31:41,120
skilled envelope his own words three

4111
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:43,680
separate interviews affidavits he took

4112
02:31:49,510 --> 02:31:46,720
the material sealed in the envelope from

4113
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:49,520
marcel he's also the guy that you know

4114
02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:51,120
um

4115
02:31:54,389 --> 02:31:52,560
accused of being like leading the

4116
02:31:56,870 --> 02:31:54,399
cover-up and like participating in the

4117
02:31:58,790 --> 02:31:56,880
cover-up for that's true yeah mr

4118
02:32:01,270 --> 02:31:58,800
friedman told me personally that that

4119
02:32:03,429 --> 02:32:01,280
guy was the was that that guy's no good

4120
02:32:06,230 --> 02:32:03,439
you know yeah that guy was that guy was

4121
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:06,240
part of the cover-up

4122
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:07,520
if we're to believe that there was a

4123
02:32:11,349 --> 02:32:09,520
cover it's either i believe

4124
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:11,359
i believe these two guys irving newton

4125
02:32:14,469 --> 02:32:12,880
and sheridan cavador i believe all these

4126
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:14,479
other witnesses either like one of the

4127
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:15,760
two are lying

4128
02:32:18,469 --> 02:32:17,120
you know what i mean

4129
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:18,479
that's kind of what i look at i'm like

4130
02:32:21,750 --> 02:32:20,240
and i believe i have a lot more reason

4131
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:21,760
to believe all these townspeople who

4132
02:32:25,670 --> 02:32:23,760
didn't speak for 30 years because of you

4133
02:32:27,429 --> 02:32:25,680
know they were told to join up about it

4134
02:32:30,309 --> 02:32:27,439
okay there's some confusion here

4135
02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:30,319
gentlemen all of us have misspoke

4136
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:33,120
you have confused cavett with dubose

4137
02:32:41,510 --> 02:32:35,040
colonel dubose

4138
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:41,520
marcel from the b-29 escort he was the

4139
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:44,960
adjutant to raymie he what okay

4140
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:47,200
both dubois said he did have a video of

4141
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:48,960
dubose saying it was a there was a

4142
02:32:54,070 --> 02:32:53,120
material switch he's well

4143
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:54,080
says

4144
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:56,000
in three separate interviews even with

4145
02:33:01,910 --> 02:32:59,040
randall oh bold that debris was never

4146
02:33:04,870 --> 02:33:01,920
switched we spoke to him as well because

4147
02:33:07,670 --> 02:33:04,880
jamie shandera is the one who started to

4148
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:07,680
realize there's a problem here with what

4149
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:09,920
marcel is saying versus these other

4150
02:33:14,389 --> 02:33:12,800
people so here's what happened and

4151
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:14,399
there's other people who know about this

4152
02:33:18,469 --> 02:33:16,080
maybe even randall does

4153
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:18,479
vivian marcel

4154
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,840
his wife was asked about this she said

4155
02:33:25,670 --> 02:33:23,680
there was no exotic anything and

4156
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:25,680
friedman would not include her testimony

4157
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:29,280
i ringed him a new what over that issue

4158
02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:30,640
not only that

4159
02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:32,000
um

4160
02:33:35,349 --> 02:33:33,120
on the

4161
02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:35,359
lack of a debris switch

4162
02:33:40,630 --> 02:33:38,479
newton was called in to identify it

4163
02:33:42,230 --> 02:33:40,640
because he said the press is here let me

4164
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:42,240
call the weather guy

4165
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:44,080
see what he says cold turkey they called

4166
02:33:49,429 --> 02:33:46,720
him commandeer a car in my name he left

4167
02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:49,439
the tower came to raimi's office posed

4168
02:33:52,870 --> 02:33:51,040
for photos with the other photographer

4169
02:33:53,910 --> 02:33:52,880
as well they're all in the photos

4170
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:53,920
together

4171
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:55,040
um

4172
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:57,600
so again if you go back to the original

4173
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:00,720
stuff before they started to retrofit it

4174
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:03,120
well uh that's the less exotic stuff

4175
02:34:06,710 --> 02:34:04,960
that was in the photos oh now you say

4176
02:34:09,349 --> 02:34:06,720
that because we're pointing out that it

4177
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:09,359
matches mogul see this is where the fish

4178
02:34:13,190 --> 02:34:10,880
got bigger

4179
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:13,200
and again you have evidence independent

4180
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:15,520
of roswell it he got written up for it

4181
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:17,840
it's in his military file this officer

4182
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:20,640
has a tendency to magnify problems he's

4183
02:34:24,630 --> 02:34:22,640
confronted with that was written by

4184
02:34:27,990 --> 02:34:24,640
colonel payne jennings the assistant

4185
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:28,000
base commander right after roswell that

4186
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:29,600
was not a

4187
02:34:33,429 --> 02:34:32,240
coincidence so this all has to be

4188
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:33,439
accounted for

4189
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:35,280
but cal all these other towns people

4190
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:37,120
like it's not like they all made a bunch

4191
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:39,200
of money off of making up a story about

4192
02:34:43,030 --> 02:34:41,040
this debris and there's so many

4193
02:34:44,550 --> 02:34:43,040
different witnesses that that testified

4194
02:34:46,630 --> 02:34:44,560
that this was some kind of exotic

4195
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:46,640
material and plus

4196
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,560
these intelligence officers would know a

4197
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:50,240
balloon that's the big problem that i've

4198
02:34:53,429 --> 02:34:51,520
always had they would know what a

4199
02:34:54,309 --> 02:34:53,439
weather balloon is versus the highest

4200
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,319
ranked

4201
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:56,240
the highest ranking guy to ever come

4202
02:35:01,510 --> 02:34:59,120
forward as a witness it was uh i believe

4203
02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:01,520
general arthur exxon and he was the

4204
02:35:05,349 --> 02:35:03,840
right material science guy like at

4205
02:35:06,950 --> 02:35:05,359
wright patterson air force base that

4206
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:06,960
would have received this stuff okay

4207
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:10,080
again it's exposed in this book exxon

4208
02:35:13,429 --> 02:35:11,200
admits

4209
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:13,439
that randall put words in his mouth and

4210
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:15,840
he says you give me more credit for

4211
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:18,240
involvement than i really was he admits

4212
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:20,560
all i did was hear stories i know

4213
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:22,880
nothing firsthand but you'd never know

4214
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:25,439
that if you read every roswell book

4215
02:35:30,630 --> 02:35:27,520
except the ones that publish the full

4216
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:30,640
story because again if the originals

4217
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:34,000
don't work it doesn't matter afterwards

4218
02:35:38,309 --> 02:35:36,880
so how do you square them okay you have

4219
02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:38,319
to say well

4220
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:40,640
they both can't be right so how do you

4221
02:35:46,389 --> 02:35:43,439
explain something later with no proof it

4222
02:35:49,110 --> 02:35:46,399
has no proof exxon said

4223
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:49,120
you gave me more involvement than i

4224
02:35:53,830 --> 02:35:51,760
really was his exact words are published

4225
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:53,840
in this book in his letter to randall

4226
02:35:58,230 --> 02:35:56,479
saying good book but hey you you gave me

4227
02:35:59,830 --> 02:35:58,240
more whatever than i i just heard

4228
02:36:02,469 --> 02:35:59,840
stories that was it

4229
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:02,479
okay that's different than saying he was

4230
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:04,080
he did no

4231
02:36:09,110 --> 02:36:06,880
he said he just heard stories that's all

4232
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,120
and we do know because

4233
02:36:12,790 --> 02:36:11,600
again this became u.s official policy

4234
02:36:15,429 --> 02:36:12,800
after

4235
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:15,439
during the cold war in the late 40s ufos

4236
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:17,200
were then used as a deliberate

4237
02:36:23,190 --> 02:36:19,439
disinformation campaign by the

4238
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:23,200
government and i did a special back in

4239
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:26,000
late 1990s with discovery called secrets

4240
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,080
of area 51 revealed where we talked

4241
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:30,880
about how this was done how the sr-71

4242
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:33,760
blackbird was deliberately flown

4243
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:37,280
uh across pilots to cause ufo sightings

4244
02:36:43,510 --> 02:36:39,600
it was painted silver so they saw a

4245
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:43,520
streaking disk go by mach 5 so of course

4246
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:44,720
it remained unexplained it's

4247
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:46,720
contaminated the blue book files they

4248
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:49,600
were secret flights to cover the ci did

4249
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:51,040
not tell the air force at that time that

4250
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:53,520
that plane existed i believe the tic

4251
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:56,560
tacs today are a hodgepodge of events i

4252
02:37:02,230 --> 02:36:59,120
believe we do have some really gnarly

4253
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:02,240
ass high-powered drones and i do believe

4254
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:04,240
this the incident cannot be taken at

4255
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:05,840
face value because it's got serious

4256
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:08,399
problems and that this is something the

4257
02:37:13,590 --> 02:37:10,800
us government is doing and this ufo task

4258
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:13,600
force is really a task farce

4259
02:37:18,309 --> 02:37:15,760
and how convenient the navy should be in

4260
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:18,319
charge of it since when are ufos a water

4261
02:37:23,510 --> 02:37:20,720
problem they're a space problem the air

4262
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:23,520
force won the territory wars years ago

4263
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:25,760
so why is the navy in there it's because

4264
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:28,240
they've got some underwater toys and

4265
02:37:32,230 --> 02:37:29,680
we've got vehicles that can go in the

4266
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:32,240
air and underwater too so do our enemies

4267
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:34,479
by the way i found evidence of that

4268
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:36,880
when india was trying to join aegis when

4269
02:37:41,510 --> 02:37:38,399
i was working there doing defense

4270
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:43,830
well we could go to the the stories of

4271
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:45,760
the alien bodies then and all these

4272
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:47,439
people who claim that they saw alien

4273
02:37:51,349 --> 02:37:50,080
bodies or took part in you know

4274
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:51,359
knowing that

4275
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:54,160
those people are all lying too no steven

4276
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:56,479
nobody saw any bodies the originals that

4277
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:58,000
happened later even in the roswell

4278
02:38:02,550 --> 02:37:59,600
incident book the reason i showed that

4279
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:02,560
diagram of the hand on the last show

4280
02:38:06,070 --> 02:38:04,479
was because that was taken from len

4281
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:06,080
stringfield's work len stringfeld was

4282
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:07,840
working with marcel as well we were as

4283
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:09,280
well by the way

4284
02:38:14,070 --> 02:38:11,680
um and again i told you and i showed you

4285
02:38:16,469 --> 02:38:14,080
that graphic it's all in the new book by

4286
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:16,479
using anatomical experts we talked to

4287
02:38:19,590 --> 02:38:18,640
all these witnesses the crash retrieval

4288
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:19,600
you know

4289
02:38:23,990 --> 02:38:21,920
uh cases and uh

4290
02:38:26,309 --> 02:38:24,000
we could tell by the anatomy

4291
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:26,319
uh problems that they were not telling

4292
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:28,319
the truth but you have instead of the

4293
02:38:31,910 --> 02:38:30,240
mortician ordered those coffins and

4294
02:38:33,750 --> 02:38:31,920
stuff and then they then they said like

4295
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:33,760
that all the ice was missing from town

4296
02:38:37,590 --> 02:38:35,680
even and all that

4297
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:37,600
bought out all the ice the army came in

4298
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:39,439
and bought out all the ice in the town

4299
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,960
well he said that but he wasn't a

4300
02:38:44,469 --> 02:38:42,960
mortician he was an embalmer there's a

4301
02:38:45,750 --> 02:38:44,479
big difference nobody who's truthful

4302
02:38:47,750 --> 02:38:45,760
would

4303
02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:47,760
make another claim secondly stephen you

4304
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:49,120
mentioned a good point these people

4305
02:38:53,590 --> 02:38:50,880
aren't making all this money that's not

4306
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:53,600
true as i showed in the book and you may

4307
02:38:57,510 --> 02:38:55,520
remember this i checked with the roswell

4308
02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:57,520
mayor's office on the 50th anniversary

4309
02:39:01,910 --> 02:38:59,040
even the press said they're absolutely

4310
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:01,920
giddy because 22 of the city's revenue

4311
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:03,920
comes from hyping roswell they had five

4312
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:06,399
crash sites at the time okay

4313
02:39:11,030 --> 02:39:08,640
and uh like hubecorn that's complete

4314
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:11,040
nonsense so the foster ranch has been

4315
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,240
sold again who knows what's going to

4316
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:14,000
happen to it apparently the new owner

4317
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:15,680
based on what i heard doesn't care about

4318
02:39:19,670 --> 02:39:18,160
it the roswell stuff but the city loves

4319
02:39:23,830 --> 02:39:19,680
roswell because

4320
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:23,840
they for sure or make the city is making

4321
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:25,840
individual witnesses the individual

4322
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,880
witnesses who told their stories

4323
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:31,120
to make money no frank kaufman made a

4324
02:39:35,429 --> 02:39:33,200
lot of money in fact he became world

4325
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:35,439
famous because of randall and he was the

4326
02:39:39,429 --> 02:39:36,880
president of the roswell chamber of

4327
02:39:41,750 --> 02:39:39,439
commerce lucky sucker what

4328
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:41,760
boy he's blessed and his good buddy was

4329
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:43,920
glenn dennis

4330
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:46,479
so there you go what a small world wow

4331
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,319
they all happen i mean just because

4332
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:49,920
there are opportunists and then there's

4333
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:50,960
evidence of

4334
02:39:54,230 --> 02:39:52,560
certain witnesses that lied i don't i

4335
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,240
don't think that means we can just throw

4336
02:39:58,309 --> 02:39:56,479
the entire baby out with the bath water

4337
02:40:00,230 --> 02:39:58,319
i like to i like to still use my

4338
02:40:01,750 --> 02:40:00,240
imagination and say like oh what if you

4339
02:40:03,110 --> 02:40:01,760
know what what would it be what would it

4340
02:40:05,349 --> 02:40:03,120
could it have been like those von

4341
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:05,359
neumann probes was it you know maybe it

4342
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:06,960
wasn't all these alien stories were a

4343
02:40:10,710 --> 02:40:08,800
cover-up just to like cover up what it

4344
02:40:12,790 --> 02:40:10,720
really wasn't like it was just like one

4345
02:40:15,910 --> 02:40:12,800
of these space probes

4346
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:15,920
explained i'm sorry when bill moore the

4347
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:17,600
original author of the roswell incident

4348
02:40:23,110 --> 02:40:18,720
says

4349
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:23,120
what about the twin shogun memo i mean

4350
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:25,279
that there was an air force demo exposed

4351
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:27,920
as a hoax look it up a bob todd exposed

4352
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:30,319
it he found the original it's a copy and

4353
02:40:35,590 --> 02:40:32,640
paste job nobody there's also there's

4354
02:40:37,510 --> 02:40:35,600
also a fbi memo though right that talks

4355
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:37,520
about the recovered flying disk yeah

4356
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:39,760
that talks about the gov the army

4357
02:40:43,190 --> 02:40:41,200
recovered a flying disc and they will

4358
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:43,200
not give us access to it

4359
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:45,120
that doesn't makes that doesn't there

4360
02:40:50,469 --> 02:40:47,760
were two fbi memos okay one was a

4361
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:50,479
paraphrasing of a original press report

4362
02:40:54,710 --> 02:40:53,200
which was inaccurate and you look in

4363
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:54,720
that memo and it says very clearly it's

4364
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:56,800
in the roswell incident book that the

4365
02:41:01,510 --> 02:40:59,040
device looks like something hanging from

4366
02:41:02,630 --> 02:41:01,520
a kite or a balloon okay that's in the

4367
02:41:04,230 --> 02:41:02,640
description

4368
02:41:06,309 --> 02:41:04,240
all right nobody said hey we're

4369
02:41:07,670 --> 02:41:06,319
launching mobile to spy on russia no

4370
02:41:10,309 --> 02:41:07,680
they didn't say that

4371
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:10,319
secondly um the other fbi report was

4372
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:13,920
actually an fbi uh tip informant report

4373
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:16,319
somebody had gone to see frank scully

4374
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:17,840
that's why they talked about three crash

4375
02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:20,399
saucers aztec and so on he was reporting

4376
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:22,880
what he heard him talk about at a ufo

4377
02:41:27,990 --> 02:41:25,600
get-together was concerned and just like

4378
02:41:29,510 --> 02:41:28,000
friedman was reported on by the fbi here

4379
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:29,520
and there because the way he was

4380
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,960
accusing them of

4381
02:41:34,630 --> 02:41:32,880
you know

4382
02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:34,640
being in a cover-up like that some

4383
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:36,399
patriotic americans take that a certain

4384
02:41:39,349 --> 02:41:37,680
way and say well

4385
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:39,359
you know i believe my government i'm

4386
02:41:42,389 --> 02:41:40,880
going to report him or they believe him

4387
02:41:43,990 --> 02:41:42,399
and want to do things against the

4388
02:41:45,190 --> 02:41:44,000
government so those two memos are

4389
02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:45,200
accounted for

4390
02:41:48,309 --> 02:41:46,960
i have to laugh when they get recycled

4391
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:48,319
in the internet every few years

4392
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:51,120
especially by the british press you know

4393
02:41:55,990 --> 02:41:52,800
they tout as a new discovery when it's

4394
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:56,000
old and and uh the shogun memo again was

4395
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:58,160
a copy-paste job it's been exposed you

4396
02:42:01,750 --> 02:42:00,720
can easily google that uh bob todd found

4397
02:42:03,510 --> 02:42:01,760
the original

4398
02:42:05,830 --> 02:42:03,520
and he was the top roswell researcher

4399
02:42:07,349 --> 02:42:05,840
who found mobile i worked with him yeah

4400
02:42:09,429 --> 02:42:07,359
i think um

4401
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:09,439
i might have access to that original and

4402
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:11,600
it's still like it's kind of like

4403
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:14,160
it uses this it was like talking about

4404
02:42:18,389 --> 02:42:16,880
saucer type craft right is that true

4405
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:18,399
they were looking at the port and flying

4406
02:42:21,429 --> 02:42:19,920
v they were asking a lot of questions

4407
02:42:24,070 --> 02:42:21,439
about the location of where the horton

4408
02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:24,080
brothers were what um and we knew know

4409
02:42:27,750 --> 02:42:26,240
that the horton brothers um i believe

4410
02:42:29,030 --> 02:42:27,760
they were working with russian and

4411
02:42:30,790 --> 02:42:29,040
russian the russians or something

4412
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:30,800
russians were developed flying those

4413
02:42:33,269 --> 02:42:32,080
flying bees

4414
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:33,279
but

4415
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:35,439
that was like there was certain parts in

4416
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:37,920
there about you know composites and um

4417
02:42:41,510 --> 02:42:39,439
you know extreme lightweight metals

4418
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:41,520
you're like was that the part that was

4419
02:42:46,469 --> 02:42:44,479
edited in no i again if you look at the

4420
02:42:49,269 --> 02:42:46,479
original shogun memo you will see that

4421
02:42:50,389 --> 02:42:49,279
they have fused together sentences

4422
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:50,399
again

4423
02:42:53,830 --> 02:42:52,640
bill moore was shocked it seemed like it

4424
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:53,840
was like almost like if they had

4425
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:55,120
something but they didn't want to like

4426
02:42:59,590 --> 02:42:57,279
really reveal what they had but also ask

4427
02:43:00,950 --> 02:42:59,600
questions that they like lightly it

4428
02:43:02,630 --> 02:43:00,960
seems like it was almost like coded

4429
02:43:05,429 --> 02:43:02,640
language it's like is this common in

4430
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:05,439
intelligence but why why would why can

4431
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:07,120
you can't make that conclusion you have

4432
02:43:11,429 --> 02:43:08,640
to have evidence that points to that

4433
02:43:13,670 --> 02:43:11,439
conclusion and i know none uh you know

4434
02:43:17,030 --> 02:43:13,680
you've said about captain robert b

4435
02:43:18,950 --> 02:43:17,040
mclaughlin um he's of the us navy labs

4436
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:18,960
uh he reported testing some of this

4437
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:20,960
material at white sands uh proving

4438
02:43:25,429 --> 02:43:23,840
ground for the u.s navy

4439
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:25,439
he said it was a metal-like fabric that

4440
02:43:28,790 --> 02:43:27,120
was indestructible

4441
02:43:30,550 --> 02:43:28,800
they tried to drill it with

4442
02:43:32,550 --> 02:43:30,560
a carbide bit drill and it wouldn't even

4443
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:32,560
drill into it and that's not too

4444
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:34,319
unbelievable i mean we have materials

4445
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:36,080
that are designed to heat up the drill

4446
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:38,000
bit and burn the drill bit out before it

4447
02:43:41,110 --> 02:43:39,520
and it will just burn the drill bit out

4448
02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:41,120
before it will ever wear through

4449
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:43,680
material they have uncuttable metals now

4450
02:43:47,510 --> 02:43:45,680
um so it's not like completely

4451
02:43:48,550 --> 02:43:47,520
unbelievable that these materials could

4452
02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:48,560
exist

4453
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:50,000
okay they just couldn't have been built

4454
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:52,960
by people in 1940 in the 1940s i don't

4455
02:43:57,429 --> 02:43:55,279
believe well first of all

4456
02:43:59,750 --> 02:43:57,439
again what is the evidence he has other

4457
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:59,760
than a claim i'll place a bet in vegas

4458
02:44:03,830 --> 02:44:01,680
he has none because again without

4459
02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:03,840
foundationals it doesn't matter but come

4460
02:44:07,269 --> 02:44:05,520
back to the point i want to ask a

4461
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:07,279
question because i think you may know

4462
02:44:11,429 --> 02:44:09,680
the answer to this i hope you know the

4463
02:44:13,510 --> 02:44:11,439
answer is yes but

4464
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:13,520
the us government one of our closely

4465
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:15,279
guarded secrets and i'm revealing it

4466
02:44:20,230 --> 02:44:17,760
because i found out about it and it is

4467
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:20,240
declassified up to a point if people

4468
02:44:24,870 --> 02:44:21,359
bother

4469
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:24,880
we developed in the 50s a plastic

4470
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:28,160
that could withstand a nuclear explosion

4471
02:44:32,070 --> 02:44:30,240
and there are some military

4472
02:44:33,670 --> 02:44:32,080
installations underground that are

4473
02:44:35,190 --> 02:44:33,680
fortified with it

4474
02:44:37,590 --> 02:44:35,200
and i found out about this many years

4475
02:44:39,110 --> 02:44:37,600
ago and the formula the guy who made it

4476
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:39,120
his name was leaked

4477
02:44:43,830 --> 02:44:41,840
he never saw it again they bought it but

4478
02:44:46,230 --> 02:44:43,840
uh we do have a plastic

4479
02:44:47,349 --> 02:44:46,240
more than one that can withstand the

4480
02:44:50,309 --> 02:44:47,359
thermal

4481
02:44:52,469 --> 02:44:50,319
energy discharge of nukes and that is

4482
02:44:54,550 --> 02:44:52,479
freaking fantastic and it was done in

4483
02:44:57,269 --> 02:44:54,560
the 50s yeah it's a special type of

4484
02:44:58,710 --> 02:44:57,279
line-x right that's like the truck bed

4485
02:45:01,269 --> 02:44:58,720
liner is pretty much made out of the

4486
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:01,279
same kind of idea they use it on like

4487
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:02,640
concrete walls and they shoot like a

4488
02:45:06,309 --> 02:45:04,160
bunker buster missile at it and they

4489
02:45:07,349 --> 02:45:06,319
show like how strong it makes their fort

4490
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:07,359
like

4491
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:09,120
well i don't know the specifics because

4492
02:45:13,830 --> 02:45:11,279
once i found out about it in europe and

4493
02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:13,840
i found out that the formula and what

4494
02:45:16,389 --> 02:45:15,359
it's called is classified i stopped

4495
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:16,399
right there

4496
02:45:20,389 --> 02:45:18,160
i saw footage of the scientist talking

4497
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:20,399
about it he was waxing philosophical

4498
02:45:23,670 --> 02:45:22,000
bittersweet how here was his big

4499
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,680
breakthrough and he can't

4500
02:45:27,670 --> 02:45:25,439
he can't say here it is and make all

4501
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:27,680
this money selling it what was his name

4502
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:30,160
tons of things um i honestly don't

4503
02:45:34,790 --> 02:45:32,720
remember his name i'm sorry it was

4504
02:45:37,110 --> 02:45:34,800
probably 15 years ago in europe but i

4505
02:45:39,990 --> 02:45:37,120
can easily find it it's no biggie

4506
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:40,000
if you could send that to me

4507
02:45:43,590 --> 02:45:41,520
i thought of roswell when i saw that

4508
02:45:44,790 --> 02:45:43,600
years ago because i thought you know

4509
02:45:46,389 --> 02:45:44,800
um

4510
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:46,399
meta materials all that stuff they call

4511
02:45:50,070 --> 02:45:47,680
them now i mean

4512
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:50,080
that's an evolution of the way things

4513
02:45:53,950 --> 02:45:52,479
are going it's obvious that right i i've

4514
02:45:56,150 --> 02:45:53,960
tried to like pin down like

4515
02:45:58,070 --> 02:45:56,160
extraterrestrial origins for this stuff

4516
02:45:59,670 --> 02:45:58,080
and it's you know that that link between

4517
02:46:01,750 --> 02:45:59,680
dan checkman and right pat is like the

4518
02:46:03,910 --> 02:46:01,760
closest i've been able to like come to

4519
02:46:05,429 --> 02:46:03,920
anything that but it's nothing concrete

4520
02:46:08,070 --> 02:46:05,439
you know it's nothing that like

4521
02:46:09,750 --> 02:46:08,080
i gotcha you know anybody you don't have

4522
02:46:12,790 --> 02:46:09,760
the smoking gun but you have a lot of

4523
02:46:14,950 --> 02:46:12,800
smoke but see those who claim they

4524
02:46:16,630 --> 02:46:14,960
worked on the smoking gun or had it held

4525
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:16,640
it in their hands or smoked the smoking

4526
02:46:19,110 --> 02:46:18,319
gun or whatever they claim

4527
02:46:20,550 --> 02:46:19,120
um

4528
02:46:22,710 --> 02:46:20,560
they need to produce some sort of

4529
02:46:24,469 --> 02:46:22,720
evidence otherwise you've got nothing it

4530
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:24,479
could be therefore it is doesn't prove

4531
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:26,240
it is well does it make sense though

4532
02:46:29,670 --> 02:46:27,520
that the government would just let

4533
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:29,680
people walk out of the installation

4534
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:32,000
that's top secret with alien materials

4535
02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:33,680
so they could have proof

4536
02:46:38,309 --> 02:46:35,600
no or that you know

4537
02:46:40,230 --> 02:46:38,319
so asking them for proof and and listen

4538
02:46:42,070 --> 02:46:40,240
with with all due respect hell i think

4539
02:46:44,070 --> 02:46:42,080
you're incredibly dismissive of all

4540
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:44,080
these eyewitness testimonies it's just

4541
02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:46,240
like it's just like well they lied and

4542
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:47,920
they made it up and they lied and they

4543
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:50,640
tapped it on later you know like i'll

4544
02:46:53,429 --> 02:46:52,080
issue you this channel there is a lot of

4545
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:53,439
that though there's a lot of people

4546
02:46:57,429 --> 02:46:55,200
there there's a lot of people yeah

4547
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:57,439
absolutely give me any witness let's do

4548
02:47:00,710 --> 02:46:59,040
it point counterpoint right now go for

4549
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:00,720
it cold turkey

4550
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:02,720
well cold turkey you'd beat me at that

4551
02:47:06,950 --> 02:47:05,279
sure i need knowledge go to do it bring

4552
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:06,960
hundreds of witnesses we've pretty much

4553
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:09,200
done that the whole about the past hour

4554
02:47:12,710 --> 02:47:10,000
so

4555
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:12,720
um uh what about like well it proves i'm

4556
02:47:16,950 --> 02:47:14,479
not dismissive if i can tell you what

4557
02:47:19,429 --> 02:47:16,960
really happened it's not dismissive you

4558
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:19,439
may not agree with it or may not like it

4559
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:21,760
i wish they were real too but

4560
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:24,240
i lecture saying it was real because

4561
02:47:28,469 --> 02:47:26,160
that's the evidence that indicated at

4562
02:47:29,910 --> 02:47:28,479
the time i would end on them

4563
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:29,920
saying i believe it was an alien

4564
02:47:33,429 --> 02:47:32,160
spacecraft i just want to play devil's

4565
02:47:35,429 --> 02:47:33,439
advocate you know what i mean i'm just

4566
02:47:36,950 --> 02:47:35,439
trying to like say hey you know like

4567
02:47:39,269 --> 02:47:36,960
maybe you know yeah and you have to

4568
02:47:41,830 --> 02:47:39,279
remember kel too that there's

4569
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:41,840
there's so many information sources and

4570
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:44,479
for the difficulty that i have is that i

4571
02:47:50,309 --> 02:47:47,760
read one story in a book that seems

4572
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:50,319
credible and then i get to your book

4573
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:52,960
that says no that person didn't say that

4574
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:55,279
they said this so it's very diff it's

4575
02:48:00,309 --> 02:47:58,000
like jungling here to go it's like a

4576
02:48:05,190 --> 02:48:03,750
with mr y uh doctor doctor um was it dr

4577
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:05,200
what or dr

4578
02:48:09,750 --> 02:48:07,200
day dr they you know the scene look up

4579
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:09,760
the scene dr they on us x-files season

4580
02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:11,520
10. he says you don't have to you could

4581
02:48:14,710 --> 02:48:13,279
put the truth right out in public and no

4582
02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:14,720
one knows what to believe anymore so

4583
02:48:19,110 --> 02:48:16,640
what does it matter

4584
02:48:21,190 --> 02:48:19,120
well yeah it's just confusing it's just

4585
02:48:23,429 --> 02:48:21,200
confusing because i find a piece of

4586
02:48:25,670 --> 02:48:23,439
evidence and it seems real tantalizing

4587
02:48:27,990 --> 02:48:25,680
this guy said that he was there and then

4588
02:48:29,990 --> 02:48:28,000
we get to another story it's like well

4589
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:30,000
he didn't really say that you know like

4590
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:31,279
this general

4591
02:48:36,870 --> 02:48:34,640
okay arthur exxon put in writing and

4592
02:48:39,750 --> 02:48:36,880
again i quoted from it that's why i was

4593
02:48:41,190 --> 02:48:39,760
able to put it in my book i was shocked

4594
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:41,200
that he tells

4595
02:48:45,750 --> 02:48:43,279
randall in writing that you put words in

4596
02:48:48,469 --> 02:48:45,760
my mouth okay i'm gonna run with that

4597
02:48:51,030 --> 02:48:48,479
because that's what he said now is

4598
02:48:52,550 --> 02:48:51,040
exxon lying or telling the truth i can't

4599
02:48:55,349 --> 02:48:52,560
prove it one way or another but when he

4600
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:55,359
says i didn't say that you put words in

4601
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:57,359
my mouth what am i supposed to do

4602
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:59,840
pretend he did say that no

4603
02:49:02,790 --> 02:49:00,720
so

4604
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:02,800
again i haven't dismissed anybody in

4605
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:04,960
fact i pointed out

4606
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:07,520
the definition of a witness according to

4607
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:09,840
the dictionary most of the people that

4608
02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:11,600
these researchers claim our witnesses

4609
02:49:13,990 --> 02:49:12,720
they're not

4610
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:14,000
with the second there's a lot of

4611
02:49:17,190 --> 02:49:16,160
second-hand witnesses or children of the

4612
02:49:18,630 --> 02:49:17,200
original

4613
02:49:19,830 --> 02:49:18,640
different families

4614
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:19,840
and stuff yeah

4615
02:49:23,830 --> 02:49:20,880
children

4616
02:49:26,150 --> 02:49:23,840
third hand is not a witness okay

4617
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:26,160
it's not it's hearsay you you

4618
02:49:31,269 --> 02:49:29,760
it doesn't work that way so

4619
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:31,279
what about i mean obviously like one of

4620
02:49:34,070 --> 02:49:32,640
the things i identified was like the

4621
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:34,080
scientists because obviously if they it

4622
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:35,840
was an alien spacecraft that crashed

4623
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:37,680
they would have had scientists to look

4624
02:49:40,469 --> 02:49:38,800
at this thing you know they would have

4625
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:40,479
called scientists

4626
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:41,840
of course

4627
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:43,040
and what's that

4628
02:49:47,670 --> 02:49:45,840
many jews yeah yeah so let's talk about

4629
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:47,680
some of those jews that ex you know and

4630
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:49,840
some of them escaped nazi germany in

4631
02:49:54,389 --> 02:49:51,520
operation paper clip

4632
02:49:57,510 --> 02:49:54,399
and um you know one two of them um let's

4633
02:50:00,070 --> 02:49:57,520
uh was dr ernst steinhoff he was a

4634
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:00,080
trusted colleague of um von braun in

4635
02:50:05,910 --> 02:50:04,000
1947 um you know he was you know

4636
02:50:08,070 --> 02:50:05,920
he said that a select group of uh

4637
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:08,080
scientists i don't know where this came

4638
02:50:12,150 --> 02:50:09,840
no that this is not uh sorry i'm trying

4639
02:50:14,630 --> 02:50:12,160
to find this

4640
02:50:17,590 --> 02:50:14,640
let me get this straight so he

4641
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:17,600
apparently steinhoff um

4642
02:50:21,429 --> 02:50:19,600
later on in his life said something

4643
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,439
about you know

4644
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:23,120
one of his one of his family members

4645
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:24,640
asked him about this and he was

4646
02:50:27,750 --> 02:50:26,240
interviewed and he said that he heard

4647
02:50:29,590 --> 02:50:27,760
that some of these materials were taken

4648
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:29,600
to an underground facility at wright

4649
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:31,120
airfield

4650
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:32,720
um and that

4651
02:50:35,990 --> 02:50:34,319
there was a select group of paper clip

4652
02:50:37,590 --> 02:50:36,000
scientists that were taken by federal

4653
02:50:39,830 --> 02:50:37,600
authorities to the new mexican desert

4654
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:39,840
for a purpose left unstated

4655
02:50:43,670 --> 02:50:40,960
um

4656
02:50:46,230 --> 02:50:43,680
one of the guys uh hermann von herman

4657
02:50:48,309 --> 02:50:46,240
oberth who is von braun's mentor

4658
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:48,319
in the in the the american weekly in

4659
02:50:54,230 --> 02:50:51,680
1954 he he said that it is my thesis

4660
02:50:56,230 --> 02:50:54,240
that flying saucers are real and that

4661
02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:56,240
they are spaceships from another solar

4662
02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:58,880
system i think that they are possibly

4663
02:51:02,630 --> 02:51:00,880
are manned by intelligent observers who

4664
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:02,640
are members of a race that may have been

4665
02:51:06,870 --> 02:51:05,040
investigating our earth for centuries

4666
02:51:08,550 --> 02:51:06,880
i think that they possibly have been

4667
02:51:11,349 --> 02:51:08,560
sent out to conduct systematic

4668
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:11,359
long-range investigations first of men

4669
02:51:16,150 --> 02:51:13,680
animals and vegetation and more recently

4670
02:51:18,230 --> 02:51:16,160
of atomic centers armaments and centers

4671
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:18,240
from of armament production they

4672
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:20,880
obviously have not come as invaders

4673
02:51:25,670 --> 02:51:22,960
but i believe that their present mission

4674
02:51:27,190 --> 02:51:25,680
may be one of scientific investigation

4675
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:27,200
that's sort of interesting so that that

4676
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:28,640
some of these paper clips scientists

4677
02:51:32,309 --> 02:51:30,080
were talking about aliens and

4678
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:32,319
extraterrestrials later on towards the

4679
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:33,680
end of their life

4680
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:36,399
walter j h papariel i was a german v2

4681
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:38,160
rocket scientist

4682
02:51:43,510 --> 02:51:41,600
in the 1952 edition of life magazine

4683
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:43,520
said that i'm convinced that saucers

4684
02:51:49,429 --> 02:51:46,800
have an out of this world basis okay but

4685
02:51:51,110 --> 02:51:49,439
in 1952

4686
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:51,120
the cia

4687
02:51:54,469 --> 02:51:52,720
especially

4688
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:54,479
and the air force were involved in a

4689
02:51:57,910 --> 02:51:56,640
deliberate disinformation campaign

4690
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:57,920
because

4691
02:52:02,070 --> 02:51:59,520
and i'm not saying they went out and

4692
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:02,080
caused all the ufo sightings don't even

4693
02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:03,920
go there not you but people who think

4694
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:06,160
that way all or nothing it's ridiculous

4695
02:52:10,710 --> 02:52:08,880
what i'm saying is is this

4696
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:10,720
imagine

4697
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:12,640
aliens came here in the sense of some

4698
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:16,160
crashed saucer the us finds it okay

4699
02:52:19,190 --> 02:52:17,520
obviously they're going to want to cover

4700
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:19,200
it up if they don't make the decision to

4701
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:20,800
tell the whole world hey we've got it

4702
02:52:23,910 --> 02:52:22,720
we've got it you guys don't neenah need

4703
02:52:25,670 --> 02:52:23,920
your neener

4704
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:25,680
all right so then what did they do they

4705
02:52:29,670 --> 02:52:27,600
would try to figure it out okay

4706
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:29,680
there would have to be a bunch of

4707
02:52:34,550 --> 02:52:32,479
changes cause and effect over time that

4708
02:52:36,389 --> 02:52:34,560
would be in response to that even if

4709
02:52:38,389 --> 02:52:36,399
they determined ultimately that it ran

4710
02:52:41,349 --> 02:52:38,399
on as stanton friedman used to joke with

4711
02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:41,359
me an obtainium okay

4712
02:52:45,750 --> 02:52:43,920
so all of these ufo meta material

4713
02:52:47,910 --> 02:52:45,760
physical fragments arts parts all that

4714
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:47,920
other fraudulent stuff that was exposed

4715
02:52:50,389 --> 02:52:48,960
again

4716
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:50,399
in this book

4717
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:52,880
um arts parts is in there too bad linda

4718
02:52:56,389 --> 02:52:54,000
mullen how

4719
02:52:58,790 --> 02:52:56,399
a simple and you you know this very few

4720
02:52:59,910 --> 02:52:58,800
people do who talk about this subject a

4721
02:53:03,990 --> 02:52:59,920
simple

4722
02:53:05,670 --> 02:53:04,000
isotopic ratio analysis of any material

4723
02:53:08,870 --> 02:53:05,680
will prove whether it came from our

4724
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:08,880
system or earth or some alien system if

4725
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:10,640
you don't bother with that test i have

4726
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:12,080
no time for you

4727
02:53:16,309 --> 02:53:13,680
because you're wasting

4728
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:16,319
life existence yeah i will say this on

4729
02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:17,920
the claims that people have alien

4730
02:53:22,150 --> 02:53:20,080
materials you know it's a very simple

4731
02:53:25,110 --> 02:53:22,160
test right it's a very simple test to

4732
02:53:28,309 --> 02:53:26,870
a lot of labs will charge big money for

4733
02:53:29,830 --> 02:53:28,319
that stuff but that's why like that's

4734
02:53:31,030 --> 02:53:29,840
why we're setting up this whole that's

4735
02:53:32,790 --> 02:53:31,040
why kind of like i've linked up with a

4736
02:53:34,870 --> 02:53:32,800
lot of scientists who have access to

4737
02:53:36,230 --> 02:53:34,880
this kind of stuff and we put it out

4738
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:36,240
there that we'll get this material

4739
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:38,560
tested for you for free if it's if yeah

4740
02:53:41,429 --> 02:53:39,760
but i'll be able to look at it under a

4741
02:53:43,110 --> 02:53:41,439
microscope and tell right away whether

4742
02:53:46,070 --> 02:53:43,120
it's something i want to spend the money

4743
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:46,080
to go and put get sem or isotopic you

4744
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:48,319
know spectroscopy on it yeah and one

4745
02:53:51,990 --> 02:53:50,319
thing is i don't know who all your

4746
02:53:53,429 --> 02:53:52,000
contacts are but i have plenty of people

4747
02:53:54,790 --> 02:53:53,439
going back decades some of them are

4748
02:53:56,710 --> 02:53:54,800
still alive

4749
02:53:58,630 --> 02:53:56,720
i'm still younger than some of them and

4750
02:54:01,190 --> 02:53:58,640
um

4751
02:54:03,110 --> 02:54:01,200
it'll be done for free once it passes

4752
02:54:05,590 --> 02:54:03,120
let's call it the [\h__\h] test you know

4753
02:54:07,670 --> 02:54:05,600
what's it right per sniff it is worth

4754
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:07,680
pursuing because you're derelict if you

4755
02:54:11,510 --> 02:54:10,000
don't the yuba tube of brazil samples

4756
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:11,520
are perfect example

4757
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:13,520
i tried to get that thing settled years

4758
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:16,479
ago through the lorenzens because the uh

4759
02:54:20,950 --> 02:54:19,200
images of the spectra reading were there

4760
02:54:23,190 --> 02:54:20,960
on the film we could go back and be

4761
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:23,200
independently tested it turns out that

4762
02:54:27,429 --> 02:54:25,200
the equipment was not sensitive enough

4763
02:54:29,510 --> 02:54:27,439
to detect the impurities that were there

4764
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:29,520
but didn't show up at the time in the

4765
02:54:34,870 --> 02:54:32,479
50s and 60s good job with the equipment

4766
02:54:37,269 --> 02:54:34,880
at the time like fish's star map with

4767
02:54:39,750 --> 02:54:37,279
the leasi star catalog at the time but

4768
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:39,760
later date approved it just didn't hold

4769
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,920
up and it's okay to admit that the

4770
02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:43,520
problem is when you try to make movies

4771
02:54:47,910 --> 02:54:45,600
saying it's true based on stuff that is

4772
02:54:49,429 --> 02:54:47,920
no longer true and that is is getting

4773
02:54:51,910 --> 02:54:49,439
stuck in a loop and that was a problem

4774
02:54:53,670 --> 02:54:51,920
friedman and bryce lavelle have and this

4775
02:54:54,630 --> 02:54:53,680
hype continues in a loop it's now

4776
02:54:56,950 --> 02:54:54,640
working

4777
02:54:59,510 --> 02:54:56,960
miniature alien mummies from peru and

4778
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:59,520
and the like yes exactly

4779
02:55:02,630 --> 02:55:00,960
i hate that stuff

4780
02:55:04,469 --> 02:55:02,640
they made a lot of money you know on

4781
02:55:05,990 --> 02:55:04,479
paper you you know

4782
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:06,000
but um

4783
02:55:08,469 --> 02:55:07,680
what was i gonna say about that but back

4784
02:55:10,230 --> 02:55:08,479
to

4785
02:55:12,550 --> 02:55:10,240
we mentioned like kevin randle and don

4786
02:55:14,550 --> 02:55:12,560
schmidt and some of those guys um i've

4787
02:55:16,950 --> 02:55:14,560
been i was digging into um a lot of

4788
02:55:18,790 --> 02:55:16,960
anthony brigalia's work uh and research

4789
02:55:20,550 --> 02:55:18,800
from the over the past like six months

4790
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:20,560
and he's been like really focused on

4791
02:55:24,870 --> 02:55:22,240
that material side of things which is

4792
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:24,880
why you know his his research kind of

4793
02:55:29,190 --> 02:55:27,359
top caught my eye and i've been sort of

4794
02:55:30,870 --> 02:55:29,200
digging through you know obviously he he

4795
02:55:33,190 --> 02:55:30,880
points out that battelle memorial

4796
02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:33,200
institute was you know the leading

4797
02:55:36,469 --> 02:55:34,560
military industrial complex

4798
02:55:38,150 --> 02:55:36,479
metallurgists at the time and that

4799
02:55:40,630 --> 02:55:38,160
they'd probably be like the number one

4800
02:55:41,830 --> 02:55:40,640
place where you'd bring alien debris if

4801
02:55:43,429 --> 02:55:41,840
you had it

4802
02:55:45,590 --> 02:55:43,439
and um

4803
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:45,600
and then he looks into um you know some

4804
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:47,279
of the patel stuff uh there was a

4805
02:55:51,190 --> 02:55:49,600
metallurgist named elroy john center who

4806
02:55:53,349 --> 02:55:51,200
apparently told his daughter that he had

4807
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:53,359
worked on a material like that memory

4808
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:56,560
foil for or something that was alien and

4809
02:56:01,030 --> 02:55:58,560
while he was at roswell and it was uh

4810
02:56:02,870 --> 02:56:01,040
and he indeed um

4811
02:56:04,630 --> 02:56:02,880
if you look up some of his paperwork and

4812
02:56:07,190 --> 02:56:04,640
some of the research that he did for

4813
02:56:09,269 --> 02:56:07,200
battelle not at roswell but at patel in

4814
02:56:11,670 --> 02:56:09,279
columbus ohio which is which is

4815
02:56:13,349 --> 02:56:11,680
literally 65 miles from dayton ohio

4816
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:13,359
we're right patterson air force bases

4817
02:56:16,550 --> 02:56:14,160
yeah

4818
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:16,560
in close proximity um so it makes sense

4819
02:56:20,550 --> 02:56:18,160
that you know patel would be a place

4820
02:56:22,710 --> 02:56:20,560
that we'd look or or or investigate as

4821
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:22,720
researchers for you know if there was

4822
02:56:26,550 --> 02:56:24,560
indeed you know alien metals that were

4823
02:56:28,950 --> 02:56:26,560
recovered from roswell that's a private

4824
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:28,960
company so for you doesn't work on the

4825
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:30,720
right so you can't foil the you can't

4826
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:32,560
foia documents on it it's done under a

4827
02:56:36,870 --> 02:56:34,720
private corporation and and you can't

4828
02:56:38,389 --> 02:56:36,880
it's unacceptable by foia and it's

4829
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:38,399
interesting that battelle kind of runs

4830
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:40,080
all our national labs and i you know i

4831
02:56:43,990 --> 02:56:42,160
won't go there into conspiracy world too

4832
02:56:45,510 --> 02:56:44,000
deep but um it's certainly not outside

4833
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:45,520
the realm of possibilities that they're

4834
02:56:47,830 --> 02:56:46,800
what they could have been one of these

4835
02:56:51,590 --> 02:56:47,840
players

4836
02:56:52,830 --> 02:56:51,600
um patel has patel is a landmine

4837
02:56:55,190 --> 02:56:52,840
minefield

4838
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,200
because i think the stanton friedman

4839
02:56:59,750 --> 02:56:57,680
yeah project blue book 14 he quoted the

4840
02:57:03,110 --> 02:56:59,760
patel memorial institute study project

4841
02:57:05,349 --> 02:57:03,120
blue book 14 concluding that 19.7

4842
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:05,359
of all reports remain unknown and that

4843
02:57:08,550 --> 02:57:07,120
the unidentified

4844
02:57:10,510 --> 02:57:08,560
and that the um

4845
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:10,520
chances of those being uh

4846
02:57:14,550 --> 02:57:12,960
misinterpretations or misnomes was less

4847
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:14,560
than two percent

4848
02:57:17,190 --> 02:57:16,240
well

4849
02:57:34,070 --> 02:57:17,200
i

4850
02:57:37,190 --> 02:57:34,080
and he showed that

4851
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:37,200
the um uh blue book 14 didn't conclude

4852
02:57:40,950 --> 02:57:39,359
any such thing there was no unusually

4853
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:40,960
high number of unknowns and all other

4854
02:57:44,150 --> 02:57:42,000
stuff

4855
02:57:46,309 --> 02:57:44,160
uh but as far as patel being one of the

4856
02:57:48,389 --> 02:57:46,319
top contractors the whole foia thing

4857
02:57:50,550 --> 02:57:48,399
bigelow being a modern example of how a

4858
02:57:53,269 --> 02:57:50,560
contractor gets stuff that doesn't have

4859
02:57:54,870 --> 02:57:53,279
to be held accountable to transparency

4860
02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:54,880
and foia look at those special

4861
02:57:58,630 --> 02:57:56,800
warehouses and buildings they supposedly

4862
02:58:00,950 --> 02:57:58,640
built for the

4863
02:58:02,469 --> 02:58:00,960
meta materials right which never were

4864
02:58:04,070 --> 02:58:02,479
done but they made the claim and of

4865
02:58:05,590 --> 02:58:04,080
course if you foil you get nowhere and

4866
02:58:08,469 --> 02:58:05,600
they know that

4867
02:58:10,150 --> 02:58:08,479
um the us government business model is a

4868
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:10,160
combination when it serves their

4869
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:11,840
purposes of private enterprise and

4870
02:58:15,429 --> 02:58:13,200
government i know that from my own

4871
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:15,439
firsthand experience real quickly when i

4872
02:58:20,469 --> 02:58:17,680
worked at lawrence livermore lab we lost

4873
02:58:22,150 --> 02:58:20,479
our manager after a few months

4874
02:58:23,269 --> 02:58:22,160
she left because they told her you

4875
02:58:24,469 --> 02:58:23,279
weren't going to get promoted because

4876
02:58:26,150 --> 02:58:24,479
you didn't have a degree and you were a

4877
02:58:29,590 --> 02:58:26,160
woman that's how it was back then it was

4878
02:58:31,510 --> 02:58:29,600
wrong so we had no boss for six months

4879
02:58:33,110 --> 02:58:31,520
we could do anything we wanted i worked

4880
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:33,120
over a year straight without a day off i

4881
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:35,439
got into all kinds of things

4882
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:36,960
because

4883
02:58:40,309 --> 02:58:38,399
i didn't have a clearance but they

4884
02:58:42,230 --> 02:58:40,319
needed a classified view graph tracking

4885
02:58:44,469 --> 02:58:42,240
system written because none existed and

4886
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:44,479
i found that out so i wrote it

4887
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:46,720
and i got to see all kinds of projects

4888
02:58:50,790 --> 02:58:48,720
and stuff that was not accounted for in

4889
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:50,800
the ufo literature i looked all over for

4890
02:58:54,550 --> 02:58:53,200
new mexico sandia as long as livermore

4891
02:58:56,150 --> 02:58:54,560
lab as you know has agreements with

4892
02:58:58,469 --> 02:58:56,160
sandias and it was right across the

4893
02:59:00,710 --> 02:58:58,479
street street that's where they did the

4894
02:59:03,269 --> 02:59:00,720
nuclear you know detonations on the side

4895
02:59:05,990 --> 02:59:03,279
the other side was designing yeah does

4896
02:59:07,750 --> 02:59:06,000
that work you did declassified now cal

4897
02:59:09,349 --> 02:59:07,760
uh the classified view graph tracking

4898
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:09,359
system yeah

4899
02:59:12,469 --> 02:59:10,319
i don't

4900
02:59:16,150 --> 02:59:12,479
know because i wrote it in hyper card

4901
02:59:19,670 --> 02:59:18,230
your computer programmer huh yeah i was

4902
02:59:22,870 --> 02:59:19,680
on the microcard development team so i

4903
02:59:24,150 --> 02:59:22,880
used hypercard as a front end to a vax

4904
02:59:26,070 --> 02:59:24,160
system

4905
02:59:28,150 --> 02:59:26,080
and that's that's how it was done uh

4906
02:59:29,830 --> 02:59:28,160
because i tell people and there was an

4907
02:59:31,030 --> 02:59:29,840
article i showed on steve the last show

4908
02:59:33,429 --> 02:59:31,040
i was on the steam and it's never been

4909
02:59:36,469 --> 02:59:33,439
on the internet i was written up in the

4910
02:59:38,389 --> 02:59:36,479
media for government at ufo buff turns

4911
02:59:40,230 --> 02:59:38,399
his attention to computers and i did all

4912
02:59:41,590 --> 02:59:40,240
this stuff for the government the stuff

4913
02:59:44,630 --> 02:59:41,600
that i'm going to send erica luke's

4914
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:44,640
tonight and stephen uh tomorrow the ufo

4915
02:59:49,190 --> 02:59:46,800
com software is written from these

4916
02:59:50,630 --> 02:59:49,200
binary research and deployment systems i

4917
02:59:52,550 --> 02:59:50,640
did bratz

4918
02:59:53,990 --> 02:59:52,560
uh for years using counter in

4919
02:59:55,830 --> 02:59:54,000
counterterrorism and all these others

4920
02:59:57,590 --> 02:59:55,840
and cal you probably should include

4921
02:59:59,590 --> 02:59:57,600
jeremy in your testing

4922
03:00:02,710 --> 02:59:59,600
absolutely jeremy he's got this really

4923
03:00:05,510 --> 03:00:02,720
great software for research that's just

4924
03:00:07,030 --> 03:00:05,520
it looks great and and uh i think yeah

4925
03:00:09,030 --> 03:00:07,040
what is up with your software i wanted

4926
03:00:10,710 --> 03:00:09,040
to know more about your software yeah

4927
03:00:13,349 --> 03:00:10,720
real quickly because i just want to tell

4928
03:00:14,790 --> 03:00:13,359
people i'm i'm this the deliverables are

4929
03:00:16,870 --> 03:00:14,800
moving this week like i promised on

4930
03:00:19,429 --> 03:00:16,880
steven's show stephen is it possible to

4931
03:00:21,349 --> 03:00:19,439
show a slide here yeah you can share

4932
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:21,359
your screen and then i i just have to

4933
03:00:24,389 --> 03:00:22,880
approve it once you share it so share

4934
03:00:25,750 --> 03:00:24,399
whatever you want to share

4935
03:00:27,750 --> 03:00:25,760
you go down to the middle there and

4936
03:00:28,630 --> 03:00:27,760
click share and then

4937
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:28,640
you know

4938
03:00:31,590 --> 03:00:30,000
choose what you want to share and then

4939
03:00:33,510 --> 03:00:31,600
it'll pop up on my screen and i can

4940
03:00:35,830 --> 03:00:33,520
share it for our audience here

4941
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:35,840
and don't forget to smash that like and

4942
03:00:41,190 --> 03:00:38,720
subscribe button okay

4943
03:00:44,150 --> 03:00:41,200
okay so i'm sharing it okay

4944
03:00:45,830 --> 03:00:44,160
so basically i am sending erica luke's

4945
03:00:47,190 --> 03:00:45,840
i'm gonna call her after the show this

4946
03:00:49,750 --> 03:00:47,200
is her of course

4947
03:00:51,990 --> 03:00:49,760
um she is going to be putting real

4948
03:00:54,550 --> 03:00:52,000
archival material into the software that

4949
03:00:57,110 --> 03:00:54,560
i've written for her i've adapted it

4950
03:01:00,230 --> 03:00:57,120
from she's great by the way i know yeah

4951
03:01:02,870 --> 03:01:00,240
i i just i just got into uh some of her

4952
03:01:05,510 --> 03:01:02,880
shows and have been trying to catch up

4953
03:01:07,429 --> 03:01:05,520
listening while i'm doing other things

4954
03:01:09,750 --> 03:01:07,439
yeah i think she's great too i want to i

4955
03:01:12,150 --> 03:01:09,760
want to reach out to her and uh

4956
03:01:15,429 --> 03:01:12,160
collaborate on some things definitely

4957
03:01:16,710 --> 03:01:15,439
and so uh basically these uh cover many

4958
03:01:18,389 --> 03:01:16,720
different areas you can see down here

4959
03:01:20,070 --> 03:01:18,399
i'm into a lot of different things so

4960
03:01:21,750 --> 03:01:20,080
she's not going to get all those because

4961
03:01:23,750 --> 03:01:21,760
i don't think she's into that stuff but

4962
03:01:25,510 --> 03:01:23,760
she's going to get the ufo software ufo

4963
03:01:27,750 --> 03:01:25,520
comp which is up here

4964
03:01:30,710 --> 03:01:27,760
and it has four

4965
03:01:32,790 --> 03:01:30,720
basic uh areas this is has some five

4966
03:01:34,710 --> 03:01:32,800
records in it this is from the upcoming

4967
03:01:35,910 --> 03:01:34,720
halfling expose book project these

4968
03:01:38,630 --> 03:01:35,920
original photos have never been

4969
03:01:39,990 --> 03:01:38,640
published before and you can see here uh

4970
03:01:41,670 --> 03:01:40,000
on them um

4971
03:01:44,230 --> 03:01:41,680
you know the computer analysis that was

4972
03:01:46,389 --> 03:01:44,240
done back in the 80s way before

4973
03:01:47,990 --> 03:01:46,399
photoshop and the internet existed

4974
03:01:49,590 --> 03:01:48,000
and this is all coming out these are

4975
03:01:51,910 --> 03:01:49,600
from the archives that have been locked

4976
03:01:54,070 --> 03:01:51,920
up and so i'll be talking to her about

4977
03:01:56,230 --> 03:01:54,080
what she wants and what i'll be doing is

4978
03:01:58,150 --> 03:01:56,240
making workflows to help her do her

4979
03:01:59,590 --> 03:01:58,160
thing i also want to say that we're

4980
03:02:02,309 --> 03:01:59,600
starting to ship these here you may

4981
03:02:04,150 --> 03:02:02,319
remember these stevens these are fish

4982
03:02:06,230 --> 03:02:04,160
this is great when you put when you put

4983
03:02:08,950 --> 03:02:06,240
what is it when you put hot coffee in it

4984
03:02:10,710 --> 03:02:08,960
the spaceships appear or disappear right

4985
03:02:13,190 --> 03:02:10,720
actually we haven't released the magic

4986
03:02:14,950 --> 03:02:13,200
mugs yet um okay the magic mugs is what

4987
03:02:16,389 --> 03:02:14,960
i want

4988
03:02:17,670 --> 03:02:16,399
these are conversation mugs they're

4989
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:17,680
going to be on different subjects like

4990
03:02:21,830 --> 03:02:19,680
roswell and all this billy meyer so you

4991
03:02:24,070 --> 03:02:21,840
see the meyer photo here then you see a

4992
03:02:26,309 --> 03:02:24,080
guy running by the recreation of it that

4993
03:02:28,870 --> 03:02:26,319
was done so we tell you exactly how to

4994
03:02:30,469 --> 03:02:28,880
make your own fake ships here is meyer's

4995
03:02:33,190 --> 03:02:30,479
thing going around the tree here's the

4996
03:02:35,190 --> 03:02:33,200
locations i took undercover secretly

4997
03:02:37,590 --> 03:02:35,200
proving that the tree was never there

4998
03:02:39,429 --> 03:02:37,600
you can't argue with that stuff here's

4999
03:02:41,990 --> 03:02:39,439
you know products coming out that show

5000
03:02:44,389 --> 03:02:42,000
people the truth don't be you foolishist

5001
03:02:46,469 --> 03:02:44,399
you know so all this is coming out and

5002
03:02:47,590 --> 03:02:46,479
again this stuff is being up these are

5003
03:02:49,510 --> 03:02:47,600
sure

5004
03:02:53,429 --> 03:02:49,520
and billy meyer must love you putting

5005
03:02:59,830 --> 03:02:56,150
i can legally do how dare someone else

5006
03:03:02,230 --> 03:02:59,840
make money off of my [\h__\h] pictures

5007
03:03:03,750 --> 03:03:02,240
[\h__\h] you yeah so

5008
03:03:05,670 --> 03:03:03,760
you just broke it you that was the first

5009
03:03:07,510 --> 03:03:05,680
swear of the stream right there now you

5010
03:03:08,550 --> 03:03:07,520
can't monetize this

5011
03:03:10,950 --> 03:03:08,560
really

5012
03:03:12,870 --> 03:03:10,960
yeah you didn't know about that no yeah

5013
03:03:14,469 --> 03:03:12,880
when i'm guessing you're not supposed to

5014
03:03:15,910 --> 03:03:14,479
swear so you otherwise they can

5015
03:03:17,590 --> 03:03:15,920
demonetize that

5016
03:03:19,990 --> 03:03:17,600
well i've been waiting for three weeks

5017
03:03:22,469 --> 03:03:20,000
now for them to monetize me so

5018
03:03:23,990 --> 03:03:22,479
oh yeah well that's probably why man

5019
03:03:26,710 --> 03:03:24,000
i can take this down and edit it yeah i

5020
03:03:28,230 --> 03:03:26,720
gotta stop person so uh real quickly i'm

5021
03:03:30,150 --> 03:03:28,240
adding these will ship and march the

5022
03:03:31,349 --> 03:03:30,160
updated versions they have multimedia

5023
03:03:33,590 --> 03:03:31,359
elements added to them you point your

5024
03:03:35,830 --> 03:03:33,600
smartphone to the qr codes and magic

5025
03:03:36,710 --> 03:03:35,840
things happen and then these are coming

5026
03:03:39,110 --> 03:03:36,720
out

5027
03:03:41,030 --> 03:03:39,120
the revised star map that shows modern

5028
03:03:42,710 --> 03:03:41,040
astronomical data and this shows the

5029
03:03:44,469 --> 03:03:42,720
stuff about roswell been talking about

5030
03:03:46,550 --> 03:03:44,479
because it's an update because all that

5031
03:03:49,190 --> 03:03:46,560
original material has been found it was

5032
03:03:50,710 --> 03:03:49,200
in storage for over 20 years while i

5033
03:03:51,590 --> 03:03:50,720
went around the world and did other

5034
03:03:53,510 --> 03:03:51,600
things

5035
03:03:55,030 --> 03:03:53,520
so you know i did not even know these

5036
03:03:56,870 --> 03:03:55,040
original degree photos survived i

5037
03:03:58,309 --> 03:03:56,880
thought they were lost but

5038
03:03:59,429 --> 03:03:58,319
they're here and there's no question

5039
03:04:01,030 --> 03:03:59,439
they're real

5040
03:04:02,870 --> 03:04:01,040
so that was just something i wanted to

5041
03:04:05,670 --> 03:04:02,880
do and then again i have tables of some

5042
03:04:07,349 --> 03:04:05,680
of the you know witnesses and so on and

5043
03:04:09,349 --> 03:04:07,359
all that but we discussed all these you

5044
03:04:11,030 --> 03:04:09,359
know or at least some of them

5045
03:04:13,269 --> 03:04:11,040
so this would be a great tool for

5046
03:04:15,110 --> 03:04:13,279
working out this whole mess with roswell

5047
03:04:18,070 --> 03:04:15,120
because it's just a tangled freaking web

5048
03:04:19,510 --> 03:04:18,080
of like it is what he said

5049
03:04:21,910 --> 03:04:19,520
yeah i will tell you that's already been

5050
03:04:24,710 --> 03:04:21,920
done we used ai and machine learning to

5051
03:04:27,030 --> 03:04:24,720
nail the frauds and i'm there's a

5052
03:04:28,790 --> 03:04:27,040
there's a i'm sorry a scandal is kevin i

5053
03:04:31,670 --> 03:04:28,800
want to see how close my uh my

5054
03:04:33,750 --> 03:04:31,680
intelligence was to yours your ai so

5055
03:04:34,630 --> 03:04:33,760
because i've i've had no idea who's a

5056
03:04:37,269 --> 03:04:34,640
friend

5057
03:04:39,110 --> 03:04:37,279
i'm a computer guy and i don't trust ai

5058
03:04:41,990 --> 03:04:39,120
that's just like i just don't trust the

5059
03:04:44,070 --> 03:04:42,000
government period oh man definitely

5060
03:04:45,269 --> 03:04:44,080
this is a different this is a forensic

5061
03:04:47,030 --> 03:04:45,279
ai meaning

5062
03:04:48,630 --> 03:04:47,040
i'm actually writing a paper because

5063
03:04:49,990 --> 03:04:48,640
it's a good paper for the computing

5064
03:04:52,870 --> 03:04:50,000
field and that is that you can use

5065
03:04:54,469 --> 03:04:52,880
forensic ai to determine whether

5066
03:04:56,870 --> 03:04:54,479
somebody faked several different

5067
03:04:58,950 --> 03:04:56,880
documents or whatever and it turns out

5068
03:05:00,710 --> 03:04:58,960
that some of the roswell authors have

5069
03:05:02,710 --> 03:05:00,720
created witnesses that don't exist

5070
03:05:05,590 --> 03:05:02,720
there's no question that's true

5071
03:05:08,469 --> 03:05:05,600
uh so they're busted and the science

5072
03:05:10,870 --> 03:05:08,479
paper on this is going into the ieee i

5073
03:05:12,870 --> 03:05:10,880
believe for submission because it has

5074
03:05:14,710 --> 03:05:12,880
implications for law enforcement and so

5075
03:05:16,389 --> 03:05:14,720
on independent of roswell roswell was a

5076
03:05:17,750 --> 03:05:16,399
good test case but there are certain

5077
03:05:18,870 --> 03:05:17,760
patterns here when you start to see the

5078
03:05:21,190 --> 03:05:18,880
same

5079
03:05:23,349 --> 03:05:21,200
words come up over and over and over

5080
03:05:25,750 --> 03:05:23,359
uh there are reasons those same words

5081
03:05:27,510 --> 03:05:25,760
are being used and so i'm excited by

5082
03:05:28,469 --> 03:05:27,520
this new level stuff

5083
03:05:30,150 --> 03:05:28,479
because

5084
03:05:33,030 --> 03:05:30,160
i've been playing with it for years and

5085
03:05:36,070 --> 03:05:33,040
doing what i do in other areas and uh

5086
03:05:38,870 --> 03:05:36,080
um you know reapplying this stuff back

5087
03:05:40,630 --> 03:05:38,880
to ufo research and coming back to

5088
03:05:42,550 --> 03:05:40,640
fight the fights that were fought and

5089
03:05:44,389 --> 03:05:42,560
won or at least were winning at that

5090
03:05:46,550 --> 03:05:44,399
time before the millennium and then

5091
03:05:48,950 --> 03:05:46,560
being gone for about 20 years and now

5092
03:05:51,510 --> 03:05:48,960
this stuff is suddenly in vogue again

5093
03:05:53,030 --> 03:05:51,520
um it needs to be taken to a new level

5094
03:05:55,510 --> 03:05:53,040
and to the point where people can say

5095
03:05:59,030 --> 03:05:55,520
okay this is the truth i can verify it i

5096
03:06:01,910 --> 03:05:59,040
can test it myself this is not true and

5097
03:06:03,429 --> 03:06:01,920
he is a denier or she is or he's not

5098
03:06:05,750 --> 03:06:03,439
telling the truth but at least you'll

5099
03:06:06,790 --> 03:06:05,760
know and you get it to that binary level

5100
03:06:08,469 --> 03:06:06,800
and uh

5101
03:06:09,910 --> 03:06:08,479
and then it works you know

5102
03:06:11,670 --> 03:06:09,920
and that's what we're trying to do we

5103
03:06:14,230 --> 03:06:11,680
focus on binaries or we don't bother and

5104
03:06:16,630 --> 03:06:14,240
ufo comp i i first designed that in high

5105
03:06:19,110 --> 03:06:16,640
school but it started off with index

5106
03:06:21,269 --> 03:06:19,120
cards and it was only until hyper card

5107
03:06:23,510 --> 03:06:21,279
that's why the press wrote about it and

5108
03:06:25,670 --> 03:06:23,520
i used hyper card and all that stuff

5109
03:06:27,429 --> 03:06:25,680
secretly for classified stuff as well as

5110
03:06:29,030 --> 03:06:27,439
public stuff you know

5111
03:06:30,710 --> 03:06:29,040
that's why i was in and out of apple for

5112
03:06:32,550 --> 03:06:30,720
seven and a half years and most of them

5113
03:06:33,990 --> 03:06:32,560
are live for years

5114
03:06:35,750 --> 03:06:34,000
did you when you're at lawrence

5115
03:06:38,150 --> 03:06:35,760
livermore labs did you see any other

5116
03:06:41,110 --> 03:06:38,160
pentium

5117
03:06:44,230 --> 03:06:41,120
no no unobtainium but i'll tell you uh

5118
03:06:46,070 --> 03:06:44,240
the ufo thing was a hot potato and um

5119
03:06:47,910 --> 03:06:46,080
uh because of that article i got in

5120
03:06:50,469 --> 03:06:47,920
trouble and um

5121
03:06:52,870 --> 03:06:50,479
i'm gonna publish that full article uh

5122
03:06:54,150 --> 03:06:52,880
in the new book because this back story

5123
03:06:55,349 --> 03:06:54,160
needs to be in there so people

5124
03:06:56,870 --> 03:06:55,359
understand because they're like where

5125
03:06:58,630 --> 03:06:56,880
the hell did this come from and

5126
03:07:00,630 --> 03:06:58,640
basically they said that we can't have a

5127
03:07:01,510 --> 03:07:00,640
ufo researcher working on the projects

5128
03:07:03,670 --> 03:07:01,520
you do

5129
03:07:05,269 --> 03:07:03,680
because it'll make people think we're

5130
03:07:07,110 --> 03:07:05,279
you know doing roswell or whatever and

5131
03:07:08,790 --> 03:07:07,120
that you need to clear everything with

5132
03:07:10,469 --> 03:07:08,800
us first

5133
03:07:12,389 --> 03:07:10,479
duh especially since i was getting clear

5134
03:07:15,030 --> 03:07:12,399
as clearance so i agreed that i would

5135
03:07:16,950 --> 03:07:15,040
stay out of the media for years

5136
03:07:19,110 --> 03:07:16,960
it's it's a hot button i know i know

5137
03:07:21,990 --> 03:07:19,120
somebody who was a ufo researcher and

5138
03:07:24,070 --> 03:07:22,000
then his his day job said like you you

5139
03:07:26,469 --> 03:07:24,080
can't be doing interviews on tv and

5140
03:07:29,030 --> 03:07:26,479
stuff and working here so you gotta you

5141
03:07:30,550 --> 03:07:29,040
know choose whether you want your job or

5142
03:07:31,990 --> 03:07:30,560
you want to keep doing this and then he

5143
03:07:33,670 --> 03:07:32,000
kind of just took a step back and kept

5144
03:07:35,190 --> 03:07:33,680
his job you're telling me i'm not

5145
03:07:39,670 --> 03:07:35,200
trapped because i'm pretty sure like

5146
03:07:44,790 --> 03:07:42,070
we'll give you uh what got his 50 grand

5147
03:07:47,110 --> 03:07:44,800
you know 70 a year sound plus benefits

5148
03:07:48,389 --> 03:07:47,120
and retirement plan

5149
03:07:50,150 --> 03:07:48,399
don't talk about you may have been

5150
03:07:51,590 --> 03:07:50,160
getting too close about

5151
03:07:53,510 --> 03:07:51,600
too close to the truth about some of

5152
03:07:56,550 --> 03:07:53,520
those black projects and the black hole

5153
03:07:59,030 --> 03:07:56,560
of trillions of dollars that go into it

5154
03:08:01,670 --> 03:07:59,040
sure well here's an example of some

5155
03:08:03,910 --> 03:08:01,680
disinfo that i think needs to be settled

5156
03:08:05,349 --> 03:08:03,920
and if if everything works it's going to

5157
03:08:07,030 --> 03:08:05,359
be on schedule to be settled by the

5158
03:08:08,790 --> 03:08:07,040
summer and i'm excited about this you

5159
03:08:10,150 --> 03:08:08,800
know about this effort i think stephen

5160
03:08:12,790 --> 03:08:10,160
it's been delayed a year because of the

5161
03:08:14,389 --> 03:08:12,800
pandemic but around summer

5162
03:08:16,230 --> 03:08:14,399
the ufo task force is supposed to

5163
03:08:17,670 --> 03:08:16,240
release their report around roswell

5164
03:08:18,630 --> 03:08:17,680
month of course that's going to be good

5165
03:08:21,429 --> 03:08:18,640
pr

5166
03:08:23,990 --> 03:08:21,439
whatever it says i have no idea but i do

5167
03:08:25,750 --> 03:08:24,000
have a promise from the ig's office now

5168
03:08:29,590 --> 03:08:25,760
that everything's theoretically getting

5169
03:08:31,830 --> 03:08:29,600
back in order under this administration

5170
03:08:34,230 --> 03:08:31,840
to look at the issue two issues of the

5171
03:08:35,990 --> 03:08:34,240
atef harry reid stuff i sent you stephen

5172
03:08:37,190 --> 03:08:36,000
slides from that presentation prepared

5173
03:08:40,550 --> 03:08:37,200
for the government

5174
03:08:41,910 --> 03:08:40,560
secondly uh i am contesting claiming

5175
03:08:44,389 --> 03:08:41,920
it's a fraud because that's my

5176
03:08:46,710 --> 03:08:44,399
hypothesis this patent that they got the

5177
03:08:48,230 --> 03:08:46,720
three patents i'm trying to have it

5178
03:08:49,830 --> 03:08:48,240
independently looked at because i don't

5179
03:08:51,830 --> 03:08:49,840
believe it's credible

5180
03:08:53,910 --> 03:08:51,840
i think they did it only because i

5181
03:08:55,429 --> 03:08:53,920
picked up some intelligence in asia that

5182
03:08:57,910 --> 03:08:55,439
they were doing it

5183
03:08:59,830 --> 03:08:57,920
hoping to head off any potential chinese

5184
03:09:01,269 --> 03:08:59,840
advancements because we're behind we're

5185
03:09:03,830 --> 03:09:01,279
behind them

5186
03:09:06,630 --> 03:09:03,840
in some areas including the ability to

5187
03:09:08,870 --> 03:09:06,640
make a miniature sun china has beat us

5188
03:09:11,429 --> 03:09:08,880
to that so and now they've got two

5189
03:09:13,670 --> 03:09:11,439
probes around mars so um

5190
03:09:16,389 --> 03:09:13,680
i don't think the patent is valid if it

5191
03:09:18,070 --> 03:09:16,399
is valid it will be great to be wrong

5192
03:09:20,469 --> 03:09:18,080
and lose because they'll say yeah we

5193
03:09:22,550 --> 03:09:20,479
really do have this space-time warper

5194
03:09:24,790 --> 03:09:22,560
engine and we're just making jets for

5195
03:09:26,710 --> 03:09:24,800
the hell of it you know wasting time

5196
03:09:29,190 --> 03:09:26,720
flying saucers or they'll say you're

5197
03:09:31,429 --> 03:09:29,200
right it's not valid it's struck down

5198
03:09:33,590 --> 03:09:31,439
and reality comes back either way we

5199
03:09:35,110 --> 03:09:33,600
learn the truth hopefully unless the

5200
03:09:37,030 --> 03:09:35,120
answer is a third way which is it's

5201
03:09:38,790 --> 03:09:37,040
classified we can't talk about it then

5202
03:09:40,950 --> 03:09:38,800
you've got to write it out and do other

5203
03:09:43,510 --> 03:09:40,960
things but that's on schedule it's been

5204
03:09:45,670 --> 03:09:43,520
picked back up i'm hoping in two months

5205
03:09:48,229 --> 03:09:45,680
to find out from kiviat where his

5206
03:09:51,190 --> 03:09:48,239
lawsuit is over you know pandelphi and

5207
03:09:52,870 --> 03:09:51,200
uh marriott and those guys because that

5208
03:09:54,710 --> 03:09:52,880
is still going on the judge wanted it

5209
03:09:56,550 --> 03:09:54,720
wrapped up last year but and she ordered

5210
03:09:57,510 --> 03:09:56,560
it that way but the pandemic torpedoed

5211
03:10:00,150 --> 03:09:57,520
everything

5212
03:10:01,670 --> 03:10:00,160
so it's it's a mess now in that in in

5213
03:10:03,670 --> 03:10:01,680
that one thing but the other projects

5214
03:10:06,950 --> 03:10:03,680
are moving forward

5215
03:10:12,309 --> 03:10:08,710
where'd you get that figure for six

5216
03:10:15,670 --> 03:10:12,319
point uh six like 65.9 million people

5217
03:10:17,590 --> 03:10:15,680
believing the roswell case oh um because

5218
03:10:19,830 --> 03:10:17,600
if you look at the uh there's been

5219
03:10:21,990 --> 03:10:19,840
surveys done over the years of what

5220
03:10:24,229 --> 03:10:22,000
americans believe in conspiracy so it's

5221
03:10:28,229 --> 03:10:24,239
from that series the granddaddy of them

5222
03:10:30,309 --> 03:10:28,239
all is jfk uh 81 percent believed in it

5223
03:10:32,229 --> 03:10:30,319
at its peak now it's about 61 percent

5224
03:10:34,870 --> 03:10:32,239
holding steady in the last five to six

5225
03:10:36,870 --> 03:10:34,880
years they haven't done a poll recently

5226
03:10:39,110 --> 03:10:36,880
roswell they won't do one till the

5227
03:10:41,590 --> 03:10:39,120
anniversaries come up like 75 and 80

5228
03:10:46,229 --> 03:10:41,600
because we're an anniversary society now

5229
03:10:50,550 --> 03:10:47,990
well the software looks good i'm looking

5230
03:10:52,550 --> 03:10:50,560
forward to giving it giving it a whirl i

5231
03:10:54,469 --> 03:10:52,560
it might help me get a little more

5232
03:10:57,510 --> 03:10:54,479
organized because i'm a mess i just have

5233
03:10:59,429 --> 03:10:57,520
folders and i copy stuff into folders

5234
03:11:01,590 --> 03:10:59,439
and uh that's not the best way to do

5235
03:11:03,750 --> 03:11:01,600
things for sure well i want to explain

5236
03:11:05,830 --> 03:11:03,760
something real quickly uh for both you

5237
03:11:07,190 --> 03:11:05,840
and anybody who's our partners in

5238
03:11:08,870 --> 03:11:07,200
testing this

5239
03:11:10,550 --> 03:11:08,880
there are workflows that i do which i

5240
03:11:12,229 --> 03:11:10,560
think might be of interest to you guys

5241
03:11:13,990 --> 03:11:12,239
there's also stuff that's unique to you

5242
03:11:15,990 --> 03:11:14,000
that no one else cares about and that's

5243
03:11:17,750 --> 03:11:16,000
fine so what i want to do under the

5244
03:11:19,030 --> 03:11:17,760
create and deploy is you tell me what

5245
03:11:20,790 --> 03:11:19,040
you want this thing to do if

5246
03:11:23,269 --> 03:11:20,800
everything's in there and you can spit

5247
03:11:25,349 --> 03:11:23,279
it out in whatever formats or combos you

5248
03:11:27,429 --> 03:11:25,359
want what is it you want to do and you

5249
03:11:28,309 --> 03:11:27,439
know i do slideshow a bunch of different

5250
03:11:31,670 --> 03:11:28,319
things

5251
03:11:32,630 --> 03:11:31,680
so the idea is to with a few clicks

5252
03:11:34,870 --> 03:11:32,640
start

5253
03:11:36,790 --> 03:11:34,880
you know making sense and putting this

5254
03:11:38,870 --> 03:11:36,800
data into some form where just a few

5255
03:11:40,950 --> 03:11:38,880
clicks i cannot touches i can just do

5256
03:11:43,030 --> 03:11:40,960
whatever i want to do with it i know i'm

5257
03:11:44,870 --> 03:11:43,040
oversimplifying it but you know like

5258
03:11:46,710 --> 03:11:44,880
admin there's admin functions in there

5259
03:11:49,030 --> 03:11:46,720
in fact to be honest

5260
03:11:50,950 --> 03:11:49,040
the version of this that you may end up

5261
03:11:53,190 --> 03:11:50,960
with steven then you can probably

5262
03:11:55,670 --> 03:11:53,200
appreciate this as an id guys there's

5263
03:11:58,070 --> 03:11:55,680
really admin manage browse create and

5264
03:12:00,630 --> 03:11:58,080
deploy admin would be for people like

5265
03:12:02,389 --> 03:12:00,640
you and i but i'm just calling it admin

5266
03:12:04,469 --> 03:12:02,399
now but when it comes out to the public

5267
03:12:06,790 --> 03:12:04,479
version one oh this is the alpha

5268
03:12:09,429 --> 03:12:06,800
it'll be probably manage you know manage

5269
03:12:11,269 --> 03:12:09,439
browse create deploy and this is just a

5270
03:12:13,590 --> 03:12:11,279
thing for keeping track of stuff and

5271
03:12:15,429 --> 03:12:13,600
organizing or or is this for like web

5272
03:12:18,070 --> 03:12:15,439
posting and does this post directly to a

5273
03:12:20,229 --> 03:12:18,080
website it can do all of that it's up to

5274
03:12:22,790 --> 03:12:20,239
you the advantage of this software is

5275
03:12:24,790 --> 03:12:22,800
that you can take it with you on the

5276
03:12:27,269 --> 03:12:24,800
road on your device smartphone whatever

5277
03:12:29,510 --> 03:12:27,279
it's got you know a tablet and iphone

5278
03:12:31,990 --> 03:12:29,520
interface a smartphone interface

5279
03:12:33,190 --> 03:12:32,000
this is the 21 and a half inch version

5280
03:12:36,630 --> 03:12:33,200
on my

5281
03:12:38,309 --> 03:12:36,640
particular uh you know screen here um

5282
03:12:39,670 --> 03:12:38,319
and then um

5283
03:12:41,830 --> 03:12:39,680
the um

5284
03:12:44,150 --> 03:12:41,840
these are just random files put in there

5285
03:12:45,269 --> 03:12:44,160
that i'm sending to erica the real data

5286
03:12:47,030 --> 03:12:45,279
files

5287
03:12:48,389 --> 03:12:47,040
this polaroid you see here is an

5288
03:12:50,950 --> 03:12:48,399
original from the original first

5289
03:12:52,550 --> 03:12:50,960
computer analysis ever done uh

5290
03:12:54,389 --> 03:12:52,560
years ago in the 80s this was part of

5291
03:12:55,750 --> 03:12:54,399
the work i was doing friedman when i was

5292
03:12:57,269 --> 03:12:55,760
trying to tell the bad news about the

5293
03:13:00,070 --> 03:12:57,279
heflin case

5294
03:13:02,790 --> 03:13:00,080
so um i'm sending some samples with real

5295
03:13:05,750 --> 03:13:02,800
data in there to erica and others and

5296
03:13:07,830 --> 03:13:05,760
then they will do what they want with it

5297
03:13:09,510 --> 03:13:07,840
erica i assume will populate it with her

5298
03:13:10,790 --> 03:13:09,520
stuff and then she can keep whatever

5299
03:13:11,830 --> 03:13:10,800
it's her business

5300
03:13:13,510 --> 03:13:11,840
um

5301
03:13:15,429 --> 03:13:13,520
how did you build this program and

5302
03:13:17,110 --> 03:13:15,439
where's like could i is can you kind of

5303
03:13:18,710 --> 03:13:17,120
show us like the back end i want to see

5304
03:13:20,790 --> 03:13:18,720
under the hood a little bit

5305
03:13:23,670 --> 03:13:20,800
i don't know well

5306
03:13:25,910 --> 03:13:23,680
i can't this is a screenshot i i can't

5307
03:13:28,150 --> 03:13:25,920
this is a screenshot from

5308
03:13:29,670 --> 03:13:28,160
of the final thing i'm shipping so i

5309
03:13:31,910 --> 03:13:29,680
can't uh

5310
03:13:35,750 --> 03:13:31,920
boot it and stay

5311
03:13:37,590 --> 03:13:35,760
connected with us yeah yeah oh yeah yeah

5312
03:13:39,269 --> 03:13:37,600
i could put you guys in touch with you

5313
03:13:40,550 --> 03:13:39,279
yeah i'd like to check that out cal

5314
03:13:42,870 --> 03:13:40,560
that's super interesting what you're

5315
03:13:44,710 --> 03:13:42,880
doing and uh just to give you a little

5316
03:13:47,110 --> 03:13:44,720
introduction to me and what i'm kind of

5317
03:13:50,150 --> 03:13:47,120
working on um i put together a team of

5318
03:13:51,910 --> 03:13:50,160
scientists to vet guys like bob lazar or

5319
03:13:53,990 --> 03:13:51,920
mark mccandlish or you know any number

5320
03:13:56,229 --> 03:13:54,000
of uh these people who've you know

5321
03:13:58,150 --> 03:13:56,239
claimed to uh worked on you know

5322
03:13:59,750 --> 03:13:58,160
projects of doing anti-gravity for the

5323
03:14:01,830 --> 03:13:59,760
government we found a lot of research

5324
03:14:03,590 --> 03:14:01,840
and also reports on real you know

5325
03:14:05,030 --> 03:14:03,600
research anti-gravity kind of research

5326
03:14:07,429 --> 03:14:05,040
that's been done by the government and

5327
03:14:08,710 --> 03:14:07,439
boeing and aerospace companies and stuff

5328
03:14:10,550 --> 03:14:08,720
and we're kind of reaching out to like

5329
03:14:12,070 --> 03:14:10,560
all these guys and getting them to put

5330
03:14:14,070 --> 03:14:12,080
we're putting together a conference to

5331
03:14:15,750 --> 03:14:14,080
talk about anti-gravity and to share

5332
03:14:17,269 --> 03:14:15,760
ideas on you know how we build the

5333
03:14:18,950 --> 03:14:17,279
spaceships of the future because you

5334
03:14:21,190 --> 03:14:18,960
know that is important about getting off

5335
03:14:22,790 --> 03:14:21,200
this planet and and you know

5336
03:14:23,910 --> 03:14:22,800
you know the future of humanity is

5337
03:14:26,389 --> 03:14:23,920
really uh

5338
03:14:29,110 --> 03:14:26,399
what my goal is to kind of merge our

5339
03:14:30,550 --> 03:14:29,120
technology with that of an alien species

5340
03:14:32,710 --> 03:14:30,560
and kind of think about these kinds of

5341
03:14:35,349 --> 03:14:32,720
things in new ways and you know maybe

5342
03:14:37,990 --> 03:14:35,359
roswell isn't the uh smoking gun we we

5343
03:14:40,229 --> 03:14:38,000
hope for but it certainly um gets my

5344
03:14:42,309 --> 03:14:40,239
gears turning um about these kinds of

5345
03:14:43,910 --> 03:14:42,319
things with that von neumann stuff and

5346
03:14:47,190 --> 03:14:43,920
von neumann probes

5347
03:14:48,870 --> 03:14:47,200
but um you know we we certainly uh

5348
03:14:50,309 --> 03:14:48,880
um i want you to check out what we're

5349
03:14:51,670 --> 03:14:50,319
doing this weekend we have apec

5350
03:14:53,269 --> 03:14:51,680
conference coming up it's the

5351
03:14:55,030 --> 03:14:53,279
alternative propulsion engineering

5352
03:14:57,190 --> 03:14:55,040
conference and we actually have a guy

5353
03:14:58,630 --> 03:14:57,200
from boeing and a guy from airbus who

5354
03:14:59,910 --> 03:14:58,640
are going to be presenting this weekend

5355
03:15:01,910 --> 03:14:59,920
on some of their research that that has

5356
03:15:04,790 --> 03:15:01,920
been done by those companies into

5357
03:15:06,389 --> 03:15:04,800
anti-gravity so um cool how are you

5358
03:15:08,710 --> 03:15:06,399
doing you're doing a lot of you're doing

5359
03:15:10,630 --> 03:15:08,720
a lot of your own experiments

5360
03:15:12,710 --> 03:15:10,640
yeah we have a lab he's actually

5361
03:15:14,710 --> 03:15:12,720
building stuff okay like yeah we're

5362
03:15:16,630 --> 03:15:14,720
building and testing claims and stuff so

5363
03:15:18,070 --> 03:15:16,640
like we're like calling [\h__\h] on all

5364
03:15:20,070 --> 03:15:18,080
these people that create this you know

5365
03:15:21,590 --> 03:15:20,080
here i got my flying you know thing and

5366
03:15:23,190 --> 03:15:21,600
this is how you build it okay well we're

5367
03:15:24,790 --> 03:15:23,200
gonna build one and test all your theory

5368
03:15:26,630 --> 03:15:24,800
and like and break it all down and throw

5369
03:15:28,389 --> 03:15:26,640
it on a white board and build the thing

5370
03:15:29,670 --> 03:15:28,399
and and then show everyone that it

5371
03:15:31,349 --> 03:15:29,680
doesn't work so they don't waste their

5372
03:15:32,710 --> 03:15:31,359
time and you know

5373
03:15:35,590 --> 03:15:32,720
i always wondered that about mark

5374
03:15:38,070 --> 03:15:35,600
mccandless arv he claims that his

5375
03:15:39,750 --> 03:15:38,080
drawing is like 100 accurate well then

5376
03:15:41,429 --> 03:15:39,760
why don't you build a scale model of it

5377
03:15:43,590 --> 03:15:41,439
and show us this thing floating around

5378
03:15:44,950 --> 03:15:43,600
everyone right now and are you really

5379
03:15:46,710 --> 03:15:44,960
awesome yeah

5380
03:15:48,630 --> 03:15:46,720
i don't i'm just finding the coils for

5381
03:15:50,870 --> 03:15:48,640
it last night those capacitors and

5382
03:15:53,269 --> 03:15:50,880
copper coils go in there

5383
03:15:54,630 --> 03:15:53,279
alien scientists yeah yeah i saw this i

5384
03:15:57,269 --> 03:15:54,640
want to see if it works you've got to

5385
03:15:59,190 --> 03:15:57,279
show me if it works i i'm betting it

5386
03:16:00,790 --> 03:15:59,200
doesn't but okay

5387
03:16:03,269 --> 03:16:00,800
hey if it does you'll be the first to

5388
03:16:04,710 --> 03:16:03,279
know we'll see you know so i want to

5389
03:16:07,670 --> 03:16:04,720
take a ride in your spaceship when you

5390
03:16:09,670 --> 03:16:07,680
get it work in there definitely for sure

5391
03:16:12,710 --> 03:16:09,680
by the way just so you know this really

5392
03:16:14,830 --> 03:16:12,720
is real this was the first version 1-0

5393
03:16:17,510 --> 03:16:14,840
of the

5394
03:16:20,790 --> 03:16:17,520
company mug here

5395
03:16:22,950 --> 03:16:20,800
and uh you can see here uh we changed

5396
03:16:25,030 --> 03:16:22,960
the design because uh the print had to

5397
03:16:27,030 --> 03:16:25,040
be bigger you see meyer's photo

5398
03:16:29,830 --> 03:16:27,040
and then you can see on the back here

5399
03:16:32,070 --> 03:16:29,840
the recreation that was done

5400
03:16:34,870 --> 03:16:32,080
exactly and then we found the string of

5401
03:16:36,630 --> 03:16:34,880
course many many years ago

5402
03:16:39,110 --> 03:16:36,640
made the cakes and stuff out of like

5403
03:16:40,950 --> 03:16:39,120
silver things yeah yeah we show you how

5404
03:16:43,349 --> 03:16:40,960
to do that so that's why we call them

5405
03:16:45,269 --> 03:16:43,359
fake ships because they are fake to call

5406
03:16:47,190 --> 03:16:45,279
them spaceships is to insult real

5407
03:16:48,070 --> 03:16:47,200
spaceships we don't want to do that

5408
03:16:51,110 --> 03:16:48,080
right

5409
03:16:52,389 --> 03:16:51,120
in fact if they can do interstellar

5410
03:16:54,950 --> 03:16:52,399
warp drive then they probably have

5411
03:16:57,510 --> 03:16:54,960
invisibility cloaks so no it's more

5412
03:17:00,150 --> 03:16:57,520
warped drive warped minded billy meyer

5413
03:17:02,070 --> 03:17:00,160
the guy said oh yeah yeah this isn't

5414
03:17:04,229 --> 03:17:02,080
here here's an excellent question for

5415
03:17:06,870 --> 03:17:04,239
both of you guys i don't know if either

5416
03:17:08,229 --> 03:17:06,880
of you saw the uh walter bosley uh

5417
03:17:10,550 --> 03:17:08,239
episode but

5418
03:17:14,790 --> 03:17:10,560
and uh every time i try to explain his

5419
03:17:16,870 --> 03:17:14,800
theory on roswell i i just mangle it but

5420
03:17:19,030 --> 03:17:16,880
he he believes that

5421
03:17:21,190 --> 03:17:19,040
what happened at roswell may have been

5422
03:17:22,750 --> 03:17:21,200
uh project paper clip scientists and

5423
03:17:25,429 --> 03:17:22,760
early rocket

5424
03:17:26,950 --> 03:17:25,439
spacecraft tests that came down and that

5425
03:17:28,070 --> 03:17:26,960
was the reason for the cover up in the

5426
03:17:29,269 --> 03:17:28,080
secrecy

5427
03:17:31,429 --> 03:17:29,279
and things like that what do you guys

5428
03:17:33,830 --> 03:17:31,439
think of that potential theory

5429
03:17:35,750 --> 03:17:33,840
um i i don't believe it's true and i'll

5430
03:17:38,950 --> 03:17:35,760
tell you why uh do you remember the

5431
03:17:42,229 --> 03:17:38,960
ghost rockets and the scandinavian ufo

5432
03:17:44,309 --> 03:17:42,239
mysteries of 1946 and 47. remember those

5433
03:17:46,229 --> 03:17:44,319
reports in that area of the world yeah i

5434
03:17:48,790 --> 03:17:46,239
remember hearing about it okay there

5435
03:17:51,030 --> 03:17:48,800
were a lot of them we now know only

5436
03:17:54,710 --> 03:17:51,040
because the soviet union imploded in

5437
03:17:56,550 --> 03:17:54,720
1991 that those were all russian tests

5438
03:17:57,510 --> 03:17:56,560
they had a bunch of stuff they captured

5439
03:17:59,429 --> 03:17:57,520
up there

5440
03:18:01,030 --> 03:17:59,439
and uh we're flying all kinds of stuff

5441
03:18:03,510 --> 03:18:01,040
and kept it secret

5442
03:18:05,910 --> 03:18:03,520
um again i can only tell you what i

5443
03:18:07,830 --> 03:18:05,920
looked at when i had when i was given

5444
03:18:10,550 --> 03:18:07,840
the honor of writing the classified new

5445
03:18:12,150 --> 03:18:10,560
graph tracking system i had a real index

5446
03:18:13,910 --> 03:18:12,160
of real stuff

5447
03:18:15,590 --> 03:18:13,920
because i had to test the real thing we

5448
03:18:18,309 --> 03:18:15,600
couldn't use simulated data beyond a

5449
03:18:20,229 --> 03:18:18,319
certain point and as far as i know all

5450
03:18:22,229 --> 03:18:20,239
of the secret stuff that was done with

5451
03:18:25,030 --> 03:18:22,239
pay-per-click paperclip had two main

5452
03:18:27,910 --> 03:18:25,040
levels of compartmentalization

5453
03:18:30,630 --> 03:18:27,920
at the high level there was the public

5454
03:18:33,590 --> 03:18:30,640
uh way to handle and spin paperclip

5455
03:18:35,269 --> 03:18:33,600
because it was politically um wrong

5456
03:18:37,830 --> 03:18:35,279
for one we're supposed to be the moral

5457
03:18:40,550 --> 03:18:37,840
superpower right but yet we are letting

5458
03:18:42,710 --> 03:18:40,560
nazis and former members of the ss help

5459
03:18:44,469 --> 03:18:42,720
us because we want to beat the russians

5460
03:18:47,269 --> 03:18:44,479
forget who they killed or what they did

5461
03:18:49,750 --> 03:18:47,279
or they were part of a genocidal regime

5462
03:18:52,870 --> 03:18:49,760
and then there were the scientists

5463
03:18:55,349 --> 03:18:52,880
in paperclip who were very very useful

5464
03:18:58,550 --> 03:18:55,359
ironically one is up the hill here at

5465
03:19:01,429 --> 03:18:58,560
the university he submitted a paper he

5466
03:19:03,269 --> 03:19:01,439
submitted a paper at eric davis's

5467
03:19:05,510 --> 03:19:03,279
request for the a-tip project it's a

5468
03:19:07,990 --> 03:19:05,520
complete crank thing

5469
03:19:10,229 --> 03:19:08,000
but he did and i just had to shake my

5470
03:19:12,710 --> 03:19:10,239
head at that because it turns out that

5471
03:19:14,790 --> 03:19:12,720
the former chief scientist for area 51

5472
03:19:17,590 --> 03:19:14,800
is neighbors with harry reid

5473
03:19:19,910 --> 03:19:17,600
wow what a small world in nevada

5474
03:19:21,590 --> 03:19:19,920
yeah because can i can i stop this share

5475
03:19:22,630 --> 03:19:21,600
now then

5476
03:19:24,389 --> 03:19:22,640
do you want to

5477
03:19:26,229 --> 03:19:24,399
oh yeah yeah i'm sorry okay i'll take

5478
03:19:28,550 --> 03:19:26,239
that down so we get

5479
03:19:30,870 --> 03:19:28,560
yeah so you know i i don't even know

5480
03:19:33,429 --> 03:19:30,880
where to go from here i guess

5481
03:19:34,950 --> 03:19:33,439
you know uh like i said the biggest

5482
03:19:36,790 --> 03:19:34,960
problem that i have we're gonna go i'm

5483
03:19:39,030 --> 03:19:36,800
gonna read cal's book he's gonna send it

5484
03:19:40,870 --> 03:19:39,040
to me and

5485
03:19:43,269 --> 03:19:40,880
we'll pick it up after that when i have

5486
03:19:45,590 --> 03:19:43,279
some notes for him so

5487
03:19:47,510 --> 03:19:45,600
yeah you know yeah and listen i'm glad

5488
03:19:49,429 --> 03:19:47,520
maybe i honestly plan that we can have

5489
03:19:51,429 --> 03:19:49,439
people that can just

5490
03:19:53,510 --> 03:19:51,439
civilly disagree and it doesn't turn

5491
03:19:55,030 --> 03:19:53,520
into like some kind of shouting match

5492
03:19:56,710 --> 03:19:55,040
because we're all interested and we want

5493
03:19:58,469 --> 03:19:56,720
to all get to the truth

5494
03:20:01,110 --> 03:19:58,479
cow has his own perspective and i know

5495
03:20:03,030 --> 03:20:01,120
that jeremy's been really digging into

5496
03:20:05,190 --> 03:20:03,040
the material side of things that's what

5497
03:20:07,510 --> 03:20:05,200
his interest is jeremy wants to get his

5498
03:20:09,510 --> 03:20:07,520
hands on that stuff and testing himself

5499
03:20:11,670 --> 03:20:09,520
i want it in my lab and i don't think

5500
03:20:13,429 --> 03:20:11,680
clifford mahouty or who's the other guy

5501
03:20:15,190 --> 03:20:13,439
that goes out in the desert and collects

5502
03:20:17,110 --> 03:20:15,200
the roswell he does the archaeological

5503
03:20:19,750 --> 03:20:17,120
digs out there you know i'm talking

5504
03:20:21,269 --> 03:20:19,760
about cal the um well good luck with any

5505
03:20:23,110 --> 03:20:21,279
art good luck with that they have a

5506
03:20:25,269 --> 03:20:23,120
bunch of tin foil from what i what they

5507
03:20:28,309 --> 03:20:25,279
showed me when i met the guy in 2009 in

5508
03:20:30,630 --> 03:20:28,319
albuquerque there are cans from 1932

5509
03:20:32,870 --> 03:20:30,640
that got buried in the desert yeah

5510
03:20:35,030 --> 03:20:32,880
but unfortunately you know it's just

5511
03:20:37,030 --> 03:20:35,040
it's yeah it is all stories and it's it

5512
03:20:38,469 --> 03:20:37,040
i don't see any actionable intelligence

5513
03:20:40,630 --> 03:20:38,479
or anything scientific that i could

5514
03:20:42,630 --> 03:20:40,640
really move forward on as of yet unless

5515
03:20:44,309 --> 03:20:42,640
they you know unless they audit battelle

5516
03:20:46,950 --> 03:20:44,319
and really like do a whole overview of

5517
03:20:48,790 --> 03:20:46,960
that organization and and stuff but

5518
03:20:50,229 --> 03:20:48,800
again that's not likely to happen and

5519
03:20:52,550 --> 03:20:50,239
and uh

5520
03:20:54,309 --> 03:20:52,560
and you know just it's just the way it

5521
03:20:56,309 --> 03:20:54,319
is man

5522
03:20:57,830 --> 03:20:56,319
but yeah i i want to check out cal's

5523
03:20:59,510 --> 03:20:57,840
book and um

5524
03:21:01,670 --> 03:20:59,520
and uh you should definitely get in

5525
03:21:03,750 --> 03:21:01,680
touch with me after the show

5526
03:21:06,469 --> 03:21:03,760
yeah i'm willing to work with anybody

5527
03:21:08,309 --> 03:21:06,479
who is a logical person to work with uh

5528
03:21:10,389 --> 03:21:08,319
i've worked with people who are you know

5529
03:21:11,990 --> 03:21:10,399
i was friends with wendell stephen but

5530
03:21:14,309 --> 03:21:12,000
to be honest with this

5531
03:21:16,150 --> 03:21:14,319
with everyone what came between us was

5532
03:21:18,309 --> 03:21:16,160
i was the journalist who broke the story

5533
03:21:21,190 --> 03:21:18,319
about his child molestation problems and

5534
03:21:22,550 --> 03:21:21,200
he went to prison for it so

5535
03:21:24,790 --> 03:21:22,560
yeah it kind of

5536
03:21:25,750 --> 03:21:24,800
blew a hole in his credibility there mr

5537
03:21:27,590 --> 03:21:25,760
corp

5538
03:21:29,510 --> 03:21:27,600
well it's just not going to be friends

5539
03:21:31,590 --> 03:21:29,520
with the child molester i'm sorry i draw

5540
03:21:34,070 --> 03:21:31,600
a line at least one line somewhere and

5541
03:21:36,229 --> 03:21:34,080
um you know that's kind of obvious and

5542
03:21:38,630 --> 03:21:36,239
uh a lot of people don't talk about that

5543
03:21:40,630 --> 03:21:38,640
part of him because it's an inconvenient

5544
03:21:43,910 --> 03:21:40,640
truth to quote al gore

5545
03:21:45,910 --> 03:21:43,920
i guess but anyway um so again i'll work

5546
03:21:48,550 --> 03:21:45,920
with anybody even if i don't like the

5547
03:21:50,870 --> 03:21:48,560
person to in a common place to find the

5548
03:21:53,510 --> 03:21:50,880
truth

5549
03:21:55,670 --> 03:21:53,520
yeah come on bro come on bro i'm sure

5550
03:21:57,510 --> 03:21:55,680
you would like him he's like he talks

5551
03:22:02,150 --> 03:21:57,520
all this science stuff that'll make your

5552
03:22:04,710 --> 03:22:02,160
brain hurt like i'm pretty into science

5553
03:22:05,670 --> 03:22:04,720
i'm just busting protons and neutrons

5554
03:22:10,630 --> 03:22:05,680
and

5555
03:22:12,870 --> 03:22:10,640
it's not worth wasting electrons on you

5556
03:22:14,550 --> 03:22:12,880
know it's one of my favorite expressions

5557
03:22:16,550 --> 03:22:14,560
then i do get people who say what's in

5558
03:22:18,389 --> 03:22:16,560
electrons never mind

5559
03:22:20,070 --> 03:22:18,399
but anyway

5560
03:22:21,510 --> 03:22:20,080
so yeah well i think we're going to wrap

5561
03:22:24,229 --> 03:22:21,520
it up here i don't want to keep you guys

5562
03:22:26,229 --> 03:22:24,239
too much longer uh how long was this

5563
03:22:28,630 --> 03:22:26,239
show supposed to be you know i didn't

5564
03:22:33,670 --> 03:22:28,640
have a set time but we're at 90 minutes

5565
03:22:39,429 --> 03:22:35,510
that's all the goldfish out there the

5566
03:22:42,950 --> 03:22:41,269
if i can just bring up something i want

5567
03:22:45,429 --> 03:22:42,960
everyone to be clear on what the ufo

5568
03:22:47,750 --> 03:22:45,439
comp software is and is not

5569
03:22:50,710 --> 03:22:47,760
i am releasing it tonight and tomorrow

5570
03:22:53,190 --> 03:22:50,720
to a small group of people who will beat

5571
03:22:55,030 --> 03:22:53,200
it up and populate it with real data

5572
03:22:58,469 --> 03:22:55,040
people who are everything from ordinary

5573
03:23:01,990 --> 03:22:58,479
users to i.t guys and i want the

5574
03:23:03,750 --> 03:23:02,000
honest truth i then want them to think

5575
03:23:05,269 --> 03:23:03,760
in a different way because hopefully the

5576
03:23:07,190 --> 03:23:05,279
software will get them to think about

5577
03:23:08,070 --> 03:23:07,200
doing things a bit differently and say

5578
03:23:09,670 --> 03:23:08,080
well

5579
03:23:12,469 --> 03:23:09,680
how about a workflow that helps me get

5580
03:23:14,630 --> 03:23:12,479
xyz done i'll take a look at that

5581
03:23:16,389 --> 03:23:14,640
and i'll talk to roy if i need to bug

5582
03:23:19,030 --> 03:23:16,399
him and say let's let's try to work this

5583
03:23:22,229 --> 03:23:19,040
on it i'll involve roy roy builds his

5584
03:23:24,150 --> 03:23:22,239
own stuff too roy built his first uh

5585
03:23:27,030 --> 03:23:24,160
essential airplane i mean the guy's a

5586
03:23:29,429 --> 03:23:27,040
genius he's he's he's like a real tony

5587
03:23:31,590 --> 03:23:29,439
stark type guy except he's real reminds

5588
03:23:33,670 --> 03:23:31,600
me of some of the stuff you've said so i

5589
03:23:35,110 --> 03:23:33,680
can't wait to get you guys talking

5590
03:23:37,349 --> 03:23:35,120
and of course stephen you've heard of

5591
03:23:40,790 --> 03:23:37,359
roy you'll be in touch soon

5592
03:23:42,950 --> 03:23:40,800
yeah yeah erica i have the 27 inch imac

5593
03:23:44,870 --> 03:23:42,960
screen so so i have to scale up

5594
03:23:46,389 --> 03:23:44,880
everything but i'll have to have you

5595
03:23:47,830 --> 03:23:46,399
take screenshots and send them back to

5596
03:23:50,070 --> 03:23:47,840
me so i can see what to do with that

5597
03:23:52,309 --> 03:23:50,080
extra real estate which i don't have

5598
03:23:53,910 --> 03:23:52,319
um i love seeing the ufo com system on

5599
03:23:54,870 --> 03:23:53,920
all three monitors it's got a seti

5600
03:23:56,469 --> 03:23:54,880
module

5601
03:23:58,790 --> 03:23:56,479
which i'll show later which talks about

5602
03:24:01,110 --> 03:23:58,800
the seti stuff so in answer to your

5603
03:24:02,870 --> 03:24:01,120
question this can be a standalone app

5604
03:24:04,309 --> 03:24:02,880
that you can take your stuff with you in

5605
03:24:05,750 --> 03:24:04,319
the field on the road anywhere you need

5606
03:24:07,990 --> 03:24:05,760
to go

5607
03:24:09,190 --> 03:24:08,000
or you can have it be a front end to any

5608
03:24:11,429 --> 03:24:09,200
back end

5609
03:24:14,229 --> 03:24:11,439
you can even use it as simple gui to

5610
03:24:16,469 --> 03:24:14,239
some sql god-awful nightmare database on

5611
03:24:18,550 --> 03:24:16,479
the back end you know

5612
03:24:20,229 --> 03:24:18,560
it runs on windows it runs on mac it

5613
03:24:22,790 --> 03:24:20,239
runs on ios

5614
03:24:25,349 --> 03:24:22,800
until it is frozen and releases 1-0 for

5615
03:24:28,710 --> 03:24:25,359
the public free by the way

5616
03:24:31,030 --> 03:24:28,720
and cases will be modules in it um

5617
03:24:32,550 --> 03:24:31,040
um we'll deal with android later once we

5618
03:24:33,990 --> 03:24:32,560
know how the other platforms play

5619
03:24:36,469 --> 03:24:34,000
because then it'll be a formality to

5620
03:24:38,550 --> 03:24:36,479
port it to android but absolutely

5621
03:24:41,190 --> 03:24:38,560
web-based it has a dna in it as a

5622
03:24:43,590 --> 03:24:41,200
distributed network architecture

5623
03:24:44,710 --> 03:24:43,600
it uses the filemaker engine by apple

5624
03:24:45,910 --> 03:24:44,720
clarisse

5625
03:24:47,990 --> 03:24:45,920
uh so

5626
03:24:50,950 --> 03:24:48,000
used to work at that company many years

5627
03:24:54,469 --> 03:24:50,960
ago so um you know it's it's just

5628
03:24:55,990 --> 03:24:54,479
wonderful and what's good is that um you

5629
03:24:57,590 --> 03:24:56,000
know it's just great to take these

5630
03:24:59,349 --> 03:24:57,600
pieces of these other frankenstein

5631
03:25:00,950 --> 03:24:59,359
databases like terrorist tracker and

5632
03:25:03,110 --> 03:25:00,960
stick it in there and say okay change it

5633
03:25:05,670 --> 03:25:03,120
from al qaeda to newfound or whatever

5634
03:25:08,150 --> 03:25:05,680
and you know same same idea

5635
03:25:09,910 --> 03:25:08,160
you know and re recon and to tailor it

5636
03:25:11,190 --> 03:25:09,920
for ufo research

5637
03:25:13,429 --> 03:25:11,200
so

5638
03:25:15,269 --> 03:25:13,439
yeah i i have a whole database team i'm

5639
03:25:17,030 --> 03:25:15,279
working on we've collected we've been

5640
03:25:19,830 --> 03:25:17,040
like compiling databases and just

5641
03:25:21,750 --> 03:25:19,840
archived material on like government and

5642
03:25:24,070 --> 03:25:21,760
private anti-gravity research or any

5643
03:25:26,710 --> 03:25:24,080
kind of really research related to you

5644
03:25:28,229 --> 03:25:26,720
know subjects any any way in form kind

5645
03:25:29,510 --> 03:25:28,239
of related that so it'd be cool to hook

5646
03:25:31,510 --> 03:25:29,520
you up with some of the people on my

5647
03:25:33,910 --> 03:25:31,520
team and see if we could be there might

5648
03:25:35,670 --> 03:25:33,920
be some room for collaboration there

5649
03:25:37,190 --> 03:25:35,680
yeah the uh just so you know the next

5650
03:25:39,190 --> 03:25:37,200
phase of this other than getting it to

5651
03:25:40,870 --> 03:25:39,200
the few key key people is i've got to

5652
03:25:42,790 --> 03:25:40,880
contact others like jan aldrich i've

5653
03:25:44,309 --> 03:25:42,800
known him for many years we've never

5654
03:25:46,790 --> 03:25:44,319
really directly worked on things

5655
03:25:48,950 --> 03:25:46,800
together we respect each other he of

5656
03:25:51,910 --> 03:25:48,960
course is involved in the digitization

5657
03:25:54,630 --> 03:25:51,920
archive project and there's a uh you

5658
03:25:56,070 --> 03:25:54,640
know isaac coy in england i need to talk

5659
03:25:59,590 --> 03:25:56,080
to him because

5660
03:26:01,670 --> 03:25:59,600
being a library sciences uh outstanding

5661
03:26:03,750 --> 03:26:01,680
award recipient from when i was a little

5662
03:26:06,389 --> 03:26:03,760
boy i love this stuff we have to come up

5663
03:26:09,030 --> 03:26:06,399
with taxonomies metadata how to handle

5664
03:26:10,469 --> 03:26:09,040
uh naming conventions oh absolutely this

5665
03:26:12,389 --> 03:26:10,479
is a complex yeah

5666
03:26:14,070 --> 03:26:12,399
and it it and as you know some of it's

5667
03:26:15,910 --> 03:26:14,080
determined by the data

5668
03:26:17,349 --> 03:26:15,920
um you know well i don't have a field

5669
03:26:20,550 --> 03:26:17,359
for that but i got this kind of piece of

5670
03:26:22,630 --> 03:26:20,560
data so now i need that so um i was

5671
03:26:24,630 --> 03:26:22,640
shocked when we started doing nut shock

5672
03:26:25,990 --> 03:26:24,640
but it was like okay i understand why

5673
03:26:27,910 --> 03:26:26,000
it's saying that

5674
03:26:29,190 --> 03:26:27,920
we started doing the the

5675
03:26:31,110 --> 03:26:29,200
researchers

5676
03:26:33,269 --> 03:26:31,120
and some of them did make up stuff

5677
03:26:36,389 --> 03:26:33,279
invented people who don't really exist

5678
03:26:38,790 --> 03:26:36,399
like catholic nuns and others

5679
03:26:40,309 --> 03:26:38,800
to catch them using the same lingo in

5680
03:26:41,670 --> 03:26:40,319
the descriptions of what the witness

5681
03:26:44,229 --> 03:26:41,680
supposedly said

5682
03:26:46,630 --> 03:26:44,239
um that was interesting because it does

5683
03:26:48,389 --> 03:26:46,640
show that you know they're busted and

5684
03:26:51,590 --> 03:26:48,399
and that needs to be

5685
03:26:53,750 --> 03:26:51,600
made down to the public and so um

5686
03:26:55,349 --> 03:26:53,760
we want to uh work with her you could

5687
03:26:57,349 --> 03:26:55,359
like plug lord of the rings in there and

5688
03:26:59,429 --> 03:26:57,359
find all the fake data points and then

5689
03:27:00,950 --> 03:26:59,439
like use it to like correct your story

5690
03:27:03,349 --> 03:27:00,960
you know if like you plugged your like

5691
03:27:04,389 --> 03:27:03,359
you know your your your novel in there

5692
03:27:05,269 --> 03:27:04,399
you know

5693
03:27:08,070 --> 03:27:05,279
well

5694
03:27:10,469 --> 03:27:08,080
on the wings real quickly i'm shocked at

5695
03:27:13,110 --> 03:27:10,479
people who don't understand that it's

5696
03:27:15,429 --> 03:27:13,120
essentially uh i'm sorry game of thrones

5697
03:27:16,229 --> 03:27:15,439
is essentially lord of the rings redone

5698
03:27:18,229 --> 03:27:16,239
uh

5699
03:27:20,630 --> 03:27:18,239
you if you tell a game of thrones

5700
03:27:23,110 --> 03:27:20,640
fanatic that they'll want to you know

5701
03:27:24,309 --> 03:27:23,120
knife you or sword you want to know that

5702
03:27:27,269 --> 03:27:24,319
but

5703
03:27:30,790 --> 03:27:28,950
maybe you can use the match-ups you know

5704
03:27:32,389 --> 03:27:30,800
plug in all the game of thrones data

5705
03:27:34,469 --> 03:27:32,399
with all lord of the rings and see if it

5706
03:27:37,510 --> 03:27:34,479
can actually tell the difference

5707
03:27:39,110 --> 03:27:37,520
well he admitted he was inspired by it

5708
03:27:41,190 --> 03:27:39,120
but you know just like he doesn't use

5709
03:27:42,550 --> 03:27:41,200
george r martin he's rr martin because

5710
03:27:44,790 --> 03:27:42,560
the other george martin is way more

5711
03:27:47,990 --> 03:27:44,800
famous you know the beatles producer you

5712
03:27:50,150 --> 03:27:48,000
know so anyway um so uh

5713
03:27:51,269 --> 03:27:50,160
i'll talk to jan and find out what

5714
03:27:52,870 --> 03:27:51,279
they're doing they have their own

5715
03:27:54,469 --> 03:27:52,880
database projects and the idea is to get

5716
03:27:56,950 --> 03:27:54,479
us all on the same page that's where

5717
03:27:59,510 --> 03:27:56,960
this is leading to yeah once we come up

5718
03:28:00,790 --> 03:27:59,520
with a work document that everyone will

5719
03:28:02,710 --> 03:28:00,800
sign off on

5720
03:28:04,229 --> 03:28:02,720
uh everyone hopefully will then say okay

5721
03:28:05,590 --> 03:28:04,239
i'm gonna name my files this way just

5722
03:28:07,990 --> 03:28:05,600
like they do just like they do the

5723
03:28:10,070 --> 03:28:08,000
taxonomies and then we'll take a look at

5724
03:28:10,950 --> 03:28:10,080
final workflows and then once we lock it

5725
03:28:13,190 --> 03:28:10,960
down

5726
03:28:15,670 --> 03:28:13,200
i will release it to the public free

5727
03:28:17,510 --> 03:28:15,680
and it's got buttons for sightings radar

5728
03:28:19,590 --> 03:28:17,520
cases seti

5729
03:28:22,710 --> 03:28:19,600
landing cases government documents

5730
03:28:25,110 --> 03:28:22,720
research archives uh electromagnetic

5731
03:28:27,030 --> 03:28:25,120
cases physical trace cases all the

5732
03:28:29,030 --> 03:28:27,040
categories of evidence because

5733
03:28:31,670 --> 03:28:29,040
many years ago as a kid and this isn't

5734
03:28:33,590 --> 03:28:31,680
the main thing it's with um

5735
03:28:35,670 --> 03:28:33,600
uh that you know this close encounter

5736
03:28:38,389 --> 03:28:35,680
first second third kind doesn't go far

5737
03:28:40,150 --> 03:28:38,399
enough okay it needs to be more but he

5738
03:28:41,830 --> 03:28:40,160
told me that that was just a stop to

5739
03:28:43,830 --> 03:28:41,840
hollywood and he went with the money

5740
03:28:45,670 --> 03:28:43,840
fine i understand that then he tried to

5741
03:28:47,670 --> 03:28:45,680
do fourth and fifth kind it's like no no

5742
03:28:49,590 --> 03:28:47,680
you need to break down a table of

5743
03:28:53,030 --> 03:28:49,600
categories with just check marks in each

5744
03:28:55,670 --> 03:28:53,040
box exactly so i had invented the six

5745
03:28:58,469 --> 03:28:55,680
category system where basically uh

5746
03:29:00,630 --> 03:28:58,479
sightings were also photographs and

5747
03:29:03,030 --> 03:29:00,640
movies taken were photographs because

5748
03:29:04,389 --> 03:29:03,040
photographs are a type of sighting they

5749
03:29:05,990 --> 03:29:04,399
supposedly have a piece of evidence to

5750
03:29:06,790 --> 03:29:06,000
back up the sighting the photo if it's

5751
03:29:09,110 --> 03:29:06,800
real

5752
03:29:10,469 --> 03:29:09,120
but it's still a sighting but if i say

5753
03:29:12,070 --> 03:29:10,479
close encounter the first kind you have

5754
03:29:13,429 --> 03:29:12,080
no idea whether it's a sighting whether

5755
03:29:15,030 --> 03:29:13,439
it's a photo whether i didn't see

5756
03:29:16,790 --> 03:29:15,040
anything something showed up on the film

5757
03:29:19,429 --> 03:29:16,800
there's those cases

5758
03:29:20,710 --> 03:29:19,439
uh so i broke this all down years ago

5759
03:29:24,229 --> 03:29:20,720
had massive

5760
03:29:26,630 --> 03:29:24,239
card index files then got into computers

5761
03:29:29,670 --> 03:29:26,640
finally when i went to apple started on

5762
03:29:31,349 --> 03:29:29,680
atari gave apro and other people

5763
03:29:32,950 --> 03:29:31,359
computers over the years

5764
03:29:36,630 --> 03:29:32,960
and then quietly helped them over the

5765
03:29:38,630 --> 03:29:36,640
years secretly on some of this stuff uh

5766
03:29:39,750 --> 03:29:38,640
you know like some of the early roswell

5767
03:29:42,309 --> 03:29:39,760
researchers

5768
03:29:43,750 --> 03:29:42,319
and um this is really revisiting that

5769
03:29:44,870 --> 03:29:43,760
and saying well now there's all this

5770
03:29:47,190 --> 03:29:44,880
stuff here

5771
03:29:49,030 --> 03:29:47,200
modern technology smartphones

5772
03:29:51,110 --> 03:29:49,040
as far as i am concerned every

5773
03:29:53,750 --> 03:29:51,120
smartphone is a potential

5774
03:29:55,670 --> 03:29:53,760
uh mars lander explorer theoretically if

5775
03:29:57,429 --> 03:29:55,680
ufo's flying around where's all the

5776
03:30:00,469 --> 03:29:57,439
bazillion smartphone photos that should

5777
03:30:03,190 --> 03:30:00,479
be there if there's cause and effect

5778
03:30:04,790 --> 03:30:03,200
who knows they're not there so we need

5779
03:30:07,030 --> 03:30:04,800
something where everybody can put all

5780
03:30:09,510 --> 03:30:07,040
the data in a platform agree that this

5781
03:30:11,429 --> 03:30:09,520
is how we handle it and the ufology will

5782
03:30:12,389 --> 03:30:11,439
separate from the ethology as that

5783
03:30:14,710 --> 03:30:12,399
process

5784
03:30:16,870 --> 03:30:14,720
unfold i think we also need an

5785
03:30:18,229 --> 03:30:16,880
alexandria type project where you know

5786
03:30:19,830 --> 03:30:18,239
like where they're trying to digitize

5787
03:30:21,670 --> 03:30:19,840
all these books or texts and you know

5788
03:30:23,429 --> 03:30:21,680
and documents and stuff because i guess

5789
03:30:26,229 --> 03:30:23,439
michael schratt has one of the largest

5790
03:30:27,830 --> 03:30:26,239
ufo databases in the planet apparently

5791
03:30:30,309 --> 03:30:27,840
he's got just warehouses full of

5792
03:30:32,710 --> 03:30:30,319
documents he's like accumulated every

5793
03:30:34,469 --> 03:30:32,720
major database that's ever existed he's

5794
03:30:36,309 --> 03:30:34,479
like he's like really into this so that

5795
03:30:37,110 --> 03:30:36,319
would be great to get if we could get

5796
03:30:39,429 --> 03:30:37,120
his

5797
03:30:41,510 --> 03:30:39,439
files with my like scientific database

5798
03:30:43,349 --> 03:30:41,520
and and and put them on like a place

5799
03:30:44,790 --> 03:30:43,359
yeah follow it all in one place i would

5800
03:30:47,670 --> 03:30:44,800
love to see some of that stuff i know

5801
03:30:49,910 --> 03:30:47,680
schratt's got a huge monster collection

5802
03:30:52,469 --> 03:30:49,920
of stuff like of every

5803
03:30:54,710 --> 03:30:52,479
every location it would require a

5804
03:30:56,630 --> 03:30:54,720
really coordinated effort of a you know

5805
03:30:57,990 --> 03:30:56,640
a lot of people but you know the payoff

5806
03:31:00,150 --> 03:30:58,000
would be worth it because there's so

5807
03:31:01,990 --> 03:31:00,160
many people in the community that would

5808
03:31:03,590 --> 03:31:02,000
you know that that need we know they

5809
03:31:06,070 --> 03:31:03,600
need this is what needs to happen this

5810
03:31:07,910 --> 03:31:06,080
is the next step for ufology

5811
03:31:09,670 --> 03:31:07,920
right and also um

5812
03:31:11,670 --> 03:31:09,680
you've got to know and put the data

5813
03:31:13,269 --> 03:31:11,680
under one virtual house so to speak but

5814
03:31:15,429 --> 03:31:13,279
then you've got to mine it and you've

5815
03:31:17,349 --> 03:31:15,439
got to mine it properly and that's where

5816
03:31:18,950 --> 03:31:17,359
the fun begins because

5817
03:31:20,790 --> 03:31:18,960
one thing i'm not going to do is open

5818
03:31:22,309 --> 03:31:20,800
this up to everybody right out the gate

5819
03:31:24,070 --> 03:31:22,319
because what's going to happen is

5820
03:31:26,309 --> 03:31:24,080
there's going to be people like mikey

5821
03:31:28,150 --> 03:31:26,319
horn type who will sit there and say oh

5822
03:31:30,870 --> 03:31:28,160
i can use the same function to go lie to

5823
03:31:33,110 --> 03:31:30,880
people and rip them off you know no

5824
03:31:35,030 --> 03:31:33,120
oh what i'm going to do is again is work

5825
03:31:37,429 --> 03:31:35,040
mikey you're not welcome in our alpha

5826
03:31:39,510 --> 03:31:37,439
test mikey horn he watches every show by

5827
03:31:40,790 --> 03:31:39,520
the way he watches every show here so hi

5828
03:31:42,550 --> 03:31:40,800
mikey horn

5829
03:31:45,190 --> 03:31:42,560
well there is a billy meyer module

5830
03:31:46,950 --> 03:31:45,200
coming out you know

5831
03:31:48,790 --> 03:31:46,960
everyone's gonna have the laser gun i

5832
03:31:50,870 --> 03:31:48,800
love the laser gun they landed with a

5833
03:31:52,550 --> 03:31:50,880
laser gun you know that the laser gun

5834
03:31:56,070 --> 03:31:52,560
was found you know that right yeah i

5835
03:31:59,269 --> 03:31:56,080
know yeah yeah from the 70s sure sure

5836
03:32:03,110 --> 03:31:59,279
yeah but uh yeah um i as i recall that

5837
03:32:05,269 --> 03:32:03,120
was a mannequin holding it uh

5838
03:32:06,150 --> 03:32:05,279
langdon noticed the hand issue wasn't

5839
03:32:09,510 --> 03:32:06,160
quite

5840
03:32:11,030 --> 03:32:09,520
uh right but who knows

5841
03:32:13,030 --> 03:32:11,040
this has been fun guys and i want to

5842
03:32:14,710 --> 03:32:13,040
thank you both for doing this and uh you

5843
03:32:15,670 --> 03:32:14,720
know maybe we both

5844
03:32:17,590 --> 03:32:15,680
i think

5845
03:32:20,229 --> 03:32:17,600
i learned a lot tonight and i'm glad to

5846
03:32:21,670 --> 03:32:20,239
know both of you guys it's good to get

5847
03:32:23,349 --> 03:32:21,680
to talk to you

5848
03:32:24,870 --> 03:32:23,359
and uh

5849
03:32:27,110 --> 03:32:24,880
if you're open to this why don't we do

5850
03:32:28,710 --> 03:32:27,120
this he hasn't seen the book and it

5851
03:32:31,269 --> 03:32:28,720
doesn't matter that i wrote it it's just

5852
03:32:33,110 --> 03:32:31,279
a set of data that goes back to the old

5853
03:32:34,550 --> 03:32:33,120
times that anybody should know is

5854
03:32:36,710 --> 03:32:34,560
foundational

5855
03:32:38,630 --> 03:32:36,720
have him go through it and you know

5856
03:32:40,870 --> 03:32:38,640
let's keep each other update if he's got

5857
03:32:42,550 --> 03:32:40,880
something that i'm wrong i'll say in

5858
03:32:44,309 --> 03:32:42,560
fact i'll make you this promise if i'm

5859
03:32:45,990 --> 03:32:44,319
wrong on roswell i promise you i'll come

5860
03:32:47,990 --> 03:32:46,000
on your show first

5861
03:32:49,590 --> 03:32:48,000
and say i'm wrong you know because i

5862
03:32:50,469 --> 03:32:49,600
don't have an ego in this i want the

5863
03:32:52,150 --> 03:32:50,479
truth

5864
03:32:53,910 --> 03:32:52,160
and that's true

5865
03:32:55,429 --> 03:32:53,920
i just i just try to play devil's

5866
03:32:57,190 --> 03:32:55,439
advocate because i want the truth as

5867
03:32:58,710 --> 03:32:57,200
well and i i think if anyone has it it

5868
03:33:00,950 --> 03:32:58,720
would be you know wright patterson or

5869
03:33:05,030 --> 03:33:00,960
battelle or something but i'm begging to

5870
03:33:07,110 --> 03:33:05,040
tell has it if these materials

5871
03:33:09,590 --> 03:33:07,120
yeah for sure but

5872
03:33:11,429 --> 03:33:09,600
um yeah i'm again i'm after that kind of

5873
03:33:13,349 --> 03:33:11,439
stuff because that's that's actionable

5874
03:33:14,710 --> 03:33:13,359
intelligence it's tangible scientific

5875
03:33:18,070 --> 03:33:14,720
data you know what i mean you can't do

5876
03:33:19,910 --> 03:33:18,080
nothing with stories

5877
03:33:23,349 --> 03:33:19,920
spooky in a live chat says i'd like to

5878
03:33:24,389 --> 03:33:23,359
see a part two so would i

5879
03:33:26,469 --> 03:33:24,399
yeah man

5880
03:33:29,429 --> 03:33:26,479
follow up on this once uh steve cambion

5881
03:33:31,190 --> 03:33:29,439
gets you know the big boost from

5882
03:33:33,590 --> 03:33:31,200
maybe some of that fame from tim poole

5883
03:33:35,510 --> 03:33:33,600
will wear off hey i hope so rub it

5884
03:33:37,110 --> 03:33:35,520
brother on me brother i need all the

5885
03:33:38,870 --> 03:33:37,120
help i can get

5886
03:33:40,469 --> 03:33:38,880
yeah and good for you what an amazing

5887
03:33:42,550 --> 03:33:40,479
experience

5888
03:33:43,670 --> 03:33:42,560
some of this crowd of like i got a flux

5889
03:33:46,229 --> 03:33:43,680
of uh

5890
03:33:48,710 --> 03:33:46,239
like 5 000 maybe 10 000 new subscribers

5891
03:33:50,710 --> 03:33:48,720
on youtube and a flood of new twitter uh

5892
03:33:52,710 --> 03:33:50,720
followers so hopefully i introduced some

5893
03:33:55,030 --> 03:33:52,720
people to your work cal and your work as

5894
03:33:57,030 --> 03:33:55,040
well steve because i'm a big fan of both

5895
03:33:59,030 --> 03:33:57,040
and uh i wouldn't have made this

5896
03:34:00,550 --> 03:33:59,040
connection if i if that weren't the case

5897
03:34:02,150 --> 03:34:00,560
and you know yeah it's so funny to me

5898
03:34:03,830 --> 03:34:02,160
because i started reading jeremy's

5899
03:34:06,070 --> 03:34:03,840
website like you were one of the first

5900
03:34:08,389 --> 03:34:06,080
people that had a website that was into

5901
03:34:10,550 --> 03:34:08,399
this stuff early website i remember

5902
03:34:12,229 --> 03:34:10,560
reading it for years and it's just it's

5903
03:34:13,910 --> 03:34:12,239
kind of bizarre and surreal to me that

5904
03:34:15,750 --> 03:34:13,920
years later we're friends and you know

5905
03:34:17,990 --> 03:34:15,760
that's awesome because i never would

5906
03:34:19,910 --> 03:34:18,000
have thought that you're reading it 10

5907
03:34:21,510 --> 03:34:19,920
years ago when you you know you had a

5908
03:34:23,110 --> 03:34:21,520
website real early didn't you you had

5909
03:34:26,150 --> 03:34:23,120
like one of the

5910
03:34:28,469 --> 03:34:26,160
early web websites 2008 and then yeah

5911
03:34:30,309 --> 03:34:28,479
probably 2009 when i started all that

5912
03:34:32,070 --> 03:34:30,319
you know and i learned i got expired

5913
03:34:33,510 --> 03:34:32,080
from american anti-gravity who's tim

5914
03:34:36,070 --> 03:34:33,520
ventura and he's like he's the one

5915
03:34:37,990 --> 03:34:36,080
running our apec you know propulsion

5916
03:34:39,429 --> 03:34:38,000
conference right now that's awesome

5917
03:34:41,190 --> 03:34:39,439
which is awesome because you know it's

5918
03:34:43,750 --> 03:34:41,200
just keeping the dream alive man you

5919
03:34:45,349 --> 03:34:43,760
know i don't know

5920
03:34:47,110 --> 03:34:45,359
well that's awesome

5921
03:34:49,030 --> 03:34:47,120
all right well are you wearing a star

5922
03:34:51,429 --> 03:34:49,040
wars shirt

5923
03:34:54,309 --> 03:34:51,439
yeah yeah man oh i got black for wearing

5924
03:34:56,309 --> 03:34:54,319
my star wars shirt oh you saw me i had

5925
03:34:57,830 --> 03:34:56,319
the i had the darth vader and the storm

5926
03:34:59,910 --> 03:34:57,840
troopers on my shirt and people were

5927
03:35:02,309 --> 03:34:59,920
like oh one of the top comments on the

5928
03:35:04,150 --> 03:35:02,319
tim's video was oh he's wearing a star

5929
03:35:06,870 --> 03:35:04,160
wars shirt we can immediately discredit

5930
03:35:20,950 --> 03:35:06,880
anything he says

5931
03:35:24,309 --> 03:35:22,870
don't make me use this

5932
03:35:25,910 --> 03:35:24,319
all right well i'm gonna we're gonna

5933
03:35:27,510 --> 03:35:25,920
wrap things up here i'm gonna throw you

5934
03:35:29,990 --> 03:35:27,520
guys both out and play a short bumper

5935
03:35:31,750 --> 03:35:30,000
and i will be right back with you okay

5936
03:35:33,830 --> 03:35:31,760
awesome thanks again for doing this i

5937
03:35:34,790 --> 03:35:33,840
really appreciate it i'm gonna throw you

5938
03:35:38,710 --> 03:35:34,800
out

5939
03:35:41,590 --> 03:35:38,720
and

5940
03:35:43,910 --> 03:35:41,600
well uh friends uh what an amazing

5941
03:35:45,990 --> 03:35:43,920
evening it has been to talk to two of my

5942
03:35:48,070 --> 03:35:46,000
really two two of my favorite people

5943
03:35:49,910 --> 03:35:48,080
that are into these subjects and i want

5944
03:35:50,950 --> 03:35:49,920
to thank both of them again

5945
03:35:54,150 --> 03:35:50,960
uh

5946
03:35:56,950 --> 03:35:54,160
it's just this series is just got so

5947
03:35:58,070 --> 03:35:56,960
many twists and turns you know we go

5948
03:36:01,590 --> 03:35:58,080
from

5949
03:36:02,950 --> 03:36:01,600
believing it to not maybe not so much to

5950
03:36:05,190 --> 03:36:02,960
thinking this

5951
03:36:08,630 --> 03:36:05,200
person is credible to thinking maybe

5952
03:36:12,710 --> 03:36:10,309
this is one of the

5953
03:36:14,790 --> 03:36:12,720
greatest mysteries and there's so many

5954
03:36:16,550 --> 03:36:14,800
twists and turns in it i can't wait to

5955
03:36:19,110 --> 03:36:16,560
see what happens next we're going to be

5956
03:36:21,110 --> 03:36:19,120
continuing our series i'm hopeful that

5957
03:36:22,150 --> 03:36:21,120
we're going to get uh don schmidt to

5958
03:36:24,150 --> 03:36:22,160
appear

5959
03:36:26,469 --> 03:36:24,160
but i'm still waiting for him to confirm

5960
03:36:28,070 --> 03:36:26,479
um

5961
03:36:29,110 --> 03:36:28,080
stay tuned friends because we're going

5962
03:36:31,269 --> 03:36:29,120
to keep

5963
03:36:34,790 --> 03:36:31,279
drilling down on this until we get to

5964
03:36:36,550 --> 03:36:34,800
some kind of uh consensus

5965
03:36:38,150 --> 03:36:36,560
all right friends uh

5966
03:36:39,269 --> 03:36:38,160
i want to thank you all for joining me

5967
03:36:40,950 --> 03:36:39,279
i'm always happy when there's an

5968
03:36:43,590 --> 03:36:40,960
audience thank you so much for being a

5969
03:36:45,910 --> 03:36:43,600
part of mine until next time friends my

5970
03:36:50,860 --> 03:36:45,920
name is stephen campion good night and

5971
03:36:50,870 --> 03:38:02,950
[Music]

5972
03:38:02,960 --> 03:38:06,860
so

5973
03:38:11,220 --> 03:38:09,860
[Music]

5974
03:38:25,380 --> 03:38:11,230
[Applause]

5975
03:38:25,490 --> 03:38:25,390
[Music]

5976
03:39:06,230 --> 03:38:25,500
[Applause]

5977
03:39:30,820 --> 03:39:30,250
[Music]

5978
03:39:40,220 --> 03:39:30,830
[Applause]

5979
03:41:00,389 --> 03:39:40,230
[Music]

5980
03:41:05,830 --> 03:41:03,670
greetings and salutations

5981
03:41:07,990 --> 03:41:05,840
old friends and hopefully some new

5982
03:41:09,110 --> 03:41:08,000
friends uh here

5983
03:41:14,389 --> 03:41:09,120
welcome

5984
03:41:17,269 --> 03:41:14,399
truth seeker special event uh we are

5985
03:41:19,189 --> 03:41:17,279
continuing in our revisiting roswell

5986
03:41:21,750 --> 03:41:19,199
series bringing together the world's

5987
03:41:23,590 --> 03:41:21,760
greatest researchers authors

5988
03:41:24,870 --> 03:41:23,600
historians

5989
03:41:28,469 --> 03:41:24,880
uh

5990
03:41:31,349 --> 03:41:28,479
and experts into the roswell event and i

5991
03:41:34,309 --> 03:41:31,359
can think of no better expert really

5992
03:41:36,550 --> 03:41:34,319
world-renowned expert to welcome to our

5993
03:41:38,710 --> 03:41:36,560
show uh when talking about the roswell

5994
03:41:42,630 --> 03:41:38,720
event then tonight's guest

5995
03:41:45,189 --> 03:41:42,640
donald r schmidt uh donald r smith is a

5996
03:41:47,269 --> 03:41:45,199
graduate of concordia university five

5997
03:41:48,550 --> 03:41:47,279
times best-selling author actually i

5998
03:41:50,469 --> 03:41:48,560
think this is a little old it's probably

5999
03:41:51,590 --> 03:41:50,479
six or seven times best-selling author

6000
03:41:53,429 --> 03:41:51,600
by now

6001
03:41:56,389 --> 03:41:53,439
he's also the former co-director of the

6002
03:41:58,710 --> 03:41:56,399
j allen uh highneck center for ufo

6003
03:42:01,429 --> 03:41:58,720
studies of chicago there he served as

6004
03:42:02,950 --> 03:42:01,439
the director of special investigations

6005
03:42:04,630 --> 03:42:02,960
for 10 years

6006
03:42:06,070 --> 03:42:04,640
and he's also the founder one of the

6007
03:42:08,309 --> 03:42:06,080
founders and board advisor to

6008
03:42:11,910 --> 03:42:08,319
international ufo museum and research

6009
03:42:16,710 --> 03:42:13,510
besides that

6010
03:42:19,429 --> 03:42:16,720
you may be aware that he is also

6011
03:42:21,910 --> 03:42:19,439
was a film consultant for the film

6012
03:42:24,550 --> 03:42:21,920
roswell the hollywood movie

6013
03:42:27,110 --> 03:42:24,560
as well as appearing on many different

6014
03:42:29,030 --> 03:42:27,120
documentaries uh

6015
03:42:32,229 --> 03:42:29,040
he's been on tons of radio shows

6016
03:42:34,790 --> 03:42:32,239
podcasts uh television

6017
03:42:36,630 --> 03:42:34,800
all usually discussing the roswell or

6018
03:42:39,349 --> 03:42:36,640
other ufo events

6019
03:42:40,870 --> 03:42:39,359
so pleased to have him uh

6020
03:42:43,349 --> 03:42:40,880
so ladies and gentlemen let's welcome

6021
03:42:44,870 --> 03:42:43,359
our guest mr don schmidt how you doing

6022
03:42:47,510 --> 03:42:44,880
mr schmidt it's good to talk to you

6023
03:42:49,510 --> 03:42:47,520
again well you're very kind very

6024
03:42:51,349 --> 03:42:49,520
very flattered by your introduction so

6025
03:42:53,429 --> 03:42:51,359
thank you well you may remember i

6026
03:42:55,269 --> 03:42:53,439
interviewed one other time and it was my

6027
03:42:58,870 --> 03:42:55,279
probably my favorite interview of my

6028
03:43:00,469 --> 03:42:58,880
radio show was you and uh stan friedman

6029
03:43:02,630 --> 03:43:00,479
those were my two favorites from that

6030
03:43:05,510 --> 03:43:02,640
whole run of hundreds of interviews and

6031
03:43:07,670 --> 03:43:05,520
the most memorable to me thank you

6032
03:43:09,670 --> 03:43:07,680
so i'm not sure where to begin but i did

6033
03:43:11,990 --> 03:43:09,680
want to begin

6034
03:43:14,070 --> 03:43:12,000
with i know you've had this lifelong

6035
03:43:16,950 --> 03:43:14,080
interest in ufos i don't know that i've

6036
03:43:19,269 --> 03:43:16,960
ever asked heard anybody ask you why the

6037
03:43:22,309 --> 03:43:19,279
interest in ufos and then

6038
03:43:25,830 --> 03:43:22,319
why specifically to roswell being such a

6039
03:43:28,550 --> 03:43:25,840
focus of your research and and authors

6040
03:43:30,790 --> 03:43:28,560
authorship of so many books

6041
03:43:32,790 --> 03:43:30,800
i was just uh

6042
03:43:35,349 --> 03:43:32,800
in fourth grade at the time of the

6043
03:43:36,630 --> 03:43:35,359
kennedy assassination

6044
03:43:39,189 --> 03:43:36,640
and

6045
03:43:41,830 --> 03:43:39,199
i was home alone with my mother that

6046
03:43:45,110 --> 03:43:41,840
weekend my father was only in business

6047
03:43:46,830 --> 03:43:45,120
and i was glued to the television set

6048
03:43:50,870 --> 03:43:46,840
for four straight

6049
03:43:53,269 --> 03:43:50,880
days and it's an argument i often use

6050
03:43:56,229 --> 03:43:53,279
against those who suggest

6051
03:43:59,349 --> 03:43:56,239
that well you know memories fade people

6052
03:44:01,670 --> 03:43:59,359
forget they they exaggerate

6053
03:44:04,309 --> 03:44:01,680
they fabricate you know events

6054
03:44:06,070 --> 03:44:04,319
in their lives because uh

6055
03:44:07,429 --> 03:44:06,080
our memories just did not remember

6056
03:44:09,030 --> 03:44:07,439
remain intact

6057
03:44:12,550 --> 03:44:09,040
and

6058
03:44:15,349 --> 03:44:12,560
this happened now going on

6059
03:44:19,670 --> 03:44:15,359
we're approaching 60 years ago

6060
03:44:22,630 --> 03:44:19,680
sure and i remember down to the minute

6061
03:44:24,309 --> 03:44:22,640
exactly what transpired when we first

6062
03:44:27,429 --> 03:44:24,319
got word

6063
03:44:30,309 --> 03:44:27,439
and the nuns wheeling the television set

6064
03:44:32,710 --> 03:44:30,319
into the classroom and what they said

6065
03:44:35,030 --> 03:44:32,720
and then how we were you know released

6066
03:44:37,830 --> 03:44:35,040
early that day and then watching my

6067
03:44:39,910 --> 03:44:37,840
mother cry you know for three straight

6068
03:44:42,830 --> 03:44:39,920
days over what was happening right

6069
03:44:46,710 --> 03:44:42,840
before our eyes that type of thing

6070
03:44:48,630 --> 03:44:46,720
and i wasn't in dealey plaza at the time

6071
03:44:50,870 --> 03:44:48,640
i wasn't down in dallas

6072
03:44:53,670 --> 03:44:50,880
i wasn't involved in any

6073
03:44:55,750 --> 03:44:53,680
manner shape or form and yet i remember

6074
03:44:58,469 --> 03:44:55,760
exactly what because it was such a

6075
03:45:00,070 --> 03:44:58,479
profound event in my life

6076
03:45:03,830 --> 03:45:00,080
so it's the same argument that we would

6077
03:45:06,309 --> 03:45:03,840
use regarding our witnesses at roswell

6078
03:45:08,070 --> 03:45:06,319
the difference being they were there

6079
03:45:10,469 --> 03:45:08,080
they were involved

6080
03:45:11,670 --> 03:45:10,479
it's that profound so how do you ever

6081
03:45:12,790 --> 03:45:11,680
forget

6082
03:45:14,550 --> 03:45:12,800
and so

6083
03:45:16,630 --> 03:45:14,560
that carried over

6084
03:45:17,750 --> 03:45:16,640
it was a few years later

6085
03:45:20,790 --> 03:45:17,760
and

6086
03:45:23,189 --> 03:45:20,800
i already was very much in the history

6087
03:45:24,389 --> 03:45:23,199
love history books my parents could tell

6088
03:45:26,150 --> 03:45:24,399
you that

6089
03:45:27,830 --> 03:45:26,160
whenever they'd ask well what would you

6090
03:45:29,189 --> 03:45:27,840
like for christmas or for your birthday

6091
03:45:32,790 --> 03:45:29,199
that type of thing

6092
03:45:34,710 --> 03:45:32,800
i would have book titles listed

6093
03:45:36,870 --> 03:45:34,720
six years old already i wanted books for

6094
03:45:38,469 --> 03:45:36,880
christmas

6095
03:45:41,910 --> 03:45:38,479
so

6096
03:45:43,670 --> 03:45:41,920
we're christmas shopping and i

6097
03:45:45,990 --> 03:45:43,680
slipped away into the book section of

6098
03:45:47,990 --> 03:45:46,000
the department store

6099
03:45:50,630 --> 03:45:48,000
now mind you this was right after the

6100
03:45:53,110 --> 03:45:50,640
warren report

6101
03:45:54,710 --> 03:45:53,120
came out was released the kennedy

6102
03:45:57,510 --> 03:45:54,720
assassination

6103
03:45:58,469 --> 03:45:57,520
investigation at that time

6104
03:46:01,189 --> 03:45:58,479
and

6105
03:46:03,590 --> 03:46:01,199
there was this book

6106
03:46:05,269 --> 03:46:03,600
that had the exact same words that were

6107
03:46:06,790 --> 03:46:05,279
being banded about at the time of the

6108
03:46:09,349 --> 03:46:06,800
warren report

6109
03:46:13,110 --> 03:46:09,359
whitewash cover-up

6110
03:46:15,429 --> 03:46:13,120
but it was in reference to a ufo book

6111
03:46:18,790 --> 03:46:15,439
it was a frank edwards book flying

6112
03:46:22,070 --> 03:46:18,800
saucer serious business

6113
03:46:23,189 --> 03:46:22,080
and i paged through it and i thought wow

6114
03:46:26,229 --> 03:46:23,199
what a

6115
03:46:27,910 --> 03:46:26,239
big story if this is all true we're

6116
03:46:29,269 --> 03:46:27,920
being visited

6117
03:46:31,990 --> 03:46:29,279
you know there's an intelligence from

6118
03:46:33,750 --> 03:46:32,000
off the planet that may be actually

6119
03:46:35,910 --> 03:46:33,760
here

6120
03:46:38,070 --> 03:46:35,920
and sure why are we hearing about this

6121
03:46:40,070 --> 03:46:38,080
in the mainstream media why is this

6122
03:46:42,550 --> 03:46:40,080
being whitewashed why is this being

6123
03:46:45,110 --> 03:46:42,560
covered up that type of thing

6124
03:46:47,030 --> 03:46:45,120
and so i couldn't get

6125
03:46:48,389 --> 03:46:47,040
enough of the

6126
03:46:51,110 --> 03:46:48,399
the subject matter

6127
03:46:52,630 --> 03:46:51,120
i couldn't wait to find another ufo book

6128
03:46:55,189 --> 03:46:52,640
and the one chapter in the book was

6129
03:46:58,870 --> 03:46:55,199
entitled who's driving

6130
03:47:00,950 --> 03:46:58,880
and it was all about ufo occupant cases

6131
03:47:03,189 --> 03:47:00,960
and wouldn't you know what my next book

6132
03:47:04,710 --> 03:47:03,199
was by coral and jim lorenzen the

6133
03:47:06,870 --> 03:47:04,720
founders of the aerial phenomena

6134
03:47:10,469 --> 03:47:06,880
research organization april

6135
03:47:12,229 --> 03:47:10,479
entitled flying saucer occupants

6136
03:47:14,790 --> 03:47:12,239
so the whole book was

6137
03:47:16,830 --> 03:47:14,800
ce3 occupant

6138
03:47:18,950 --> 03:47:16,840
stories from around the

6139
03:47:21,910 --> 03:47:18,960
world and

6140
03:47:24,870 --> 03:47:21,920
as coral and jim

6141
03:47:26,950 --> 03:47:24,880
in the opening text

6142
03:47:28,630 --> 03:47:26,960
suggested to the reader

6143
03:47:31,990 --> 03:47:28,640
you don't have to believe all of these

6144
03:47:32,950 --> 03:47:32,000
cases but just imagine if just one is

6145
03:47:34,309 --> 03:47:32,960
true

6146
03:47:36,389 --> 03:47:34,319
just one

6147
03:47:39,510 --> 03:47:36,399
and how it changes everything changes

6148
03:47:43,110 --> 03:47:39,520
our perception of this world of our

6149
03:47:44,870 --> 03:47:43,120
lives of our futures everything

6150
03:47:46,630 --> 03:47:44,880
and so

6151
03:47:47,510 --> 03:47:46,640
throughout high school

6152
03:47:56,469 --> 03:47:47,520
i

6153
03:47:58,309 --> 03:47:56,479
ufos

6154
03:48:00,070 --> 03:47:58,319
without so much time right you must have

6155
03:48:01,429 --> 03:48:00,080
much more understanding teachers than me

6156
03:48:03,670 --> 03:48:01,439
i went to catholic school they weren't

6157
03:48:05,670 --> 03:48:03,680
here or anything like that well

6158
03:48:07,670 --> 03:48:05,680
i went that's great so you had this

6159
03:48:09,750 --> 03:48:07,680
early burning interest in this

6160
03:48:11,110 --> 03:48:09,760
absolutely and i had i went to parochial

6161
03:48:12,070 --> 03:48:11,120
school i went to catholic school for

6162
03:48:14,389 --> 03:48:12,080
eight years

6163
03:48:16,389 --> 03:48:14,399
but i went to a public high school

6164
03:48:18,469 --> 03:48:16,399
and so uh yes you're absolutely correct

6165
03:48:20,630 --> 03:48:18,479
stephen they were very open

6166
03:48:22,790 --> 03:48:20,640
to the subject matter because it was at

6167
03:48:24,870 --> 03:48:22,800
the time that the air force was still

6168
03:48:28,790 --> 03:48:24,880
officially investigating the phenomena

6169
03:48:30,389 --> 03:48:28,800
it was still in the public genre

6170
03:48:32,550 --> 03:48:30,399
for for that time

6171
03:48:35,030 --> 03:48:32,560
and so you couldn't

6172
03:48:37,189 --> 03:48:35,040
that readily just dismissed something

6173
03:48:39,349 --> 03:48:37,199
that the government was still officially

6174
03:48:41,349 --> 03:48:39,359
investigating

6175
03:48:43,750 --> 03:48:41,359
so it was

6176
03:48:45,510 --> 03:48:43,760
was open territory in that regard

6177
03:48:47,189 --> 03:48:45,520
and then through college and then

6178
03:48:49,910 --> 03:48:47,199
thereafter i went into investigative

6179
03:48:51,990 --> 03:48:49,920
training because i wanted to

6180
03:48:54,229 --> 03:48:52,000
be in the field i wanted to actually

6181
03:48:56,389 --> 03:48:54,239
work on these cases i couldn't imagine

6182
03:48:58,229 --> 03:48:56,399
anything more exciting than actually

6183
03:49:00,950 --> 03:48:58,239
being with witnesses

6184
03:49:03,030 --> 03:49:00,960
and recreating their experiences

6185
03:49:04,790 --> 03:49:03,040
and going to the scene of the crime so

6186
03:49:08,630 --> 03:49:04,800
to speak

6187
03:49:11,110 --> 03:49:08,640
and yet i was still a skeptic on roswell

6188
03:49:12,950 --> 03:49:11,120
wow i still remain a skeptic on roswell

6189
03:49:15,510 --> 03:49:12,960
in fact even through the mid 80s i put

6190
03:49:17,750 --> 03:49:15,520
out a paper i that i could not accept

6191
03:49:19,750 --> 03:49:17,760
that something of that magnitude could

6192
03:49:21,910 --> 03:49:19,760
be kept a secret

6193
03:49:23,590 --> 03:49:21,920
for 40 years as the case would be at

6194
03:49:24,550 --> 03:49:23,600
that time

6195
03:49:27,110 --> 03:49:24,560
and

6196
03:49:28,389 --> 03:49:27,120
for making that first trip with uh with

6197
03:49:31,750 --> 03:49:28,399
kevin randle

6198
03:49:33,910 --> 03:49:31,760
in 1989 both of us we were so confident

6199
03:49:35,269 --> 03:49:33,920
that we would i heard i interviewed him

6200
03:49:37,030 --> 03:49:35,279
and he said that you guys thought that

6201
03:49:39,349 --> 03:49:37,040
you would just you would just wrap this

6202
03:49:41,830 --> 03:49:39,359
whole case up case closed in a few days

6203
03:49:44,309 --> 03:49:41,840
right you know weekend single weekend

6204
03:49:46,229 --> 03:49:44,319
john down to you know the land of

6205
03:49:47,429 --> 03:49:46,239
enchantment new mexico

6206
03:49:49,590 --> 03:49:47,439
and

6207
03:49:52,389 --> 03:49:49,600
the first day that appeared to be the

6208
03:49:55,189 --> 03:49:52,399
case because we were speaking to only

6209
03:49:57,429 --> 03:49:55,199
third hand fourth hand witnesses

6210
03:49:59,910 --> 03:49:57,439
but on the second and third day as we

6211
03:50:02,150 --> 03:49:59,920
were talking to the first hand who had

6212
03:50:04,790 --> 03:50:02,160
actually handled the wreckage the

6213
03:50:06,469 --> 03:50:04,800
material and one by one they're

6214
03:50:09,030 --> 03:50:06,479
describing the

6215
03:50:12,309 --> 03:50:09,040
the same characteristics the same

6216
03:50:15,670 --> 03:50:12,319
properties of this this unusual this

6217
03:50:17,510 --> 03:50:15,680
bizarre material that even 40 years in

6218
03:50:19,750 --> 03:50:17,520
the future they still have never seen

6219
03:50:22,229 --> 03:50:19,760
anything like it they still could not

6220
03:50:24,469 --> 03:50:22,239
comprehend what they had held in their

6221
03:50:26,950 --> 03:50:24,479
very hands and so kevin and i were

6222
03:50:28,710 --> 03:50:26,960
walking away and going gee

6223
03:50:31,910 --> 03:50:28,720
maybe we need to get back down here as

6224
03:50:33,830 --> 03:50:31,920
fast we can because what if we're wrong

6225
03:50:36,229 --> 03:50:33,840
and we decided we needed to start

6226
03:50:38,150 --> 03:50:36,239
treating it as though it was the genuine

6227
03:50:39,590 --> 03:50:38,160
article because i think the worst thing

6228
03:50:41,189 --> 03:50:39,600
would have been

6229
03:50:44,229 --> 03:50:41,199
is that we would have still approached

6230
03:50:45,590 --> 03:50:44,239
this with the preconceived position

6231
03:50:46,870 --> 03:50:45,600
we're out to prove that this didn't

6232
03:50:49,750 --> 03:50:46,880
happen

6233
03:50:53,510 --> 03:50:49,760
and i'm sorry whether it's

6234
03:50:55,110 --> 03:50:53,520
from the skeptical or the

6235
03:50:57,429 --> 03:50:55,120
outright believer

6236
03:51:00,070 --> 03:50:57,439
that's not the scientific methodology

6237
03:51:03,189 --> 03:51:00,080
you go where the evidence leads you

6238
03:51:08,950 --> 03:51:05,990
as it develops and as it remains fluid

6239
03:51:10,870 --> 03:51:08,960
as you approach it you let it steer

6240
03:51:13,429 --> 03:51:10,880
rudder the ship

6241
03:51:16,150 --> 03:51:13,439
anytime any scientist so-called

6242
03:51:19,189 --> 03:51:16,160
scientist has a preconceived theory and

6243
03:51:22,469 --> 03:51:19,199
they set out to prove it

6244
03:51:25,189 --> 03:51:22,479
there's nothing scientific about that

6245
03:51:27,349 --> 03:51:25,199
because you're going to cherry pick

6246
03:51:28,790 --> 03:51:27,359
information yeah i think i think in this

6247
03:51:31,189 --> 03:51:28,800
field there's a lot of that there's

6248
03:51:33,030 --> 03:51:31,199
believers and they believe that this was

6249
03:51:34,710 --> 03:51:33,040
aliens so they find the evidence that

6250
03:51:35,990 --> 03:51:34,720
would indicate it's alien and they only

6251
03:51:38,150 --> 03:51:36,000
talk about that

6252
03:51:39,670 --> 03:51:38,160
they don't they don't accept both sides

6253
03:51:42,070 --> 03:51:39,680
and that's not a good way to do it i

6254
03:51:43,349 --> 03:51:42,080
could not agree more and the other the

6255
03:51:45,110 --> 03:51:43,359
other thing is

6256
03:51:47,030 --> 03:51:45,120
and i find this even especially with

6257
03:51:49,349 --> 03:51:47,040
journalists

6258
03:51:51,349 --> 03:51:49,359
in dealing with eyewitnesses and

6259
03:51:53,590 --> 03:51:51,359
that's the situation we have with

6260
03:51:55,910 --> 03:51:53,600
roswell that's a situation we basically

6261
03:51:58,870 --> 03:51:55,920
have with the entire investigation of

6262
03:52:00,950 --> 03:51:58,880
ufos that we're still dealing with a

6263
03:52:03,349 --> 03:52:00,960
witness

6264
03:52:05,750 --> 03:52:03,359
a phenomenon

6265
03:52:08,710 --> 03:52:05,760
roswell if we actually had a piece of

6266
03:52:10,309 --> 03:52:08,720
hardware in our possession

6267
03:52:11,750 --> 03:52:10,319
it wouldn't matter what any witnesses it

6268
03:52:13,189 --> 03:52:11,760
wouldn't matter what any skeptics or

6269
03:52:14,870 --> 03:52:13,199
believers said you know we'll let the

6270
03:52:16,150 --> 03:52:14,880
evidence speak for itself yeah that

6271
03:52:17,269 --> 03:52:16,160
would be the holy grail if we could

6272
03:52:20,070 --> 03:52:17,279
fight

6273
03:52:22,630 --> 03:52:20,080
yeah and we continue that's where our

6274
03:52:24,870 --> 03:52:22,640
greatest effort continues

6275
03:52:27,269 --> 03:52:24,880
yet

6276
03:52:29,510 --> 03:52:27,279
as an investigative journalist as an

6277
03:52:30,950 --> 03:52:29,520
investigative researcher

6278
03:52:32,070 --> 03:52:30,960
writer

6279
03:52:34,630 --> 03:52:32,080
what

6280
03:52:35,670 --> 03:52:34,640
most still do not do

6281
03:52:37,590 --> 03:52:35,680
is

6282
03:52:38,710 --> 03:52:37,600
they they feel they've

6283
03:52:42,070 --> 03:52:38,720
wrapped up

6284
03:52:43,750 --> 03:52:42,080
an interview and then they make a

6285
03:52:45,990 --> 03:52:43,760
a judgmental call

6286
03:52:48,070 --> 03:52:46,000
as to well now do i believe this do i

6287
03:52:50,229 --> 03:52:48,080
accept this is there room for air do i

6288
03:52:53,429 --> 03:52:50,239
provide a little attitude that type of

6289
03:52:56,870 --> 03:52:53,439
thing but how many step back and say

6290
03:52:58,790 --> 03:52:56,880
what if this person is telling the truth

6291
03:53:01,590 --> 03:52:58,800
most journalists don't do that nowadays

6292
03:53:04,229 --> 03:53:01,600
and most investigators don't do that

6293
03:53:06,790 --> 03:53:04,239
they feel as though even in dealing with

6294
03:53:08,309 --> 03:53:06,800
just a people

6295
03:53:09,750 --> 03:53:08,319
situation

6296
03:53:11,189 --> 03:53:09,760
that they know what's in the person's

6297
03:53:12,150 --> 03:53:11,199
head they know what's in the person's

6298
03:53:14,229 --> 03:53:12,160
heart

6299
03:53:15,590 --> 03:53:14,239
that they can make that call

6300
03:53:18,070 --> 03:53:15,600
and i think that's one of the reasons

6301
03:53:20,070 --> 03:53:18,080
that you have to educate yourself as

6302
03:53:23,110 --> 03:53:20,080
much as possible

6303
03:53:25,830 --> 03:53:23,120
that you don't become the end-all as as

6304
03:53:28,469 --> 03:53:25,840
much as you at least have

6305
03:53:29,670 --> 03:53:28,479
so much information

6306
03:53:31,030 --> 03:53:29,680
to

6307
03:53:33,030 --> 03:53:31,040
rely on

6308
03:53:36,710 --> 03:53:33,040
in making such a call

6309
03:53:38,710 --> 03:53:36,720
that well if they describe

6310
03:53:40,550 --> 03:53:38,720
where for example stephen if i have 10

6311
03:53:43,590 --> 03:53:40,560
witnesses tell me that the ship at

6312
03:53:45,429 --> 03:53:43,600
roswell was shaped one way

6313
03:53:47,830 --> 03:53:45,439
and then i have a lone individual comes

6314
03:53:50,790 --> 03:53:47,840
forward and says well it was shaped like

6315
03:53:52,710 --> 03:53:50,800
this and it was as big as a house

6316
03:53:55,189 --> 03:53:52,720
and it wasn't located there it was

6317
03:53:56,950 --> 03:53:55,199
located here and well

6318
03:53:59,510 --> 03:53:56,960
i i think we have the makings of

6319
03:54:00,950 --> 03:53:59,520
disqualifying that individual

6320
03:54:02,550 --> 03:54:00,960
yeah but

6321
03:54:05,349 --> 03:54:02,560
the majority are telling you right but

6322
03:54:06,710 --> 03:54:05,359
it's up to me to have done enough

6323
03:54:08,870 --> 03:54:06,720
homework

6324
03:54:11,349 --> 03:54:08,880
that i can weigh

6325
03:54:12,870 --> 03:54:11,359
all that information because you're

6326
03:54:15,750 --> 03:54:12,880
you're hitting on something stephen that

6327
03:54:18,389 --> 03:54:15,760
i see more and more where alone in a

6328
03:54:20,630 --> 03:54:18,399
loan researcher a loan investigator

6329
03:54:22,150 --> 03:54:20,640
will speak to one individual

6330
03:54:24,630 --> 03:54:22,160
and they'll go

6331
03:54:26,870 --> 03:54:24,640
i have the star witness i can wrap this

6332
03:54:29,189 --> 03:54:26,880
up i have one individual i've never

6333
03:54:31,670 --> 03:54:29,199
talked to anyone else but i have a

6334
03:54:34,550 --> 03:54:31,680
witness that you guys haven't talked to

6335
03:54:35,750 --> 03:54:34,560
and they say this and take it or leave

6336
03:54:42,710 --> 03:54:35,760
it

6337
03:54:44,070 --> 03:54:42,720
a fault you're starting on a faulty as

6338
03:54:47,429 --> 03:54:44,080
far as premise

6339
03:54:49,510 --> 03:54:47,439
and you're demonstrating that um you're

6340
03:54:51,510 --> 03:54:49,520
really not an investigator as much as

6341
03:54:53,990 --> 03:54:51,520
you are an exploiter

6342
03:54:56,070 --> 03:54:54,000
what you're what you're seeking to do is

6343
03:54:58,550 --> 03:54:56,080
you know checkmate

6344
03:55:00,790 --> 03:54:58,560
by just making one move and coming into

6345
03:55:01,910 --> 03:55:00,800
the game you know hours late that type

6346
03:55:04,150 --> 03:55:01,920
of thing

6347
03:55:05,349 --> 03:55:04,160
uh we have many colleagues in the field

6348
03:55:07,670 --> 03:55:05,359
like that

6349
03:55:11,269 --> 03:55:07,680
and god bless them at least they're

6350
03:55:14,710 --> 03:55:11,279
supporting the case in that regard but

6351
03:55:18,070 --> 03:55:14,720
you know they'll pull this um

6352
03:55:20,150 --> 03:55:18,080
as far as like area 51

6353
03:55:22,070 --> 03:55:20,160
that particular book

6354
03:55:24,070 --> 03:55:22,080
with annie jacobson

6355
03:55:25,910 --> 03:55:24,080
where you come up with a yeah i have had

6356
03:55:27,670 --> 03:55:25,920
so many people bring that up to me and

6357
03:55:29,590 --> 03:55:27,680
the reason that that's problematic is

6358
03:55:31,990 --> 03:55:29,600
because the witness that she used that

6359
03:55:33,830 --> 03:55:32,000
told her all this stuff he later said i

6360
03:55:35,990 --> 03:55:33,840
was just trying to help her sell books

6361
03:55:38,229 --> 03:55:36,000
number one and number two

6362
03:55:47,269 --> 03:55:38,239
he told george knapp an entirely

6363
03:56:23,189 --> 03:56:08,469
is

6364
03:56:26,389 --> 03:56:25,110
jammed them into a horton brother flying

6365
03:56:27,910 --> 03:56:26,399
away oh that's what it was you're right

6366
03:56:30,309 --> 03:56:27,920
i apologize

6367
03:56:32,469 --> 03:56:30,319
i read that by the russians and first of

6368
03:56:34,630 --> 03:56:32,479
all historically joseph mengele was not

6369
03:56:37,590 --> 03:56:34,640
captured by the russians no he's in

6370
03:56:39,030 --> 03:56:37,600
argentina he escaped to argentina he

6371
03:56:42,070 --> 03:56:39,040
married a

6372
03:56:44,550 --> 03:56:42,080
beautiful uh woman in argentina that he

6373
03:56:46,309 --> 03:56:44,560
lived out the rest of his life with

6374
03:56:48,389 --> 03:56:46,319
and a lot of those nazis did they either

6375
03:56:49,910 --> 03:56:48,399
went to paperclip or argentina those

6376
03:56:52,229 --> 03:56:49,920
were the two places you went if you were

6377
03:56:54,070 --> 03:56:52,239
verified nazi after world war ii

6378
03:56:56,389 --> 03:56:54,080
but gently stephen is there all types of

6379
03:56:58,790 --> 03:56:56,399
fbi documents that they knew they were

6380
03:57:01,349 --> 03:56:58,800
down there and yeah they were more

6381
03:57:04,309 --> 03:57:01,359
concerned about the cold war and that

6382
03:57:06,389 --> 03:57:04,319
the nazis could help us with their

6383
03:57:09,269 --> 03:57:06,399
information regarding

6384
03:57:12,309 --> 03:57:09,279
the soviet the soviet union so we were

6385
03:57:13,990 --> 03:57:12,319
using as far as them in that regard so

6386
03:57:15,670 --> 03:57:14,000
uh

6387
03:57:17,590 --> 03:57:15,680
annie you totally spun the entire

6388
03:57:18,389 --> 03:57:17,600
situation and then as far as the flying

6389
03:57:21,429 --> 03:57:18,399
wing

6390
03:57:24,710 --> 03:57:21,439
well there were only two

6391
03:57:27,269 --> 03:57:24,720
recovered uh prototypes and both in

6392
03:57:28,950 --> 03:57:27,279
pieces both in places

6393
03:57:31,189 --> 03:57:28,960
was one was reassembled and it's

6394
03:57:32,469 --> 03:57:31,199
presently at the smithsonian yeah i've

6395
03:57:35,189 --> 03:57:32,479
seen it

6396
03:57:36,710 --> 03:57:35,199
and it's nothing more than tubular

6397
03:57:38,229 --> 03:57:36,720
bicycle

6398
03:57:41,429 --> 03:57:38,239
uh metal

6399
03:57:42,790 --> 03:57:41,439
with varnished wood

6400
03:57:45,349 --> 03:57:42,800
as far as happening around the frame

6401
03:57:47,189 --> 03:57:45,359
yeah on the frame that type of thing so

6402
03:57:49,990 --> 03:57:47,199
annie we're supposed to believe that

6403
03:57:52,630 --> 03:57:50,000
mengele created 13 year old children to

6404
03:57:55,429 --> 03:57:52,640
appear alien and they were flown all the

6405
03:57:58,150 --> 03:57:55,439
way from russia to the central high

6406
03:57:59,590 --> 03:57:58,160
desert of new mexico yeah the gas tank

6407
03:58:03,189 --> 03:57:59,600
wouldn't even go that far like just

6408
03:58:05,349 --> 03:58:03,199
logically it's so implausible

6409
03:58:07,269 --> 03:58:05,359
yeah yeah yet to this day even though as

6410
03:58:09,990 --> 03:58:07,279
you mentioned as well that her source

6411
03:58:12,150 --> 03:58:10,000
has reneged his back down he did even as

6412
03:58:14,309 --> 03:58:12,160
far as an abc nightline where he

6413
03:58:16,389 --> 03:58:14,319
recanted return and he made that comment

6414
03:58:18,710 --> 03:58:16,399
i was just trying to help her sell books

6415
03:58:20,950 --> 03:58:18,720
well she's still trying to sell books

6416
03:58:23,830 --> 03:58:20,960
yeah well good for her because it worked

6417
03:58:25,750 --> 03:58:23,840
she's so rough in that book yeah which

6418
03:58:28,309 --> 03:58:25,760
otherwise was a decent book i'll give

6419
03:58:30,790 --> 03:58:28,319
her that like i like area 51 i like

6420
03:58:33,269 --> 03:58:30,800
history it was a decent book until she

6421
03:58:36,229 --> 03:58:33,279
cracked the bed at the end it wasn't

6422
03:58:39,269 --> 03:58:36,239
good yeah one thing she did demonstrate

6423
03:58:41,429 --> 03:58:39,279
is that what is the one chapter the one

6424
03:58:44,150 --> 03:58:41,439
piece of information that the press

6425
03:58:45,030 --> 03:58:44,160
uh as far as yeah they seized on that

6426
03:58:47,269 --> 03:58:45,040
yeah

6427
03:58:49,910 --> 03:58:47,279
was roswell so this was post-project

6428
03:58:52,229 --> 03:58:49,920
mobile this was beyond any other

6429
03:58:53,830 --> 03:58:52,239
alternative explanation it was another

6430
03:58:55,750 --> 03:58:53,840
theory of the month as we would call

6431
03:58:59,429 --> 03:58:55,760
them the flavor of the day that type of

6432
03:59:03,030 --> 03:58:59,439
thing and it was again what the press

6433
03:59:05,510 --> 03:59:03,040
you know uh as far as focused on so um

6434
03:59:07,670 --> 03:59:05,520
thank you annie for that much yeah and i

6435
03:59:09,269 --> 03:59:07,680
guess for listen next it's important to

6436
03:59:10,710 --> 03:59:09,279
me that i get something

6437
03:59:14,150 --> 03:59:10,720
it's kind of the elephant in the room

6438
03:59:15,670 --> 03:59:14,160
for me out of the way and that is uh

6439
03:59:18,710 --> 03:59:15,680
you know

6440
03:59:19,510 --> 03:59:18,720
people are very critical of some people

6441
03:59:21,429 --> 03:59:19,520
who

6442
03:59:23,910 --> 03:59:21,439
may have believed the witness at one

6443
03:59:26,229 --> 03:59:23,920
point and later said that witness is not

6444
03:59:27,990 --> 03:59:26,239
credible and it has gone to extreme

6445
03:59:30,870 --> 03:59:28,000
lengths to the point where another show

6446
03:59:32,950 --> 03:59:30,880
host like wound up one of his friendly

6447
03:59:35,670 --> 03:59:32,960
uh listener i don't know and there was

6448
03:59:37,830 --> 03:59:35,680
this big twitter thing earlier that you

6449
03:59:40,630 --> 03:59:37,840
and kevin randle and everybody on my

6450
03:59:42,630 --> 03:59:40,640
series are or got paid government

6451
03:59:44,309 --> 03:59:42,640
disinformation agents i don't believe

6452
03:59:45,110 --> 03:59:44,319
that i'm just telling you what people

6453
03:59:48,550 --> 03:59:45,120
said

6454
03:59:52,309 --> 03:59:48,560
and this was revolving around of course

6455
03:59:54,309 --> 03:59:52,319
your one-time association with uh what

6456
03:59:57,429 --> 03:59:54,319
wait what's the witness here hold on one

6457
03:59:59,269 --> 03:59:57,439
second right kaufman frank kaufman yes i

6458
04:00:01,429 --> 03:59:59,279
even got an article here called every

6459
04:00:03,429 --> 04:00:01,439
circus needs a clown which is written by

6460
04:00:05,750 --> 04:00:03,439
timothy printi we're not going to go

6461
04:00:08,150 --> 04:00:05,760
into that but well let me see

6462
04:00:10,309 --> 04:00:08,160
i i said to that person like kevin

6463
04:00:12,150 --> 04:00:10,319
randle came on the series and talked

6464
04:00:14,150 --> 04:00:12,160
about what happened there

6465
04:00:16,469 --> 04:00:14,160
he's already explained it but if you

6466
04:00:18,550 --> 04:00:16,479
would like to because this person listen

6467
04:00:21,110 --> 04:00:18,560
i don't like when people come on twitter

6468
04:00:24,229 --> 04:00:21,120
and crap all over my guests that's

6469
04:00:27,510 --> 04:00:24,239
slander to me i said show me a pay stub

6470
04:00:29,990 --> 04:00:27,520
that that randall or don schmidt or cia

6471
04:00:32,710 --> 04:00:30,000
disinformation agents it's crazy i'm

6472
04:00:34,550 --> 04:00:32,720
still waiting for the check yeah me too

6473
04:00:36,630 --> 04:00:34,560
i'm apparently the mastermind behind

6474
04:00:38,710 --> 04:00:36,640
this whole thing mr schmidt so do you

6475
04:00:40,309 --> 04:00:38,720
want to talk about this guy just so that

6476
04:00:42,070 --> 04:00:40,319
we could clear the air about what

6477
04:00:44,309 --> 04:00:42,080
happened with him and his inclusion and

6478
04:00:45,429 --> 04:00:44,319
some of your material and you're later

6479
04:00:48,309 --> 04:00:45,439
and to me

6480
04:00:50,790 --> 04:00:48,319
it takes a man to say i made a mistake

6481
04:00:52,870 --> 04:00:50,800
we were misled here's what happened and

6482
04:00:54,870 --> 04:00:52,880
we disavailed that that person's

6483
04:00:57,189 --> 04:00:54,880
testimony now i think that that shows

6484
04:00:58,550 --> 04:00:57,199
you're human and that you're willing to

6485
04:01:00,070 --> 04:00:58,560
accept that you made a mistake because

6486
04:01:01,429 --> 04:01:00,080
some guys would just double down and

6487
04:01:04,229 --> 04:01:01,439
they wouldn't admit

6488
04:01:06,710 --> 04:01:04,239
that that was a problematic witness like

6489
04:01:08,469 --> 04:01:06,720
the skeptics who uh it will never matter

6490
04:01:10,630 --> 04:01:08,479
what the proof no matter

6491
04:01:13,189 --> 04:01:10,640
what uh the evidence

6492
04:01:14,790 --> 04:01:13,199
they will not they will never accept it

6493
04:01:16,710 --> 04:01:14,800
because again they are the ones

6494
04:01:20,389 --> 04:01:16,720
demonstrating their preconceived

6495
04:01:22,790 --> 04:01:20,399
position that anything but e.t

6496
04:01:26,229 --> 04:01:22,800
but they will never accept

6497
04:01:28,630 --> 04:01:26,239
that roswell or any other case

6498
04:01:30,630 --> 04:01:28,640
would demonstrate that not only we are

6499
04:01:33,830 --> 04:01:30,640
not alone but that we are being visited

6500
04:01:36,229 --> 04:01:33,840
they will draw the line there so who are

6501
04:01:37,510 --> 04:01:36,239
the most close-minded who are the least

6502
04:01:38,630 --> 04:01:37,520
objective

6503
04:01:40,630 --> 04:01:38,640
and

6504
04:01:43,429 --> 04:01:40,640
who are the ones that i mean i've never

6505
04:01:45,429 --> 04:01:43,439
crossed paths with tim prenty

6506
04:01:47,189 --> 04:01:45,439
i've never met him down in new mexico my

6507
04:01:48,710 --> 04:01:47,199
god i've been to new mexico almost 200

6508
04:01:50,550 --> 04:01:48,720
times

6509
04:01:51,910 --> 04:01:50,560
we've talked to most of our witnesses

6510
04:01:53,910 --> 04:01:51,920
face to face

6511
04:01:55,670 --> 04:01:53,920
and we're talking about over 600 that

6512
04:01:57,750 --> 04:01:55,680
we've interviewed

6513
04:02:00,389 --> 04:01:57,760
either directly or indirectly involved

6514
04:02:02,790 --> 04:02:00,399
over the last 32 years

6515
04:02:05,830 --> 04:02:02,800
they're just about all gone now but

6516
04:02:07,429 --> 04:02:05,840
we're the ones who made all that effort

6517
04:02:10,790 --> 04:02:07,439
we're the ones that have had the five

6518
04:02:14,070 --> 04:02:10,800
archaeological digs at the crash site

6519
04:02:16,469 --> 04:02:14,080
to find whatever we find if we just i

6520
04:02:18,790 --> 04:02:16,479
just want to say to your credit and tom

6521
04:02:21,110 --> 04:02:18,800
carries and kevin randles and a few

6522
04:02:22,389 --> 04:02:21,120
others if you guys didn't go down there

6523
04:02:23,830 --> 04:02:22,399
and chase

6524
04:02:26,389 --> 04:02:23,840
you literally i've heard you describe it

6525
04:02:28,950 --> 04:02:26,399
as chasing the undertaker there's a time

6526
04:02:30,630 --> 04:02:28,960
limit here friends these people are old

6527
04:02:32,389 --> 04:02:30,640
most of them are dead now but at the

6528
04:02:33,750 --> 04:02:32,399
time when you started in the 80s they

6529
04:02:35,990 --> 04:02:33,760
were just a lot of the first time

6530
04:02:38,229 --> 04:02:36,000
witnesses were still alive so you and

6531
04:02:40,469 --> 04:02:38,239
and tom carrey and kevin randle you go

6532
04:02:41,910 --> 04:02:40,479
racing down there to try to get on

6533
04:02:43,910 --> 04:02:41,920
record testimony from all these

6534
04:02:45,990 --> 04:02:43,920
witnesses before they die and if you

6535
04:02:48,950 --> 04:02:46,000
guys hadn't done that we wouldn't know

6536
04:02:51,269 --> 04:02:48,960
half of what we know about this event

6537
04:02:54,550 --> 04:02:51,279
and i don't think anybody could ever you

6538
04:02:56,710 --> 04:02:54,560
know prove that as as a father statement

6539
04:02:59,349 --> 04:02:56,720
because we were the only ones doing it

6540
04:03:01,670 --> 04:02:59,359
when i first approached stanton friedman

6541
04:03:03,269 --> 04:03:01,680
it was a dear friend

6542
04:03:06,469 --> 04:03:03,279
and

6543
04:03:09,189 --> 04:03:06,479
we often feuded we were often at odds

6544
04:03:12,150 --> 04:03:09,199
with one another but it wasn't personal

6545
04:03:15,030 --> 04:03:12,160
as much as it was just disagreeing on

6546
04:03:18,550 --> 04:03:15,040
policy disagreeing as far as uh

6547
04:03:20,790 --> 04:03:18,560
investigative notes that type of thing

6548
04:03:23,590 --> 04:03:20,800
stan was not an investigator he was not

6549
04:03:24,550 --> 04:03:23,600
a researcher he was an archivist

6550
04:03:27,590 --> 04:03:24,560
sure

6551
04:03:28,950 --> 04:03:27,600
he would fall short like stan you had a

6552
04:03:30,469 --> 04:03:28,960
particular witness why didn't you tell

6553
04:03:32,150 --> 04:03:30,479
me about that i would have talked to

6554
04:03:34,309 --> 04:03:32,160
them i would have gone and actually

6555
04:03:36,550 --> 04:03:34,319
interviewed them well i didn't think it

6556
04:03:38,469 --> 04:03:36,560
was that important well it's all

6557
04:03:40,950 --> 04:03:38,479
important because

6558
04:03:43,910 --> 04:03:40,960
if we can document their presence back

6559
04:03:45,910 --> 04:03:43,920
in 47 if there's any chance that they

6560
04:03:48,790 --> 04:03:45,920
may have been involved or they could

6561
04:03:51,269 --> 04:03:48,800
lead us to somebody else we can't just

6562
04:03:52,630 --> 04:03:51,279
well now they're gone and we missed an

6563
04:03:54,630 --> 04:03:52,640
opportunity

6564
04:03:56,630 --> 04:03:54,640
and i can't tell you stephen how often

6565
04:03:59,429 --> 04:03:56,640
we would find somebody and oh they just

6566
04:04:01,590 --> 04:03:59,439
started a year ago we had one particular

6567
04:04:04,790 --> 04:04:01,600
situation where we called and we're

6568
04:04:07,510 --> 04:04:04,800
speaking to the wife and she's

6569
04:04:08,870 --> 04:04:07,520
asking if we could call back

6570
04:04:11,030 --> 04:04:08,880
because she's

6571
04:04:13,349 --> 04:04:11,040
just returning from the funeral

6572
04:04:15,110 --> 04:04:13,359
yeah that's terrible and there's no

6573
04:04:16,150 --> 04:04:15,120
nothing more frustrating

6574
04:04:17,910 --> 04:04:16,160
and

6575
04:04:19,189 --> 04:04:17,920
this the skeptics have never been in

6576
04:04:22,710 --> 04:04:19,199
that boat

6577
04:04:24,630 --> 04:04:22,720
they have no idea what it's like to have

6578
04:04:26,790 --> 04:04:24,640
doors slam in your faces they have

6579
04:04:28,790 --> 04:04:26,800
phones slammed in your ear

6580
04:04:31,429 --> 04:04:28,800
and the thought that you're spending all

6581
04:04:34,630 --> 04:04:31,439
this time and effort when there was no

6582
04:04:37,349 --> 04:04:34,640
internet 32 years ago there was no

6583
04:04:39,670 --> 04:04:37,359
rolodex as far as a as far as your

6584
04:04:41,910 --> 04:04:39,680
cd-rom that you type in somebody's name

6585
04:04:45,349 --> 04:04:41,920
and it would give you the address we had

6586
04:04:48,150 --> 04:04:45,359
to physically track these people down

6587
04:04:50,150 --> 04:04:48,160
we had to actually you know as far as we

6588
04:04:51,750 --> 04:04:50,160
did credit checks we went through motor

6589
04:04:54,150 --> 04:04:51,760
vehicle we went through air

6590
04:04:56,150 --> 04:04:54,160
certification or hoping that many of

6591
04:04:59,189 --> 04:04:56,160
them who were pilots in the service

6592
04:05:01,429 --> 04:04:59,199
would have continued licensing as far as

6593
04:05:02,389 --> 04:05:01,439
private pilots that type of thing we

6594
04:05:05,189 --> 04:05:02,399
would

6595
04:05:05,910 --> 04:05:05,199
compile reunion lists

6596
04:05:08,550 --> 04:05:05,920
we

6597
04:05:11,990 --> 04:05:08,560
used government computers at times and

6598
04:05:13,750 --> 04:05:12,000
we used a hacker with the va

6599
04:05:16,389 --> 04:05:13,760
who

6600
04:05:18,150 --> 04:05:16,399
provided us with a lot of names

6601
04:05:20,150 --> 04:05:18,160
and addresses

6602
04:05:22,550 --> 04:05:20,160
but we still did it

6603
04:05:23,910 --> 04:05:22,560
and sure we were skirting the rules at

6604
04:05:25,349 --> 04:05:23,920
times because to us it was more

6605
04:05:27,349 --> 04:05:25,359
important to find these people and to

6606
04:05:29,189 --> 04:05:27,359
provide them with an opportunity to

6607
04:05:30,550 --> 04:05:29,199
finally speak out while there was still

6608
04:05:32,469 --> 04:05:30,560
time

6609
04:05:35,110 --> 04:05:32,479
and because as you you mentioned stephen

6610
04:05:36,150 --> 04:05:35,120
we were racing with the undertaker

6611
04:05:38,389 --> 04:05:36,160
well

6612
04:05:39,510 --> 04:05:38,399
anytime you're in a race

6613
04:05:41,189 --> 04:05:39,520
there's a good chance you're going to

6614
04:05:44,229 --> 04:05:41,199
stumble and fall

6615
04:05:46,229 --> 04:05:44,239
because one thing to be on the sidelines

6616
04:05:47,670 --> 04:05:46,239
you know hey your stride isn't the way i

6617
04:05:49,910 --> 04:05:47,680
like it or you're going in the wrong

6618
04:05:51,670 --> 04:05:49,920
direction or you're going too fast or

6619
04:05:53,349 --> 04:05:51,680
you're going too slow well why don't you

6620
04:05:55,349 --> 04:05:53,359
come in the race why don't you get in

6621
04:05:56,870 --> 04:05:55,359
here and follow or see if you can even

6622
04:05:58,950 --> 04:05:56,880
catch up to me

6623
04:06:00,870 --> 04:05:58,960
and then let's see how you do

6624
04:06:03,590 --> 04:06:00,880
all this monday morning quarterbacking

6625
04:06:05,269 --> 04:06:03,600
as far as whether i i i hear you

6626
04:06:07,349 --> 04:06:05,279
yeah i hear you

6627
04:06:08,710 --> 04:06:07,359
and we have we have a real problem right

6628
04:06:10,150 --> 04:06:08,720
now with the younger generation of

6629
04:06:12,710 --> 04:06:10,160
people that call themselves researchers

6630
04:06:14,710 --> 04:06:12,720
but all they do is i call them right

6631
04:06:16,710 --> 04:06:14,720
click researchers if it's not on the

6632
04:06:18,150 --> 04:06:16,720
internet they can't i'm amazed at the

6633
04:06:19,910 --> 04:06:18,160
stuff i could find just by picking up

6634
04:06:21,990 --> 04:06:19,920
the phone and people i can talk to

6635
04:06:23,830 --> 04:06:22,000
nobody does that anymore

6636
04:06:25,429 --> 04:06:23,840
when you speak to

6637
04:06:28,710 --> 04:06:25,439
witnesses

6638
04:06:29,750 --> 04:06:28,720
who become emotional when you sit there

6639
04:06:31,269 --> 04:06:29,760
and

6640
04:06:33,349 --> 04:06:31,279
there was a particular witness that we

6641
04:06:36,469 --> 04:06:33,359
had worked on for over a year and i say

6642
04:06:39,349 --> 04:06:36,479
worked on between his wife

6643
04:06:41,429 --> 04:06:39,359
and tom carrying myself just trying to

6644
04:06:44,389 --> 04:06:41,439
get him to open up

6645
04:06:45,269 --> 04:06:44,399
and mind you this is a witness

6646
04:06:46,950 --> 04:06:45,279
who

6647
04:06:49,110 --> 04:06:46,960
we can document

6648
04:06:52,550 --> 04:06:49,120
his pictures in the roswell army

6649
04:06:54,070 --> 04:06:52,560
yearbook 1947. so what's what's what the

6650
04:06:56,229 --> 04:06:54,080
skeptic's gonna say well that doesn't

6651
04:06:58,550 --> 04:06:56,239
prove they were there well see again

6652
04:07:01,189 --> 04:06:58,560
what are your standards they're at the

6653
04:07:03,349 --> 04:07:01,199
base and still well you gotta pull them

6654
04:07:06,309 --> 04:07:03,359
out of the scenario because they can't

6655
04:07:09,189 --> 04:07:06,319
be there because maybe they're legit

6656
04:07:11,030 --> 04:07:09,199
so they're there we can document that

6657
04:07:13,269 --> 04:07:11,040
and the wife describes to us that we

6658
04:07:16,070 --> 04:07:13,279
have not slept in the same bedroom or 40

6659
04:07:17,830 --> 04:07:16,080
years because of his nightmares because

6660
04:07:19,510 --> 04:07:17,840
he'll jolt up in the middle of night

6661
04:07:21,510 --> 04:07:19,520
over and over again and he screams out

6662
04:07:23,990 --> 04:07:21,520
he yells out because he can't get the

6663
04:07:26,389 --> 04:07:24,000
face out of his mind he can't get what

6664
04:07:29,429 --> 04:07:26,399
he saw back at that hangar and roswell

6665
04:07:30,950 --> 04:07:29,439
back in 47 out of his memory

6666
04:07:32,950 --> 04:07:30,960
and then when he finally opens up and

6667
04:07:35,349 --> 04:07:32,960
talks to us and he sob is like a little

6668
04:07:37,269 --> 04:07:35,359
boy he quite i mean the tears just

6669
04:07:37,990 --> 04:07:37,279
stream down his face

6670
04:07:39,910 --> 04:07:38,000
and

6671
04:07:41,510 --> 04:07:39,920
these people who have never interviewed

6672
04:07:45,189 --> 04:07:41,520
a witness in their lives would just sit

6673
04:07:47,349 --> 04:07:45,199
back and go well he's a liar he's a liar

6674
04:07:50,309 --> 04:07:47,359
yeah i i have to be honest with you that

6675
04:07:52,389 --> 04:07:50,319
we we've had mr korfun and uh i just

6676
04:07:55,750 --> 04:07:52,399
think he's too dismissive of all these

6677
04:07:57,429 --> 04:07:55,760
witness testimonies having uh you know

6678
04:07:59,349 --> 04:07:57,439
and and it seems to me that this whole

6679
04:08:00,790 --> 04:07:59,359
series has been sort of a ping pong back

6680
04:08:02,950 --> 04:08:00,800
and forth it's like

6681
04:08:04,870 --> 04:08:02,960
one researcher like mr randall or you or

6682
04:08:06,870 --> 04:08:04,880
mr carrie will say i talked to this

6683
04:08:09,030 --> 04:08:06,880
witness who said this and then he says

6684
04:08:10,870 --> 04:08:09,040
no they didn't say that i have a quote

6685
04:08:11,910 --> 04:08:10,880
that they didn't say that but you guys

6686
04:08:14,469 --> 04:08:11,920
have

6687
04:08:16,550 --> 04:08:14,479
you know recorded interviews and and

6688
04:08:18,550 --> 04:08:16,560
things so there's a back and forth how

6689
04:08:21,269 --> 04:08:18,560
did they get the quote from

6690
04:08:23,030 --> 04:08:21,279
took it off the internet and i'll

6691
04:08:25,030 --> 04:08:23,040
guarantee you it's bro i i haven't

6692
04:08:27,269 --> 04:08:25,040
announced this yet but what i'm going to

6693
04:08:30,070 --> 04:08:27,279
do mr schmidt after this series is over

6694
04:08:32,229 --> 04:08:30,080
is i'm going to go through your books mr

6695
04:08:34,950 --> 04:08:32,239
randall's books and and and your books

6696
04:08:36,229 --> 04:08:34,960
with tom carrey and cal course books and

6697
04:08:38,309 --> 04:08:36,239
for each

6698
04:08:40,550 --> 04:08:38,319
person i'm going to create a a

6699
04:08:42,070 --> 04:08:40,560
spreadsheet and we're going to try to

6700
04:08:44,229 --> 04:08:42,080
get to the bottom of each of the

6701
04:08:46,550 --> 04:08:44,239
witnesses so it'll be a little harder

6702
04:08:48,710 --> 04:08:46,560
for him to just be dismissive and say

6703
04:08:50,870 --> 04:08:48,720
they didn't say that they said this you

6704
04:08:53,110 --> 04:08:50,880
know or or

6705
04:08:54,389 --> 04:08:53,120
to be so dismissive one of the one of

6706
04:08:56,309 --> 04:08:54,399
your books that i really found

6707
04:08:57,990 --> 04:08:56,319
fascinating was children of roswell

6708
04:08:59,750 --> 04:08:58,000
because i have a hard time believing

6709
04:09:01,349 --> 04:08:59,760
that towards the end of their lives a

6710
04:09:03,830 --> 04:09:01,359
bunch of people just started making up

6711
04:09:05,429 --> 04:09:03,840
stories about aliens or seeing aliens

6712
04:09:09,590 --> 04:09:05,439
out in the desert and told their kids

6713
04:09:10,550 --> 04:09:09,600
this there is not a skeptic alive that

6714
04:09:12,070 --> 04:09:10,560
can

6715
04:09:15,110 --> 04:09:12,080
rule out

6716
04:09:16,790 --> 04:09:15,120
all of the roswell deathbed testimonies

6717
04:09:18,149 --> 04:09:16,800
each and every one that are admissible

6718
04:09:20,790 --> 04:09:18,159
in a court of law

6719
04:09:23,910 --> 04:09:20,800
and say that it only applies to

6720
04:09:27,830 --> 04:09:23,920
witnesses who are describing

6721
04:09:31,189 --> 04:09:27,840
details about roswell but yet then every

6722
04:09:32,950 --> 04:09:31,199
other deathbed testimony is acceptable

6723
04:09:34,870 --> 04:09:32,960
we can't have cultures

6724
04:09:36,149 --> 04:09:34,880
can't have it both ways but they want it

6725
04:09:38,389 --> 04:09:36,159
both ways

6726
04:09:40,790 --> 04:09:38,399
i mean you people would fail miserably

6727
04:09:42,790 --> 04:09:40,800
in courts of law because you would say

6728
04:09:45,510 --> 04:09:42,800
well i want to throw his with his

6729
04:09:46,870 --> 04:09:45,520
testimony out because i don't like it

6730
04:09:49,269 --> 04:09:46,880
but sorry

6731
04:09:51,189 --> 04:09:49,279
then we got to throw out yours

6732
04:09:53,349 --> 04:09:51,199
we got to throw out your witnesses do

6733
04:09:54,710 --> 04:09:53,359
you have any witnesses and they would go

6734
04:09:58,870 --> 04:09:54,720
well no

6735
04:10:00,870 --> 04:09:58,880
you weren't there in 1947 what did you

6736
04:10:03,110 --> 04:10:00,880
talk to any of the witnesses well no but

6737
04:10:05,189 --> 04:10:03,120
my word is good enough well

6738
04:10:07,269 --> 04:10:05,199
were you ever in new mexico well no but

6739
04:10:08,710 --> 04:10:07,279
you have to take my word for it

6740
04:10:11,349 --> 04:10:08,720
yeah and the other thing i guess i would

6741
04:10:14,550 --> 04:10:11,359
say is that i would think that you guys

6742
04:10:16,469 --> 04:10:14,560
you mr randall and mr carrie having

6743
04:10:19,189 --> 04:10:16,479
interviewed so many witnesses have

6744
04:10:21,030 --> 04:10:19,199
gotten sort of a uh

6745
04:10:23,349 --> 04:10:21,040
a sense of whether people are being

6746
04:10:25,670 --> 04:10:23,359
honest with you or not and just quickly

6747
04:10:26,469 --> 04:10:25,680
back to this frank kaufman yes i wanted

6748
04:10:29,189 --> 04:10:26,479
to

6749
04:10:30,710 --> 04:10:29,199
yeah so he he sort of came out with

6750
04:10:32,469 --> 04:10:30,720
basically telling

6751
04:10:35,349 --> 04:10:32,479
you and every other person interested in

6752
04:10:37,349 --> 04:10:35,359
roswell exactly a great story that you

6753
04:10:39,030 --> 04:10:37,359
would want to hear but later it turns

6754
04:10:41,429 --> 04:10:39,040
out that he's not so credible can you

6755
04:10:43,269 --> 04:10:41,439
talk a little bit about that

6756
04:10:44,870 --> 04:10:43,279
when we first talked to frank kaufman in

6757
04:10:46,950 --> 04:10:44,880
1990

6758
04:10:48,630 --> 04:10:46,960
he presented himself as just a second

6759
04:10:50,710 --> 04:10:48,640
hand witness

6760
04:10:52,469 --> 04:10:50,720
that he was at the base and he is in the

6761
04:10:53,910 --> 04:10:52,479
base yearbook

6762
04:10:55,910 --> 04:10:53,920
uh i'm sure

6763
04:10:57,349 --> 04:10:55,920
he was there we can establish his bona

6764
04:10:58,550 --> 04:10:57,359
fides

6765
04:11:00,950 --> 04:10:58,560
and

6766
04:11:03,030 --> 04:11:00,960
he stayed in roswell

6767
04:11:05,590 --> 04:11:03,040
he would become the president of the

6768
04:11:06,950 --> 04:11:05,600
chamber of commerce in roswell for 30

6769
04:11:09,670 --> 04:11:06,960
years

6770
04:11:12,309 --> 04:11:09,680
and so he was a respected business

6771
04:11:15,990 --> 04:11:12,319
person as well

6772
04:11:19,189 --> 04:11:16,000
and so we are referred to him

6773
04:11:22,389 --> 04:11:19,199
and he's talking second hand

6774
04:11:24,070 --> 04:11:22,399
which evolves into

6775
04:11:26,309 --> 04:11:24,080
well i saw this

6776
04:11:28,950 --> 04:11:26,319
i was involved with this aspect of the

6777
04:11:30,870 --> 04:11:28,960
case eventually where he becomes part of

6778
04:11:31,750 --> 04:11:30,880
the recovery

6779
04:11:34,389 --> 04:11:31,760
team

6780
04:11:36,790 --> 04:11:34,399
one of the nine as he called it

6781
04:11:38,070 --> 04:11:36,800
and not only firsthand to the remains of

6782
04:11:40,790 --> 04:11:38,080
the craft

6783
04:11:42,469 --> 04:11:40,800
but also the bodies

6784
04:11:44,710 --> 04:11:42,479
and so

6785
04:11:45,990 --> 04:11:44,720
anytime you have a potential first-hand

6786
04:11:50,149 --> 04:11:46,000
witness

6787
04:11:50,950 --> 04:11:50,159
to what is the meat of the case

6788
04:11:58,790 --> 04:11:50,960
the

6789
04:12:01,110 --> 04:11:58,800
you work even more diligently in

6790
04:12:04,070 --> 04:12:01,120
establishing whether they're being

6791
04:12:06,630 --> 04:12:04,080
truthful or not

6792
04:12:09,349 --> 04:12:06,640
and as a result

6793
04:12:11,510 --> 04:12:09,359
when we did cbs 48 hours and i was with

6794
04:12:14,070 --> 04:12:11,520
phil jones

6795
04:12:16,710 --> 04:12:14,080
we allowed jones

6796
04:12:19,429 --> 04:12:16,720
to spend as much time with frank kaufman

6797
04:12:22,229 --> 04:12:19,439
as he could because we wanted a seasoned

6798
04:12:24,550 --> 04:12:22,239
newsman uh we know a senior reporter at

6799
04:12:27,189 --> 04:12:24,560
cbs working right directly under dan

6800
04:12:29,030 --> 04:12:27,199
rather at that time

6801
04:12:31,429 --> 04:12:29,040
to see what his impressions were see if

6802
04:12:34,389 --> 04:12:31,439
he could break him in any way

6803
04:12:36,229 --> 04:12:34,399
and then when we had the law firm in

6804
04:12:38,469 --> 04:12:36,239
washington

6805
04:12:39,990 --> 04:12:38,479
and two of their attorneys one was a

6806
04:12:42,070 --> 04:12:40,000
shapiro

6807
04:12:46,389 --> 04:12:42,080
um as i recall

6808
04:12:51,269 --> 04:12:49,189
related to the uh shapiro that

6809
04:12:52,950 --> 04:12:51,279
represented o.j simpson

6810
04:12:54,229 --> 04:12:52,960
for that matter yeah

6811
04:12:57,030 --> 04:12:54,239
well anyway

6812
04:13:00,870 --> 04:12:57,040
we allowed them to spend in private

6813
04:13:02,309 --> 04:13:00,880
quarters hours with frank kaufman

6814
04:13:04,389 --> 04:13:02,319
so we're getting it from a legal

6815
04:13:06,070 --> 04:13:04,399
standpoint we're getting it from a media

6816
04:13:07,429 --> 04:13:06,080
standpoint

6817
04:13:10,830 --> 04:13:07,439
and

6818
04:13:14,710 --> 04:13:10,840
with

6819
04:13:17,590 --> 04:13:14,720
kaufman and exchange notes

6820
04:13:19,269 --> 04:13:17,600
and then walk away and then see okay we

6821
04:13:21,189 --> 04:13:19,279
kevin and i would be on the receiving

6822
04:13:23,269 --> 04:13:21,199
end

6823
04:13:25,030 --> 04:13:23,279
and one after the other we were getting

6824
04:13:26,229 --> 04:13:25,040
these glowing reports

6825
04:13:27,670 --> 04:13:26,239
couldn't break them couldn't break

6826
04:13:30,149 --> 04:13:27,680
kaufman

6827
04:13:31,750 --> 04:13:30,159
phil jones one of the best witnesses

6828
04:13:34,070 --> 04:13:31,760
i've ever dealt with

6829
04:13:36,229 --> 04:13:34,080
you know he actually told us that

6830
04:13:37,590 --> 04:13:36,239
and like kevin and don you guys are

6831
04:13:39,670 --> 04:13:37,600
sitting on one of the biggest stories

6832
04:13:41,030 --> 04:13:39,680
here of all time

6833
04:13:43,750 --> 04:13:41,040
and the fact that even at the end of

6834
04:13:48,070 --> 04:13:43,760
that very segment on on cbs 48 hours dan

6835
04:13:50,309 --> 04:13:48,080
rather ends ends by stating quote truly

6836
04:13:53,189 --> 04:13:50,319
something extraordinary crashed outside

6837
04:13:55,030 --> 04:13:53,199
of roswell new mexico in july of 1947.

6838
04:13:57,830 --> 04:13:55,040
end quote yeah and this is dan rather

6839
04:14:01,030 --> 04:13:57,840
saying this this is a no slouch yeah

6840
04:14:03,189 --> 04:14:01,040
that's cbs news exactly

6841
04:14:04,070 --> 04:14:03,199
and so

6842
04:14:06,070 --> 04:14:04,080
yes

6843
04:14:08,950 --> 04:14:06,080
we spent a lot of time with frank

6844
04:14:10,309 --> 04:14:08,960
kaufman but the difference is we were

6845
04:14:12,149 --> 04:14:10,319
the ones

6846
04:14:14,229 --> 04:14:12,159
doing it

6847
04:14:16,469 --> 04:14:14,239
i don't recall again i don't remember

6848
04:14:18,229 --> 04:14:16,479
that any of the skeptics ever came

6849
04:14:20,469 --> 04:14:18,239
except the philip j class but then it

6850
04:14:23,030 --> 04:14:20,479
was interesting for us yeah

6851
04:14:25,110 --> 04:14:23,040
but as far as the others doing anything

6852
04:14:26,070 --> 04:14:25,120
that proved that kaufman was legit or

6853
04:14:27,590 --> 04:14:26,080
not

6854
04:14:29,510 --> 04:14:27,600
and did you have sort of a friendly

6855
04:14:31,189 --> 04:14:29,520
relationship with phil class you guys

6856
04:14:33,349 --> 04:14:31,199
like you kind of knew like he's the into

6857
04:14:35,510 --> 04:14:33,359
our yang we can't we can't

6858
04:14:37,750 --> 04:14:35,520
hate the guy for believing something

6859
04:14:40,070 --> 04:14:37,760
else you know we're trying to check our

6860
04:14:41,830 --> 04:14:40,080
work or our research right

6861
04:14:43,750 --> 04:14:41,840
no it wasn't

6862
04:14:45,189 --> 04:14:43,760
like contentious between you guys you

6863
04:14:46,389 --> 04:14:45,199
were on a lot of shows together and

6864
04:14:49,030 --> 04:14:46,399
different things

6865
04:14:52,149 --> 04:14:49,040
did we even debate it uh i was kevin and

6866
04:14:53,590 --> 04:14:52,159
i were invited to uh their cycop when it

6867
04:14:55,590 --> 04:14:53,600
was still psycho committee for the

6868
04:14:57,830 --> 04:14:55,600
scientific investigation of claims of

6869
04:15:01,030 --> 04:14:57,840
the paranormal their annual convention

6870
04:15:03,670 --> 04:15:01,040
at the harvey hotel in dallas

6871
04:15:07,110 --> 04:15:03,680
in i believe 1992

6872
04:15:09,189 --> 04:15:07,120
and and kevin uh backed out

6873
04:15:11,269 --> 04:15:09,199
the week before because he felt we were

6874
04:15:12,550 --> 04:15:11,279
going into a lion's den and they would

6875
04:15:13,830 --> 04:15:12,560
eat us up

6876
04:15:16,149 --> 04:15:13,840
and

6877
04:15:18,149 --> 04:15:16,159
i went alone

6878
04:15:19,590 --> 04:15:18,159
and it's good for you because you had to

6879
04:15:21,910 --> 04:15:19,600
know that was going to be contentious

6880
04:15:24,389 --> 04:15:21,920
right it was originally well you had the

6881
04:15:26,950 --> 04:15:24,399
entire audience as well as phil class

6882
04:15:28,870 --> 04:15:26,960
was the moderator and then the debate

6883
04:15:31,429 --> 04:15:28,880
was originally to have been robert young

6884
04:15:33,990 --> 04:15:31,439
who i knew personally for correspondence

6885
04:15:37,030 --> 04:15:34,000
and then at the time captain james

6886
04:15:40,389 --> 04:15:37,040
magaha of the air force

6887
04:15:41,830 --> 04:15:40,399
and so i knew it would quickly turn into

6888
04:15:44,149 --> 04:15:41,840
three against one

6889
04:15:47,189 --> 04:15:44,159
because the main debater of the

6890
04:15:48,070 --> 04:15:47,199
opposition then became phil

6891
04:15:50,630 --> 04:15:48,080
yeah

6892
04:15:53,750 --> 04:15:50,640
and i stood my ground and i had

6893
04:15:55,269 --> 04:15:53,760
reporters i had a reporter from uh um

6894
04:15:57,750 --> 04:15:55,279
associated press

6895
04:15:59,670 --> 04:15:57,760
that even felt that i had won the debate

6896
04:16:03,030 --> 04:15:59,680
because i stuck to the witnesses i stuck

6897
04:16:05,189 --> 04:16:03,040
to the issues i stuck to what i could uh

6898
04:16:07,030 --> 04:16:05,199
you know verify for again the people i

6899
04:16:09,750 --> 04:16:07,040
had actually talked to

6900
04:16:11,830 --> 04:16:09,760
and all they could do is well they

6901
04:16:14,389 --> 04:16:11,840
didn't really mean that or they were

6902
04:16:17,269 --> 04:16:14,399
fabricating you know that testimony and

6903
04:16:18,870 --> 04:16:17,279
i know kaufman came up and at the time

6904
04:16:20,870 --> 04:16:18,880
i didn't consider him i don't believe we

6905
04:16:22,630 --> 04:16:20,880
considered him a star witness

6906
04:16:25,429 --> 04:16:22,640
but nonetheless

6907
04:16:29,910 --> 04:16:27,349
kept investigating

6908
04:16:31,110 --> 04:16:29,920
his information

6909
04:16:32,870 --> 04:16:31,120
and so

6910
04:16:34,309 --> 04:16:32,880
we were the ones that after he passed

6911
04:16:36,309 --> 04:16:34,319
away

6912
04:16:38,309 --> 04:16:36,319
now mind you stephen

6913
04:16:40,710 --> 04:16:38,319
after he had been diagnosed with

6914
04:16:43,750 --> 04:16:40,720
terminal cancer

6915
04:16:45,030 --> 04:16:43,760
i went at my own personal expense now

6916
04:16:46,790 --> 04:16:45,040
here's the other point

6917
04:16:48,710 --> 04:16:46,800
kevin lives in iowa

6918
04:16:50,950 --> 04:16:48,720
i live in wisconsin

6919
04:16:52,149 --> 04:16:50,960
kevin and i are in driving distance to

6920
04:16:53,750 --> 04:16:52,159
one another

6921
04:16:56,469 --> 04:16:53,760
but new mexico

6922
04:16:59,030 --> 04:16:56,479
is a cheap flight yeah no and it's still

6923
04:17:00,149 --> 04:16:59,040
a 24-hour drive

6924
04:17:02,870 --> 04:17:00,159
so

6925
04:17:04,389 --> 04:17:02,880
we're covering our phone expenses which

6926
04:17:05,830 --> 04:17:04,399
at the time

6927
04:17:09,189 --> 04:17:05,840
you know you were getting charged long

6928
04:17:11,990 --> 04:17:09,199
distance by the minute

6929
04:17:14,309 --> 04:17:12,000
i i remember because i i used to i used

6930
04:17:16,550 --> 04:17:14,319
to be calling bbs's in other countries

6931
04:17:20,630 --> 04:17:16,560
and then my father got the phone bill

6932
04:17:25,670 --> 04:17:23,030
i don't i i was there

6933
04:17:28,149 --> 04:17:25,680
and our phone bills were averaging

6934
04:17:29,429 --> 04:17:28,159
a thousand dollars a month between the

6935
04:17:31,349 --> 04:17:29,439
two of us

6936
04:17:34,309 --> 04:17:31,359
wow and then we were making all these

6937
04:17:37,830 --> 04:17:34,319
trips we were going to new mexico five

6938
04:17:41,189 --> 04:17:37,840
six times a year we were going to uh

6939
04:17:43,670 --> 04:17:41,199
state of washington and oregon and and

6940
04:17:45,990 --> 04:17:43,680
montana and minnesota and out to

6941
04:17:48,550 --> 04:17:46,000
washington and down to florida and down

6942
04:17:49,830 --> 04:17:48,560
to kentucky into new york and michigan

6943
04:17:52,149 --> 04:17:49,840
minnesota

6944
04:17:55,030 --> 04:17:52,159
texas we were going repeatedly wherever

6945
04:17:57,429 --> 04:17:55,040
there were witnesses we were going and

6946
04:17:59,429 --> 04:17:57,439
interviewing them personally because we

6947
04:18:00,550 --> 04:17:59,439
felt it was that important

6948
04:18:03,590 --> 04:18:00,560
and so

6949
04:18:05,590 --> 04:18:03,600
yeah you can wave kaufman at us like

6950
04:18:08,389 --> 04:18:05,600
it's some mortal sin that uh

6951
04:18:11,189 --> 04:18:08,399
disqualifies our entire investigation

6952
04:18:12,710 --> 04:18:11,199
but we were interviewing hundreds

6953
04:18:14,469 --> 04:18:12,720
yeah and i can consider it like they're

6954
04:18:16,309 --> 04:18:14,479
throwing out the baby with the bath

6955
04:18:18,870 --> 04:18:16,319
water you know okay you've got one

6956
04:18:21,189 --> 04:18:18,880
witness that fabricated that you can you

6957
04:18:22,469 --> 04:18:21,199
can show yeah this guy fabricated his

6958
04:18:25,429 --> 04:18:22,479
involvement

6959
04:18:27,910 --> 04:18:25,439
but that doesn't negate the other 500 or

6960
04:18:31,670 --> 04:18:27,920
600 witnesses that you talk to of course

6961
04:18:35,510 --> 04:18:31,680
not and and and the main point being

6962
04:18:37,030 --> 04:18:35,520
who are the ones that proved kaufman

6963
04:18:38,149 --> 04:18:37,040
yeah actually it was you guys that

6964
04:18:39,750 --> 04:18:38,159
pretty much proved that he was

6965
04:18:41,030 --> 04:18:39,760
fabricating and then and then sort of

6966
04:18:43,990 --> 04:18:41,040
back away from

6967
04:18:45,830 --> 04:18:44,000
we were the ones who at his home after

6968
04:18:48,309 --> 04:18:45,840
he passed away

6969
04:18:50,550 --> 04:18:48,319
you know in his office and i'm pulling

6970
04:18:53,030 --> 04:18:50,560
out the desk drawers and i'm reaching

6971
04:18:55,670 --> 04:18:53,040
under and seeing if there's any and i

6972
04:18:58,309 --> 04:18:55,680
find the satchel of all the original

6973
04:19:02,630 --> 04:18:58,319
documents and we found the old circa

6974
04:19:04,790 --> 04:19:02,640
1947 typewriter and we found all the as

6975
04:19:07,590 --> 04:19:04,800
far as the the uh

6976
04:19:09,750 --> 04:19:07,600
collection of uh the old onion skin

6977
04:19:11,910 --> 04:19:09,760
paper the parchment paper that he was

6978
04:19:14,229 --> 04:19:11,920
using to create what looked what

6979
04:19:15,990 --> 04:19:14,239
appeared to be a legitimate documents

6980
04:19:18,550 --> 04:19:16,000
that type of thing he was forging

6981
04:19:20,469 --> 04:19:18,560
signatures he he had a copy machine he

6982
04:19:24,070 --> 04:19:20,479
was doing cut and paste stuff the point

6983
04:19:26,630 --> 04:19:24,080
being we did that so we're policing

6984
04:19:28,630 --> 04:19:26,640
ourselves i don't need anybody again

6985
04:19:30,790 --> 04:19:28,640
from their computer sitting there and

6986
04:19:32,550 --> 04:19:30,800
saying well we should have could have

6987
04:19:34,790 --> 04:19:32,560
would have i mean it

6988
04:19:36,469 --> 04:19:34,800
um yeah yeah well i think you've

6989
04:19:38,070 --> 04:19:36,479
explained it adequately and like i said

6990
04:19:40,229 --> 04:19:38,080
i for one like

6991
04:19:41,429 --> 04:19:40,239
i said you know

6992
04:19:43,670 --> 04:19:41,439
you shouldn't have a problem with

6993
04:19:45,590 --> 04:19:43,680
researchers who make mistakes and then

6994
04:19:47,269 --> 04:19:45,600
try to correct them the bigger problem

6995
04:19:49,349 --> 04:19:47,279
is the people that double down when they

6996
04:19:51,830 --> 04:19:49,359
know that you know i can't tell you how

6997
04:19:54,149 --> 04:19:51,840
many people that i've talked to

6998
04:19:55,990 --> 04:19:54,159
you know like just a quick example in

6999
04:19:58,070 --> 04:19:56,000
particular like somebody was using a

7000
04:20:00,469 --> 04:19:58,080
convicted child molester as proof of an

7001
04:20:02,149 --> 04:20:00,479
alien story and i said i'm sorry but i

7002
04:20:04,550 --> 04:20:02,159
don't think that a child molesters

7003
04:20:07,269 --> 04:20:04,560
credible witness and should be believed

7004
04:20:09,349 --> 04:20:07,279
and they went along with you know

7005
04:20:10,070 --> 04:20:09,359
still using him as a source

7006
04:20:14,790 --> 04:20:10,080
so

7007
04:20:18,710 --> 04:20:16,790
and i'm not going to reveal any names

7008
04:20:21,030 --> 04:20:18,720
i'm not going to even hint but

7009
04:20:24,630 --> 04:20:21,040
nonetheless it was one of the skeptics

7010
04:20:27,670 --> 04:20:24,640
years ago in an effort to discredit

7011
04:20:31,590 --> 04:20:27,680
one of the lady witnesses

7012
04:20:33,830 --> 04:20:31,600
she started to receive pornography

7013
04:20:35,670 --> 04:20:33,840
unsolicited

7014
04:20:37,910 --> 04:20:35,680
from this individual

7015
04:20:40,389 --> 04:20:37,920
with the hope that she would either

7016
04:20:43,990 --> 04:20:40,399
accept or invite and then he would turn

7017
04:20:45,910 --> 04:20:44,000
it around and accuse her okay

7018
04:20:47,349 --> 04:20:45,920
yeah i don't want to i don't want to go

7019
04:20:50,389 --> 04:20:47,359
any further but again those are the

7020
04:20:51,830 --> 04:20:50,399
tactics that i've witnessed

7021
04:20:54,710 --> 04:20:51,840
uh

7022
04:20:57,349 --> 04:20:54,720
bill brazzo jr receiving a phone call on

7023
04:20:59,830 --> 04:20:57,359
christmas eve in the presence of his

7024
04:21:01,750 --> 04:20:59,840
gathered family you know celebrating

7025
04:21:04,149 --> 04:21:01,760
christmas and one of the skeptics

7026
04:21:06,070 --> 04:21:04,159
calling up at eight o'clock that evening

7027
04:21:08,630 --> 04:21:06,080
calling him a liar and challenging him

7028
04:21:11,030 --> 04:21:08,640
to come you know and do some debate with

7029
04:21:12,790 --> 04:21:11,040
him someplace and you're a liar if you

7030
04:21:14,469 --> 04:21:12,800
don't accept this challenge you know

7031
04:21:15,510 --> 04:21:14,479
you're a liar and

7032
04:21:17,269 --> 04:21:15,520
well

7033
04:21:18,710 --> 04:21:17,279
okay

7034
04:21:20,550 --> 04:21:18,720
yeah because yeah

7035
04:21:22,469 --> 04:21:20,560
it's people pretty passionate about this

7036
04:21:24,550 --> 04:21:22,479
one way or the other

7037
04:21:27,750 --> 04:21:24,560
it's the the tactics that they often

7038
04:21:31,110 --> 04:21:27,760
have relied on and if if you or i would

7039
04:21:32,710 --> 04:21:31,120
ever resort to such uh

7040
04:21:34,950 --> 04:21:32,720
you know

7041
04:21:36,630 --> 04:21:34,960
an effort tactics

7042
04:21:38,870 --> 04:21:36,640
tactics as far as to discredit the

7043
04:21:40,309 --> 04:21:38,880
witness i guess it says more about us

7044
04:21:41,670 --> 04:21:40,319
well i wanted to go down some of the

7045
04:21:44,790 --> 04:21:41,680
things that i talked about with our

7046
04:21:46,710 --> 04:21:44,800
other guests and experts here

7047
04:21:49,110 --> 04:21:46,720
specifically i wanted to ask you about

7048
04:21:50,790 --> 04:21:49,120
the debris and the debris switch and the

7049
04:21:52,790 --> 04:21:50,800
famous photos

7050
04:21:55,189 --> 04:21:52,800
because i believe from your books and

7051
04:21:57,830 --> 04:21:55,199
kevin randall's books

7052
04:21:59,910 --> 04:21:57,840
and uh stan friedman that

7053
04:22:02,149 --> 04:21:59,920
there's a claim that that this debris in

7054
04:22:04,229 --> 04:22:02,159
the famous photos is not

7055
04:22:06,550 --> 04:22:04,239
what the actual wreckage was that there

7056
04:22:09,110 --> 04:22:06,560
was a cover-up they brought in this

7057
04:22:11,830 --> 04:22:09,120
uh weather balloon debris to show the

7058
04:22:14,710 --> 04:22:11,840
press and we have both marcel and later

7059
04:22:16,630 --> 04:22:14,720
uh dubose right who claimed that there

7060
04:22:18,710 --> 04:22:16,640
was actually a debris switch and that

7061
04:22:21,110 --> 04:22:18,720
wasn't the actual roswell debris that

7062
04:22:22,229 --> 04:22:21,120
was shown in these famous photos

7063
04:22:24,149 --> 04:22:22,239
and

7064
04:22:25,910 --> 04:22:24,159
again we've had this ping pong thing

7065
04:22:27,910 --> 04:22:25,920
going back and forth with our different

7066
04:22:29,830 --> 04:22:27,920
experts what's your take on the debris

7067
04:22:32,149 --> 04:22:29,840
that's shown in these famous photos and

7068
04:22:34,149 --> 04:22:32,159
it claims of a debris switch by both

7069
04:22:36,389 --> 04:22:34,159
marcel and dubose

7070
04:22:39,590 --> 04:22:36,399
well again we were the ones

7071
04:22:42,070 --> 04:22:39,600
raymie had long passed away there you're

7072
04:22:43,590 --> 04:22:42,080
you're you're you're picturing general

7073
04:22:45,910 --> 04:22:43,600
brigadier general roger raymond who was

7074
04:22:48,389 --> 04:22:45,920
head of the eighth air force he was the

7075
04:22:49,750 --> 04:22:48,399
very boss of the base commander at

7076
04:22:50,950 --> 04:22:49,760
roswell at that time colonel william

7077
04:22:55,670 --> 04:22:50,960
blanchard

7078
04:22:59,670 --> 04:22:58,070
the skeptics paint this and some of my

7079
04:23:01,750 --> 04:22:59,680
colleagues even described that this was

7080
04:23:03,990 --> 04:23:01,760
a press conference this was not a press

7081
04:23:06,229 --> 04:23:04,000
conference there was only one reporter

7082
04:23:07,670 --> 04:23:06,239
that was even allowed in the room

7083
04:23:10,469 --> 04:23:07,680
the the rest were kept out in the

7084
04:23:13,269 --> 04:23:10,479
hallway outside of raymie's office

7085
04:23:15,750 --> 04:23:13,279
and the only reporter allowed in was

7086
04:23:17,189 --> 04:23:15,760
james b johnson of the fort worth star

7087
04:23:19,349 --> 04:23:17,199
telegram

7088
04:23:22,550 --> 04:23:19,359
he took the four pictures

7089
04:23:25,189 --> 04:23:22,560
two of raymie and then two more of

7090
04:23:27,189 --> 04:23:25,199
raymie and his chief of staff colonel

7091
04:23:29,510 --> 04:23:27,199
thomas debose

7092
04:23:31,910 --> 04:23:29,520
now dubose

7093
04:23:33,030 --> 04:23:31,920
and he's pictured to uh rainey's right

7094
04:23:33,910 --> 04:23:33,040
there

7095
04:23:35,189 --> 04:23:33,920
sure

7096
04:23:37,990 --> 04:23:35,199
the bose

7097
04:23:40,790 --> 04:23:38,000
who we interviewed

7098
04:23:43,349 --> 04:23:40,800
and went down to orlando florida and met

7099
04:23:44,389 --> 04:23:43,359
with him on a number of occasions spoke

7100
04:23:46,149 --> 04:23:44,399
to him

7101
04:23:49,510 --> 04:23:46,159
numerous times over the phone i have

7102
04:23:51,189 --> 04:23:49,520
correspondence for him i have a letter

7103
04:23:54,389 --> 04:23:51,199
from him saying

7104
04:23:57,590 --> 04:23:54,399
i never saw the real material because we

7105
04:23:59,750 --> 04:23:57,600
switched it he stated in his own

7106
04:24:01,429 --> 04:23:59,760
affidavit now mind you he's a one-star

7107
04:24:02,550 --> 04:24:01,439
general at this time he's a brigadier

7108
04:24:07,269 --> 04:24:02,560
general

7109
04:24:10,790 --> 04:24:07,279
and in sworn affidavit

7110
04:24:12,870 --> 04:24:10,800
the balloon was a hoax we were the ones

7111
04:24:14,630 --> 04:24:12,880
who switched it

7112
04:24:15,830 --> 04:24:14,640
shouldn't that be enough

7113
04:24:17,269 --> 04:24:15,840
shouldn't that be the end of the story

7114
04:24:19,110 --> 04:24:17,279
right there

7115
04:24:20,630 --> 04:24:19,120
because there are no witnesses who claim

7116
04:24:23,750 --> 04:24:20,640
that that was the genuine article who

7117
04:24:25,510 --> 04:24:23,760
were still alive at that time

7118
04:24:27,510 --> 04:24:25,520
and so

7119
04:24:30,229 --> 04:24:27,520
irving newton who was the weather

7120
04:24:31,990 --> 04:24:30,239
officer he's he was uh in the last

7121
04:24:35,110 --> 04:24:32,000
picture taken and that was by the public

7122
04:24:37,349 --> 04:24:35,120
information officer charles a cashion

7123
04:24:40,070 --> 04:24:37,359
who took that particular picture he was

7124
04:24:42,389 --> 04:24:40,080
just ordered over by raymie to come

7125
04:24:44,149 --> 04:24:42,399
identify the weather balloon

7126
04:24:46,070 --> 04:24:44,159
is this a weather balloon

7127
04:24:47,670 --> 04:24:46,080
well of course it was

7128
04:24:50,229 --> 04:24:47,680
it's a weather device

7129
04:24:51,510 --> 04:24:50,239
so newton made a positive identification

7130
04:24:54,790 --> 04:24:51,520
of that wreckage

7131
04:24:56,630 --> 04:24:54,800
and it was flimsy foil you see the the

7132
04:24:59,590 --> 04:24:56,640
black clump at the

7133
04:25:01,510 --> 04:24:59,600
raymie's foot that was rotting neoprene

7134
04:25:03,030 --> 04:25:01,520
rubber in fact

7135
04:25:04,710 --> 04:25:03,040
you know i've always had this huge

7136
04:25:06,469 --> 04:25:04,720
problem with the fact that army

7137
04:25:08,790 --> 04:25:06,479
intelligence officers

7138
04:25:12,309 --> 04:25:08,800
would see this out in the middle of the

7139
04:25:15,670 --> 04:25:12,319
field and not know what it was of course

7140
04:25:18,149 --> 04:25:15,680
any sense to me that that seasoned army

7141
04:25:21,110 --> 04:25:18,159
air force people would not know what

7142
04:25:23,110 --> 04:25:21,120
that was that they would mistake it you

7143
04:25:25,990 --> 04:25:23,120
know in the famous quote marcel said

7144
04:25:28,469 --> 04:25:26,000
what i saw was not made on this earth

7145
04:25:29,830 --> 04:25:28,479
that's a fart yeah that's a far cry from

7146
04:25:31,429 --> 04:25:29,840
something that's so

7147
04:25:33,349 --> 04:25:31,439
common they had to have seen weather

7148
04:25:35,830 --> 04:25:33,359
balloons before maybe even debris from

7149
04:25:36,950 --> 04:25:35,840
weather balloons that crash exactly and

7150
04:25:39,670 --> 04:25:36,960
and uh

7151
04:25:41,349 --> 04:25:39,680
where did the weather balloon come from

7152
04:25:44,630 --> 04:25:41,359
where did this particular device

7153
04:25:48,550 --> 04:25:46,550
it came from roswell

7154
04:25:51,189 --> 04:25:48,560
you know why because they were

7155
04:25:53,830 --> 04:25:51,199
assembling and launching them

7156
04:25:55,830 --> 04:25:53,840
twice a day in conjunction with bomb

7157
04:25:58,229 --> 04:25:55,840
drop exercises

7158
04:25:59,830 --> 04:25:58,239
outside the city limits

7159
04:26:02,229 --> 04:25:59,840
they would launch them from atop the

7160
04:26:03,590 --> 04:26:02,239
bank building which was six stories tall

7161
04:26:06,870 --> 04:26:03,600
at that time

7162
04:26:08,710 --> 04:26:06,880
highest building in roswell

7163
04:26:12,229 --> 04:26:08,720
so they were totally familiar with these

7164
04:26:16,070 --> 04:26:12,239
devices in fact there's a picture in the

7165
04:26:16,870 --> 04:26:16,080
base yearbook of the balloons hanging

7166
04:26:20,790 --> 04:26:16,880
from

7167
04:26:22,469 --> 04:26:20,800
rafters in one of the hangars

7168
04:26:24,790 --> 04:26:22,479
yeah i've seen those pictures there was

7169
04:26:27,590 --> 04:26:24,800
no one more familiar with this balloon

7170
04:26:28,790 --> 04:26:27,600
device than the personnel at roswell

7171
04:26:30,790 --> 04:26:28,800
that's where they were being launched

7172
04:26:33,110 --> 04:26:30,800
from majorly right

7173
04:26:34,950 --> 04:26:33,120
and you see the brown paper

7174
04:26:36,710 --> 04:26:34,960
wrapping on the floor beneath the

7175
04:26:38,790 --> 04:26:36,720
balloon

7176
04:26:42,710 --> 04:26:38,800
sergeant robert porter

7177
04:26:45,750 --> 04:26:42,720
who was with the 715 bomb squadron

7178
04:26:49,189 --> 04:26:45,760
when that marcel flight went out on that

7179
04:26:51,189 --> 04:26:49,199
b-29 called dave's dream

7180
04:26:53,110 --> 04:26:51,199
it went out at three o'clock that

7181
04:26:55,670 --> 04:26:53,120
afternoon three o'clock mountain

7182
04:26:56,870 --> 04:26:55,680
standard time

7183
04:26:58,950 --> 04:26:56,880
porter

7184
04:27:00,550 --> 04:26:58,960
they loaded up

7185
04:27:03,349 --> 04:27:00,560
three

7186
04:27:04,870 --> 04:27:03,359
shoe box size brown paper wrapped

7187
04:27:06,550 --> 04:27:04,880
packages

7188
04:27:09,830 --> 04:27:06,560
in fact in

7189
04:27:11,670 --> 04:27:09,840
a couple of the shots you see one of the

7190
04:27:13,990 --> 04:27:11,680
shoebox sized

7191
04:27:15,590 --> 04:27:14,000
brown paper wrap packages still by the

7192
04:27:17,110 --> 04:27:15,600
heat register

7193
04:27:19,110 --> 04:27:17,120
yeah i'm sorry i don't have i i just

7194
04:27:21,030 --> 04:27:19,120
grabbed the most famous couple but

7195
04:27:23,429 --> 04:27:21,040
you're right i've seen in in the wider

7196
04:27:26,550 --> 04:27:23,439
shots these are cropped images so wider

7197
04:27:30,309 --> 04:27:26,560
shots yeah and when we asked porter what

7198
04:27:31,189 --> 04:27:30,319
was the shape and size of

7199
04:27:33,990 --> 04:27:31,199
the

7200
04:27:35,269 --> 04:27:34,000
final package loaded up he said it was

7201
04:27:37,710 --> 04:27:35,279
about

7202
04:27:42,870 --> 04:27:37,720
two and a half to three foot diameter

7203
04:27:45,189 --> 04:27:42,880
triangular in shape brown paper wrapped

7204
04:27:48,950 --> 04:27:45,199
and loaded into the bombay and that's

7205
04:27:51,750 --> 04:27:48,960
the very angle you have from the kite

7206
04:27:53,910 --> 04:27:51,760
and there is the brown paper

7207
04:27:56,149 --> 04:27:53,920
that had once wrapped

7208
04:27:58,790 --> 04:27:56,159
this balloon

7209
04:28:00,149 --> 04:27:58,800
it came from roswell

7210
04:28:03,110 --> 04:28:00,159
it was nothing more than an

7211
04:28:04,870 --> 04:28:03,120
off-the-shelf weather balloon device

7212
04:28:06,309 --> 04:28:04,880
that a five-year-old child would have

7213
04:28:08,309 --> 04:28:06,319
recognized

7214
04:28:10,070 --> 04:28:08,319
and general raymond

7215
04:28:12,309 --> 04:28:10,080
if we want to go again

7216
04:28:15,269 --> 04:28:12,319
by a documentation

7217
04:28:18,550 --> 04:28:15,279
by 1 30 that afternoon

7218
04:28:20,830 --> 04:28:18,560
two and a half hours before marcel

7219
04:28:24,149 --> 04:28:20,840
even arrives in fort

7220
04:28:25,590 --> 04:28:24,159
worth raimi is fielding phone calls from

7221
04:28:27,910 --> 04:28:25,600
the press

7222
04:28:31,670 --> 04:28:27,920
and he's describing the weather balloon

7223
04:28:33,429 --> 04:28:31,680
already in his office

7224
04:28:35,110 --> 04:28:33,439
that's convenient

7225
04:28:38,309 --> 04:28:35,120
it didn't arrive yet but it was already

7226
04:28:40,950 --> 04:28:38,319
there a matter of documented fact you

7227
04:28:43,429 --> 04:28:40,960
skeptics go it's in all the newspapers

7228
04:28:45,670 --> 04:28:43,439
at that time general raymie is claiming

7229
04:28:49,030 --> 04:28:45,680
that balloon device is already in his

7230
04:28:52,070 --> 04:28:49,040
office hours before it supposedly

7231
04:28:53,750 --> 04:28:52,080
arrives from roswell

7232
04:28:55,510 --> 04:28:53,760
well i've never heard that before that's

7233
04:28:56,469 --> 04:28:55,520
that's new to me and i wanted to ask you

7234
04:28:58,790 --> 04:28:56,479
of course

7235
04:29:00,870 --> 04:28:58,800
about your thoughts on a rainy memo and

7236
04:29:03,110 --> 04:29:00,880
some people's attempt to

7237
04:29:05,910 --> 04:29:03,120
decipher what was actually written and

7238
04:29:08,309 --> 04:29:05,920
again this is this is

7239
04:29:10,469 --> 04:29:08,319
this is there was something in in mr

7240
04:29:12,790 --> 04:29:10,479
in his hand here and it's been called

7241
04:29:13,990 --> 04:29:12,800
the rainy memo this is a bad picture but

7242
04:29:15,910 --> 04:29:14,000
there's another picture where you can

7243
04:29:17,910 --> 04:29:15,920
almost see what's written on the image

7244
04:29:19,990 --> 04:29:17,920
and people have blown it up trying to

7245
04:29:22,229 --> 04:29:20,000
get scans and the negatives image for a

7246
04:29:24,870 --> 04:29:22,239
second here i want to just touch sure

7247
04:29:29,030 --> 04:29:26,630
it's tantalizing because even in this it

7248
04:29:32,309 --> 04:29:29,040
seems like you can almost read it right

7249
04:29:36,469 --> 04:29:32,319
that's general raymie's thumb

7250
04:29:44,309 --> 04:29:39,510
okay it's got a jagged rip

7251
04:29:47,990 --> 04:29:46,630
you see how his thumbnail is torn yeah

7252
04:29:50,070 --> 04:29:48,000
what's the significant of that

7253
04:29:52,469 --> 04:29:50,080
significance of that what's significant

7254
04:29:56,790 --> 04:29:52,479
is that he also has his tie on he still

7255
04:29:58,830 --> 04:29:56,800
has his cap on in his own office

7256
04:30:01,269 --> 04:29:58,840
this came together so

7257
04:30:03,750 --> 04:30:01,279
quickly that even opening up that

7258
04:30:06,469 --> 04:30:03,760
balloon and ripping at the shreds

7259
04:30:08,309 --> 04:30:06,479
again this is speculation on our part

7260
04:30:10,309 --> 04:30:08,319
but it suggests oh yeah he could have

7261
04:30:13,030 --> 04:30:10,319
screwed up his nails ripping stuff up

7262
04:30:15,830 --> 04:30:13,040
that he didn't even have time to repair

7263
04:30:17,110 --> 04:30:15,840
his nail

7264
04:30:18,149 --> 04:30:17,120
that's another thing i've never heard

7265
04:30:21,510 --> 04:30:18,159
before

7266
04:30:25,110 --> 04:30:23,510
if i would have forensic experts look at

7267
04:30:26,870 --> 04:30:25,120
this you know those are the things that

7268
04:30:29,750 --> 04:30:26,880
they would look at they would look at if

7269
04:30:32,309 --> 04:30:29,760
you look at the at the shots of the

7270
04:30:34,389 --> 04:30:32,319
balloon let's look out the window

7271
04:30:35,510 --> 04:30:34,399
you can see that the pictures are taken

7272
04:30:36,950 --> 04:30:35,520
at different

7273
04:30:38,870 --> 04:30:36,960
times a day

7274
04:30:42,309 --> 04:30:38,880
based on the shadow

7275
04:30:44,469 --> 04:30:42,319
coming through the window

7276
04:30:48,309 --> 04:30:44,479
that's why we know that's why we know

7277
04:30:50,229 --> 04:30:48,319
that marcel was photographed first

7278
04:30:52,870 --> 04:30:50,239
and he was not photographed by a

7279
04:30:54,710 --> 04:30:52,880
reporter he was photographed by

7280
04:30:57,110 --> 04:30:54,720
again the public information officer

7281
04:31:00,149 --> 04:30:57,120
charles cashion and then he was ordered

7282
04:31:03,030 --> 04:31:00,159
by raymie not to say a word to any of

7283
04:31:04,550 --> 04:31:03,040
the press on the hallway

7284
04:31:06,389 --> 04:31:04,560
he was to just

7285
04:31:08,229 --> 04:31:06,399
report back to

7286
04:31:10,229 --> 04:31:08,239
as far as his

7287
04:31:12,550 --> 04:31:10,239
headquarters overnight they kept him

7288
04:31:15,750 --> 04:31:12,560
overnight and he doesn't return back to

7289
04:31:17,349 --> 04:31:15,760
roswell till the next evening

7290
04:31:19,590 --> 04:31:17,359
they keep him

7291
04:31:22,469 --> 04:31:19,600
as far as under essentially cloak and

7292
04:31:25,269 --> 04:31:22,479
dagger for the next

7293
04:31:26,870 --> 04:31:25,279
two days yeah story died pretty quickly

7294
04:31:28,389 --> 04:31:26,880
once they threw up the weather balloon

7295
04:31:29,670 --> 04:31:28,399
explanation right

7296
04:31:30,870 --> 04:31:29,680
as planned

7297
04:31:33,510 --> 04:31:30,880
yeah and what do you think of the

7298
04:31:35,349 --> 04:31:33,520
validity of some people's deciphering of

7299
04:31:37,189 --> 04:31:35,359
what's on this memo do you think that's

7300
04:31:38,710 --> 04:31:37,199
really valid or do you think that it's a

7301
04:31:40,469 --> 04:31:38,720
case of people

7302
04:31:41,670 --> 04:31:40,479
seeing what they want to see in some

7303
04:31:43,429 --> 04:31:41,680
cases

7304
04:31:45,269 --> 04:31:43,439
i um

7305
04:31:47,910 --> 04:31:45,279
i know david very well

7306
04:31:49,590 --> 04:31:47,920
and i have the highest regard for his

7307
04:31:51,110 --> 04:31:49,600
research i'm talking about dr david

7308
04:31:53,670 --> 04:31:51,120
rudiak

7309
04:31:55,990 --> 04:31:53,680
and mainly like

7310
04:31:58,790 --> 04:31:56,000
for the fact that nobody has spent more

7311
04:32:00,710 --> 04:31:58,800
time working on the rainy memo

7312
04:32:02,710 --> 04:32:00,720
than rudyard

7313
04:32:03,990 --> 04:32:02,720
i mean we're not just talking about an

7314
04:32:06,550 --> 04:32:04,000
afternoon

7315
04:32:10,710 --> 04:32:06,560
of analysis we're not just talking about

7316
04:32:12,950 --> 04:32:10,720
doing a certain um magnification and

7317
04:32:15,590 --> 04:32:12,960
some nude uh

7318
04:32:18,870 --> 04:32:15,600
magnifi as far as electronic

7319
04:32:21,189 --> 04:32:18,880
enhancement of the image and uh let me

7320
04:32:23,750 --> 04:32:21,199
tell you what i believe it says after

7321
04:32:25,670 --> 04:32:23,760
looking at it for all of a couple hours

7322
04:32:28,550 --> 04:32:25,680
rudyard has spent years

7323
04:32:29,830 --> 04:32:28,560
and for that reason

7324
04:32:31,030 --> 04:32:29,840
i place

7325
04:32:36,309 --> 04:32:31,040
my

7326
04:32:38,790 --> 04:32:36,319
in his

7327
04:32:40,309 --> 04:32:38,800
analysis and his discernment of what it

7328
04:32:43,750 --> 04:32:40,319
says

7329
04:32:45,030 --> 04:32:43,760
but today because we still have this

7330
04:32:47,189 --> 04:32:45,040
dispute

7331
04:32:49,670 --> 04:32:47,199
this argument

7332
04:32:51,830 --> 04:32:49,680
and whenever i hear someone say well we

7333
04:32:53,269 --> 04:32:51,840
have done all we can with the original

7334
04:32:54,710 --> 04:32:53,279
negative

7335
04:32:57,510 --> 04:32:54,720
well there's one

7336
04:32:58,710 --> 04:32:57,520
analysis that we get to do

7337
04:33:01,429 --> 04:32:58,720
and

7338
04:33:04,310 --> 04:33:01,439
you learn this

7339
04:33:06,390 --> 04:33:04,320
for those of us who've relied on flight

7340
04:33:09,269 --> 04:33:06,400
control

7341
04:33:12,150 --> 04:33:09,279
that handle respective air space between

7342
04:33:14,709 --> 04:33:12,160
commercial airports

7343
04:33:17,189 --> 04:33:14,719
in the midwest for example here

7344
04:33:18,869 --> 04:33:17,199
where i resign wisconsin our flight

7345
04:33:19,750 --> 04:33:18,879
control center

7346
04:33:25,429 --> 04:33:19,760
is

7347
04:33:27,189 --> 04:33:25,439
which handles seven states

7348
04:33:29,510 --> 04:33:27,199
throughout the midwest

7349
04:33:32,070 --> 04:33:29,520
and it's not human interpretation of a

7350
04:33:33,590 --> 04:33:32,080
radar signal it's computer

7351
04:33:36,390 --> 04:33:33,600
interpretation

7352
04:33:39,349 --> 04:33:36,400
it separates weather anomaly to actually

7353
04:33:42,551 --> 04:33:39,359
transponder aircraft and then private

7354
04:33:45,510 --> 04:33:42,561
aircraft as and either a solid green

7355
04:33:47,910 --> 04:33:45,520
blipper as a plus or a c or as a minus

7356
04:33:50,150 --> 04:33:47,920
or or a red green or red that type of

7357
04:33:52,789 --> 04:33:50,160
thing but nonetheless it's 90 screens

7358
04:33:56,150 --> 04:33:52,799
radar screens all computer

7359
04:33:59,109 --> 04:33:56,160
and analyzed all computer interpreted

7360
04:34:03,189 --> 04:33:59,119
what i have been recommending for years

7361
04:34:06,310 --> 04:34:03,199
is that we need to create a program

7362
04:34:08,150 --> 04:34:06,320
that will read the documents

7363
04:34:11,189 --> 04:34:08,160
there are only 26

7364
04:34:12,709 --> 04:34:11,199
possibilities as far as letters go

7365
04:34:14,551 --> 04:34:12,719
and then

7366
04:34:17,109 --> 04:34:14,561
if we apply

7367
04:34:19,830 --> 04:34:17,119
the question as to what type of military

7368
04:34:21,189 --> 04:34:19,840
jargon would have been used in a telex

7369
04:34:24,869 --> 04:34:21,199
at that time

7370
04:34:26,709 --> 04:34:24,879
and that they have to be as far as um

7371
04:34:30,310 --> 04:34:26,719
grammatically uh

7372
04:34:32,070 --> 04:34:30,320
correct uh sentences that type of thing

7373
04:34:35,109 --> 04:34:32,080
let's let a computer

7374
04:34:38,070 --> 04:34:35,119
analyze the memo

7375
04:34:41,429 --> 04:34:38,080
and accept it as the final word

7376
04:34:44,070 --> 04:34:41,439
no more human interpretation

7377
04:34:47,830 --> 04:34:44,080
in other words let's let

7378
04:34:49,910 --> 04:34:47,840
artificial let's let i ai

7379
04:34:51,910 --> 04:34:49,920
see what it can do with the document as

7380
04:34:55,429 --> 04:34:51,920
best as possible

7381
04:34:58,551 --> 04:34:55,439
as best as it can and then with a joint

7382
04:35:03,269 --> 04:35:00,869
this will be the final say

7383
04:35:04,949 --> 04:35:03,279
it's as far as we can go

7384
04:35:06,551 --> 04:35:04,959
yeah i agree that that thing has always

7385
04:35:08,709 --> 04:35:06,561
been tantalizing to me because i've

7386
04:35:10,551 --> 04:35:08,719
always thought like you know i heard mr

7387
04:35:12,869 --> 04:35:10,561
randall say if that photographer was

7388
04:35:15,029 --> 04:35:12,879
standing three feet closer we'd know

7389
04:35:17,349 --> 04:35:15,039
exactly what that memo said

7390
04:35:18,869 --> 04:35:17,359
but i think that image analysis software

7391
04:35:20,709 --> 04:35:18,879
and you're right ai

7392
04:35:22,470 --> 04:35:20,719
brought to bear against a problem like

7393
04:35:24,310 --> 04:35:22,480
that may be the best solution because

7394
04:35:25,830 --> 04:35:24,320
then we take the human equation out of

7395
04:35:27,269 --> 04:35:25,840
it and we're not

7396
04:35:29,590 --> 04:35:27,279
you know right machine is not going to

7397
04:35:31,349 --> 04:35:29,600
be biased it's going to pick it apart

7398
04:35:32,310 --> 04:35:31,359
and just like what it says or doesn't

7399
04:35:33,910 --> 04:35:32,320
say

7400
04:35:36,470 --> 04:35:33,920
and that's it

7401
04:35:39,109 --> 04:35:36,480
and it's it's not faces in the clouds

7402
04:35:40,470 --> 04:35:39,119
because letter-wise there are only 26

7403
04:35:42,470 --> 04:35:40,480
possibilities

7404
04:35:44,470 --> 04:35:42,480
and then they have to make it they have

7405
04:35:47,910 --> 04:35:44,480
to become as far as

7406
04:35:50,629 --> 04:35:47,920
complete words and then they have to be

7407
04:35:53,189 --> 04:35:50,639
as far as make complete sentences it has

7408
04:35:55,990 --> 04:35:53,199
to all make sense

7409
04:35:57,990 --> 04:35:56,000
yeah so it narrows the scope it narrows

7410
04:35:58,789 --> 04:35:58,000
the scope to the point that

7411
04:36:01,429 --> 04:35:58,799
uh

7412
04:36:03,750 --> 04:36:01,439
i i still believe that there's this

7413
04:36:05,429 --> 04:36:03,760
final effort that needs to be done and i

7414
04:36:06,789 --> 04:36:05,439
pretty much got the idea from studio

7415
04:36:08,629 --> 04:36:06,799
macbeth

7416
04:36:10,070 --> 04:36:08,639
with uh

7417
04:36:12,869 --> 04:36:10,080
ray downing

7418
04:36:16,070 --> 04:36:12,879
in new york when they were doing the 3d

7419
04:36:17,590 --> 04:36:16,080
uh imagery of the shroud of turin

7420
04:36:20,310 --> 04:36:17,600
and they were running

7421
04:36:22,869 --> 04:36:20,320
same problem

7422
04:36:25,990 --> 04:36:22,879
that we run into the raimi memo that as

7423
04:36:28,150 --> 04:36:26,000
we enhance the image you also enhance

7424
04:36:30,470 --> 04:36:28,160
the noise

7425
04:36:31,910 --> 04:36:30,480
in the shrouds case

7426
04:36:33,349 --> 04:36:31,920
they were enhancing they were

7427
04:36:36,390 --> 04:36:33,359
exaggerating

7428
04:36:38,070 --> 04:36:36,400
the fabric the weave of the fabric

7429
04:36:40,789 --> 04:36:38,080
and in the photograph

7430
04:36:41,750 --> 04:36:40,799
we're enhancing the grain

7431
04:36:44,390 --> 04:36:41,760
so

7432
04:36:45,750 --> 04:36:44,400
they developed a computer program that

7433
04:36:49,590 --> 04:36:45,760
would shave

7434
04:36:51,349 --> 04:36:49,600
layer by layer away that fabric i i

7435
04:36:53,189 --> 04:36:51,359
remember yeah it was a special algorithm

7436
04:36:54,310 --> 04:36:53,199
that they designed just to clean out the

7437
04:36:58,470 --> 04:36:54,320
noise

7438
04:37:03,910 --> 04:36:58,480
do

7439
04:37:05,429 --> 04:37:03,920
yeah that's interesting because i have a

7440
04:37:06,869 --> 04:37:05,439
background in computer science but even

7441
04:37:09,670 --> 04:37:06,879
i wouldn't know where to begin with that

7442
04:37:11,910 --> 04:37:09,680
but i have some friends that might

7443
04:37:14,949 --> 04:37:11,920
so yeah i can ask around and see what

7444
04:37:17,510 --> 04:37:14,959
people think i happen to have a dvd or

7445
04:37:19,670 --> 04:37:17,520
cd-rom somewhere of that

7446
04:37:21,750 --> 04:37:19,680
high quality scan of this thing and i've

7447
04:37:23,750 --> 04:37:21,760
never done anything with it

7448
04:37:26,390 --> 04:37:23,760
next i wanted to talk to you a bit about

7449
04:37:27,830 --> 04:37:26,400
what i believe is probably my favorite

7450
04:37:29,429 --> 04:37:27,840
book you've written

7451
04:37:31,349 --> 04:37:29,439
because to me

7452
04:37:34,070 --> 04:37:31,359
it's just so convincing and that is this

7453
04:37:35,109 --> 04:37:34,080
children of roswell book

7454
04:37:37,189 --> 04:37:35,119
again

7455
04:37:38,949 --> 04:37:37,199
some of the skeptics and even mr korff

7456
04:37:40,310 --> 04:37:38,959
have been here and been very dismissive

7457
04:37:42,551 --> 04:37:40,320
of the witnesses

7458
04:37:44,949 --> 04:37:42,561
saying well they lied they exaggerated

7459
04:37:47,750 --> 04:37:44,959
uh uh even you know going so far as to

7460
04:37:49,029 --> 04:37:47,760
say well uh you know uh

7461
04:37:52,150 --> 04:37:49,039
some people

7462
04:37:53,910 --> 04:37:52,160
may exaggerate you know marcel was

7463
04:37:56,470 --> 04:37:53,920
his son said well sometimes he

7464
04:37:57,189 --> 04:37:56,480
exaggerated i don't know but i thought

7465
04:37:59,590 --> 04:37:57,199
that

7466
04:38:00,551 --> 04:37:59,600
most skeptics are just so dismissive of

7467
04:38:02,869 --> 04:38:00,561
the uh

7468
04:38:04,470 --> 04:38:02,879
of the witness testimony or they

7469
04:38:05,990 --> 04:38:04,480
completely discount second-hand

7470
04:38:07,510 --> 04:38:06,000
testimony and i think they should all

7471
04:38:09,109 --> 04:38:07,520
read this book children of roswell

7472
04:38:11,109 --> 04:38:09,119
because to me

7473
04:38:12,949 --> 04:38:11,119
that's what made me a believer again

7474
04:38:15,429 --> 04:38:12,959
going why you know

7475
04:38:17,109 --> 04:38:15,439
especially my father was in the military

7476
04:38:20,070 --> 04:38:17,119
he didn't have a tendency to just make

7477
04:38:21,189 --> 04:38:20,080
up bs stories especially near his death

7478
04:38:22,470 --> 04:38:21,199
you know

7479
04:38:28,230 --> 04:38:22,480
so

7480
04:38:30,629 --> 04:38:28,240
people were threatened intimidated

7481
04:38:32,629 --> 04:38:30,639
harassed or whatever and they kept quiet

7482
04:38:35,269 --> 04:38:32,639
about some of these events and then

7483
04:38:36,789 --> 04:38:35,279
later in life they talked more openly

7484
04:38:39,109 --> 04:38:36,799
about it can you talk a little bit about

7485
04:38:40,709 --> 04:38:39,119
some of the children of roswell first of

7486
04:38:42,390 --> 04:38:40,719
course

7487
04:38:45,349 --> 04:38:42,400
just imagine

7488
04:38:47,670 --> 04:38:45,359
either one of us being in this situation

7489
04:38:50,310 --> 04:38:47,680
where our father

7490
04:38:52,390 --> 04:38:50,320
is lying on a gurney

7491
04:38:54,150 --> 04:38:52,400
as they are making final preparations to

7492
04:38:56,629 --> 04:38:54,160
take him in

7493
04:38:59,429 --> 04:38:56,639
to the or

7494
04:39:02,310 --> 04:38:59,439
for open-heart surgery

7495
04:39:04,629 --> 04:39:02,320
and he's very frail

7496
04:39:07,109 --> 04:39:04,639
and there's a very good chance that he's

7497
04:39:09,590 --> 04:39:07,119
not going to survive

7498
04:39:12,230 --> 04:39:09,600
and he waves us over

7499
04:39:14,629 --> 04:39:12,240
before they put him asleep

7500
04:39:16,629 --> 04:39:14,639
and he says

7501
04:39:18,070 --> 04:39:16,639
i need to tell you something that

7502
04:39:19,750 --> 04:39:18,080
happened while i was still in the

7503
04:39:21,590 --> 04:39:19,760
service

7504
04:39:24,709 --> 04:39:21,600
and it relates to when i was stationed

7505
04:39:27,109 --> 04:39:24,719
at roswell in 1947

7506
04:39:29,590 --> 04:39:27,119
and then they go on to describe that i

7507
04:39:31,670 --> 04:39:29,600
was part of the recovery team

7508
04:39:33,029 --> 04:39:31,680
i not only saw

7509
04:39:34,390 --> 04:39:33,039
the remains

7510
04:39:35,429 --> 04:39:34,400
of this

7511
04:39:37,830 --> 04:39:35,439
ship

7512
04:39:40,150 --> 04:39:37,840
that was not a plane

7513
04:39:43,110 --> 04:39:40,160
it was not a rocket it didn't have wings

7514
04:39:45,510 --> 04:39:43,120
or a tail section and the material

7515
04:39:47,110 --> 04:39:45,520
defied anything i've ever seen

7516
04:39:49,750 --> 04:39:47,120
since

7517
04:39:51,830 --> 04:39:49,760
and then see the bodies that we first

7518
04:39:53,030 --> 04:39:51,840
thought were children and as we got

7519
04:39:56,708 --> 04:39:53,040
closer

7520
04:39:59,510 --> 04:39:56,718
my god they're not from here

7521
04:40:01,750 --> 04:39:59,520
and then there was a survivor one was

7522
04:40:02,390 --> 04:40:01,760
still living

7523
04:40:04,150 --> 04:40:02,400
now

7524
04:40:05,270 --> 04:40:04,160
that happened

7525
04:40:07,910 --> 04:40:05,280
between

7526
04:40:10,788 --> 04:40:07,920
sergeant homer rowlett

7527
04:40:13,350 --> 04:40:10,798
who was with the 683rd

7528
04:40:15,110 --> 04:40:13,360
squadron

7529
04:40:18,390 --> 04:40:15,120
and his daughter

7530
04:40:23,990 --> 04:40:21,030
now what are we going to say

7531
04:40:25,190 --> 04:40:24,000
it was a deathbed statement as it turned

7532
04:40:26,390 --> 04:40:25,200
out

7533
04:40:29,190 --> 04:40:26,400
well

7534
04:40:31,510 --> 04:40:29,200
sweetheart dear come over let me tell

7535
04:40:32,788 --> 04:40:31,520
you one last big whopper yet before i

7536
04:40:34,230 --> 04:40:32,798
die

7537
04:40:36,390 --> 04:40:34,240
yeah that's why i don't find this

7538
04:40:38,390 --> 04:40:36,400
dismissive attitude of skeptics towards

7539
04:40:41,350 --> 04:40:38,400
these people to be

7540
04:40:43,750 --> 04:40:41,360
plausible or probable because again if

7541
04:40:46,390 --> 04:40:43,760
we throw out roswell death beds

7542
04:40:48,708 --> 04:40:46,400
we have to throw out all of them and

7543
04:40:50,868 --> 04:40:48,718
and and also you only gave one example

7544
04:40:52,550 --> 04:40:50,878
from your book your book is filled with

7545
04:40:54,708 --> 04:40:52,560
these sorts of

7546
04:40:56,310 --> 04:40:54,718
second-hand accounts from children of

7547
04:40:58,948 --> 04:40:56,320
people that were directly involved with

7548
04:41:00,550 --> 04:40:58,958
the roswell event and in your book you

7549
04:41:02,470 --> 04:41:00,560
didn't just accept their word you went

7550
04:41:04,390 --> 04:41:02,480
and checked that their father with the

7551
04:41:06,708 --> 04:41:04,400
person that told them this actually was

7552
04:41:08,788 --> 04:41:06,718
there stationed there you checked their

7553
04:41:10,868 --> 04:41:08,798
military record exactly and was

7554
04:41:12,470 --> 04:41:10,878
witnessed by others who were also

7555
04:41:15,430 --> 04:41:12,480
involved and yes

7556
04:41:18,150 --> 04:41:15,440
roulette was there in the field with us

7557
04:41:21,430 --> 04:41:18,160
he was there he was involved and then

7558
04:41:23,830 --> 04:41:21,440
roulette had actually told his son the

7559
04:41:25,030 --> 04:41:23,840
identical story before he went into the

7560
04:41:27,750 --> 04:41:25,040
hospital

7561
04:41:30,788 --> 04:41:27,760
so he made sure that his son also knew

7562
04:41:34,230 --> 04:41:30,798
unbeknownst to his sister

7563
04:41:35,110 --> 04:41:34,240
edwin easley was the provost marshall

7564
04:41:37,190 --> 04:41:35,120
when

7565
04:41:38,868 --> 04:41:37,200
kevin and i tracked him down kevin spoke

7566
04:41:40,628 --> 04:41:38,878
to him the first time

7567
04:41:43,350 --> 04:41:40,638
over the phone

7568
04:41:46,470 --> 04:41:43,360
again mind you this is in 1990.

7569
04:41:49,270 --> 04:41:46,480
he's a he's a retired lieutenant colonel

7570
04:41:51,110 --> 04:41:49,280
living in the dallas area

7571
04:41:53,030 --> 04:41:51,120
and over and over again he kept telling

7572
04:41:54,628 --> 04:41:53,040
kevin no matter what he asked them about

7573
04:41:56,868 --> 04:41:54,638
1947.

7574
04:41:58,708 --> 04:41:56,878
i can't talk about that i'm still sworn

7575
04:42:00,788 --> 04:41:58,718
to secrecy

7576
04:42:03,270 --> 04:42:00,798
where y'all at the crash site don't i

7577
04:42:04,550 --> 04:42:03,280
can't talk about that i'm still sworn to

7578
04:42:06,230 --> 04:42:04,560
secrecy

7579
04:42:09,030 --> 04:42:06,240
okay yeah colonel you're sworn to

7580
04:42:11,830 --> 04:42:09,040
secrecy over a weather balloon after 43

7581
04:42:15,750 --> 04:42:13,190
so

7582
04:42:18,230 --> 04:42:15,760
he agreed to uh receive a copy of our

7583
04:42:20,070 --> 04:42:18,240
first book ufo crash at roswell

7584
04:42:22,070 --> 04:42:20,080
and kevin and i would wait

7585
04:42:24,470 --> 04:42:22,080
some months thereafter and we were at

7586
04:42:26,628 --> 04:42:24,480
the office in chicago at kufos at the

7587
04:42:27,670 --> 04:42:26,638
center for ufo studies

7588
04:42:30,230 --> 04:42:27,680
and

7589
04:42:31,350 --> 04:42:30,240
we agreed why don't we call up colonel

7590
04:42:33,430 --> 04:42:31,360
easley

7591
04:42:37,510 --> 04:42:33,440
and see if he's read the book

7592
04:42:41,030 --> 04:42:37,520
see if he hasn't had a change of heart

7593
04:42:43,030 --> 04:42:41,040
and kevin's speaking to him once again

7594
04:42:45,750 --> 04:42:43,040
and he again

7595
04:42:48,830 --> 04:42:45,760
same response

7596
04:42:52,230 --> 04:42:48,840
can't answer that i'm still sworn to

7597
04:42:55,190 --> 04:42:52,240
secrecy kevin we had a plan

7598
04:42:57,430 --> 04:42:55,200
kevin asks colonel easley well you see

7599
04:42:59,110 --> 04:42:57,440
which direction the witnesses are taking

7600
04:43:00,550 --> 04:42:59,120
us you see

7601
04:43:03,510 --> 04:43:00,560
which direction

7602
04:43:05,190 --> 04:43:03,520
the investigation is going

7603
04:43:07,270 --> 04:43:05,200
you tell us if we're going in the right

7604
04:43:09,270 --> 04:43:07,280
direction

7605
04:43:11,670 --> 04:43:09,280
and there's a bit of a pause

7606
04:43:13,350 --> 04:43:11,680
and colonel easily comes back

7607
04:43:17,190 --> 04:43:13,360
well let's just say

7608
04:43:18,948 --> 04:43:17,200
you're not going in the wrong direction

7609
04:43:21,590 --> 04:43:18,958
yeah i found that very compelling when

7610
04:43:23,590 --> 04:43:21,600
mr carrie talked about it as well yeah i

7611
04:43:27,030 --> 04:43:23,600
mean he didn't admit

7612
04:43:28,788 --> 04:43:27,040
you know anything but he still told us

7613
04:43:30,628 --> 04:43:28,798
you know without giving away any without

7614
04:43:32,948 --> 04:43:30,638
breaking his oath

7615
04:43:35,350 --> 04:43:32,958
he still told us all that he could

7616
04:43:38,070 --> 04:43:35,360
without being direct

7617
04:43:39,990 --> 04:43:38,080
about uh his involvement so i once had a

7618
04:43:41,270 --> 04:43:40,000
government employee tell me i can't tell

7619
04:43:43,350 --> 04:43:41,280
you that but i can tell you where to

7620
04:43:46,470 --> 04:43:43,360
look for it and he was right he was

7621
04:43:48,150 --> 04:43:46,480
right he couldn't violate his his ndas

7622
04:43:49,910 --> 04:43:48,160
and his his uh

7623
04:43:51,590 --> 04:43:49,920
secrecy agreements but he could tell me

7624
04:43:53,350 --> 04:43:51,600
where to look for it and i found what i

7625
04:43:54,708 --> 04:43:53,360
was looking for and that's how they do

7626
04:43:56,470 --> 04:43:54,718
it that's how they have their plausible

7627
04:43:59,750 --> 04:43:56,480
deniability

7628
04:44:02,310 --> 04:43:59,760
so so two years later

7629
04:44:04,550 --> 04:44:02,320
easley is dying of stomach cancer that

7630
04:44:06,868 --> 04:44:04,560
parkland hospital in dallas

7631
04:44:10,310 --> 04:44:06,878
same hospital that john f kennedy

7632
04:44:14,708 --> 04:44:12,628
and in the presence of

7633
04:44:17,350 --> 04:44:14,718
his two daughters

7634
04:44:20,948 --> 04:44:17,360
one of them being nancy strickland

7635
04:44:24,310 --> 04:44:20,958
who is a practicing attorney

7636
04:44:26,310 --> 04:44:24,320
his granddaughter brings him a gift

7637
04:44:29,510 --> 04:44:26,320
walks up to his hospital bed and holds

7638
04:44:31,350 --> 04:44:29,520
it up to his face and he turns away and

7639
04:44:34,310 --> 04:44:31,360
goes oh

7640
04:44:39,430 --> 04:44:37,270
and then explains that

7641
04:44:40,390 --> 04:44:39,440
the president had asked them whether

7642
04:44:41,190 --> 04:44:40,400
through

7643
04:44:43,430 --> 04:44:41,200
you know

7644
04:44:45,430 --> 04:44:43,440
a direct request

7645
04:44:46,470 --> 04:44:45,440
or you know some representative but

7646
04:44:48,230 --> 04:44:46,480
nonetheless

7647
04:44:49,830 --> 04:44:48,240
the president asked us never to talk

7648
04:44:52,788 --> 04:44:49,840
about this again

7649
04:44:55,430 --> 04:44:52,798
i kept my word i i can't tell you how i

7650
04:44:58,470 --> 04:44:55,440
regret that i was never able to tell you

7651
04:45:01,430 --> 04:44:58,480
what happened back in roswell 1947

7652
04:45:03,590 --> 04:45:01,440
but it was all true it did happen

7653
04:45:05,910 --> 04:45:03,600
the granddaughter had held up a copy of

7654
04:45:07,590 --> 04:45:05,920
our book ufo crash at roswell

7655
04:45:09,670 --> 04:45:07,600
she was so there's another deathbed

7656
04:45:12,628 --> 04:45:09,680
confirmation at the alien hypothesis

7657
04:45:14,628 --> 04:45:12,638
just may be correct the creatures

7658
04:45:16,550 --> 04:45:14,638
and that from the very provost marshal

7659
04:45:19,670 --> 04:45:16,560
who was in charge of all military

7660
04:45:21,270 --> 04:45:19,680
security on the base at that time

7661
04:45:24,310 --> 04:45:21,280
you have

7662
04:45:26,070 --> 04:45:24,320
the uh the base adjective

7663
04:45:28,310 --> 04:45:26,080
another retired lieutenant colonel

7664
04:45:30,310 --> 04:45:28,320
patrick saunders

7665
04:45:32,708 --> 04:45:30,320
who when i spoke to him the first time

7666
04:45:34,470 --> 04:45:32,718
he just laughed oh the little green men

7667
04:45:37,030 --> 04:45:34,480
from mars you know

7668
04:45:38,868 --> 04:45:37,040
no truth to it at all

7669
04:45:40,948 --> 04:45:38,878
and then before he dies he had fallen

7670
04:45:44,230 --> 04:45:40,958
off of a roof

7671
04:45:45,910 --> 04:45:44,240
and uh that was in 1995

7672
04:45:49,590 --> 04:45:45,920
and um

7673
04:45:53,510 --> 04:45:49,600
he knew he only had so much time to live

7674
04:45:56,230 --> 04:45:53,520
and he had purchased as many paperback

7675
04:45:59,350 --> 04:45:56,240
copies of our second book truth about

7676
04:46:01,430 --> 04:45:59,360
beautiful crash of roswell that he could

7677
04:46:03,590 --> 04:46:01,440
and he gave them out to his best friends

7678
04:46:05,190 --> 04:46:03,600
and to his family

7679
04:46:08,150 --> 04:46:05,200
and i don't know if i have the quote

7680
04:46:10,150 --> 04:46:08,160
exact but it was basically

7681
04:46:11,910 --> 04:46:10,160
on the inner leaf

7682
04:46:14,868 --> 04:46:11,920
let of the book

7683
04:46:19,830 --> 04:46:16,550
here's the truth

7684
04:46:21,670 --> 04:46:19,840
i never told anybody anybody before i

7685
04:46:23,270 --> 04:46:21,680
kept my word

7686
04:46:25,430 --> 04:46:23,280
pat

7687
04:46:28,470 --> 04:46:25,440
wow that's interesting

7688
04:46:30,310 --> 04:46:28,480
i i i can if i'm

7689
04:46:33,110 --> 04:46:30,320
a detective

7690
04:46:34,470 --> 04:46:33,120
an intelligence investigator

7691
04:46:36,788 --> 04:46:34,480
if i'm any

7692
04:46:37,990 --> 04:46:36,798
legitimate investigator who was just

7693
04:46:40,310 --> 04:46:38,000
allowing

7694
04:46:44,628 --> 04:46:40,320
the evidence take me

7695
04:46:46,390 --> 04:46:44,638
to whatever the final resolution is

7696
04:46:49,110 --> 04:46:46,400
how could i just dismiss that and say

7697
04:46:51,590 --> 04:46:49,120
well he was just lying he was just again

7698
04:46:54,948 --> 04:46:51,600
pulling all their legs one last joke

7699
04:46:57,670 --> 04:46:54,958
while he was still you know here

7700
04:47:00,390 --> 04:46:57,680
easily all the creatures oh he was just

7701
04:47:03,270 --> 04:47:00,400
having a a quick laugh at the expense of

7702
04:47:04,948 --> 04:47:03,280
his two daughters and his granddaughter

7703
04:47:06,948 --> 04:47:04,958
yeah it doesn't make sense to me and the

7704
04:47:08,868 --> 04:47:06,958
volume of the witnesses in the sec even

7705
04:47:10,708 --> 04:47:08,878
though they're second-hand witnesses

7706
04:47:11,830 --> 04:47:10,718
i still found that book to be really

7707
04:47:13,030 --> 04:47:11,840
compelling

7708
04:47:14,470 --> 04:47:13,040
it was one of those that i could have

7709
04:47:16,150 --> 04:47:14,480
put it down until i finished the whole

7710
04:47:20,230 --> 04:47:16,160
book and then i was sad that it was over

7711
04:47:21,510 --> 04:47:20,240
when i was done reading it so uh

7712
04:47:22,550 --> 04:47:21,520
like frankie

7713
04:47:23,590 --> 04:47:22,560
rowe

7714
04:47:25,990 --> 04:47:23,600
frankie

7715
04:47:30,948 --> 04:47:26,000
dwyer who was the daughter

7716
04:47:33,190 --> 04:47:30,958
to uh the fire crew chief dan dwyer

7717
04:47:34,310 --> 04:47:33,200
stationed at roswell

7718
04:47:41,350 --> 04:47:34,320
and

7719
04:47:42,948 --> 04:47:41,360
a piece of the memory material

7720
04:47:45,270 --> 04:47:42,958
and the fact that

7721
04:47:48,470 --> 04:47:45,280
we can document the fact that she had

7722
04:47:50,948 --> 04:47:48,480
her tonsils taken out days before

7723
04:47:52,470 --> 04:47:50,958
she had a dental appointment that very

7724
04:47:54,788 --> 04:47:52,480
afternoon

7725
04:47:56,948 --> 04:47:54,798
she stopped at the firehouse

7726
04:47:59,990 --> 04:47:56,958
to visit with her dad

7727
04:48:03,270 --> 04:48:00,000
her dad wasn't there because he and

7728
04:48:07,030 --> 04:48:03,280
another fireman by the name of ed reeves

7729
04:48:08,788 --> 04:48:07,040
were north of town at the crash site

7730
04:48:11,430 --> 04:48:08,798
they drove out one of their own personal

7731
04:48:14,070 --> 04:48:11,440
vehicles to go check out all this talk

7732
04:48:16,628 --> 04:48:14,080
about this crash you know that took

7733
04:48:19,350 --> 04:48:16,638
place just north of town

7734
04:48:20,948 --> 04:48:19,360
and frankie's at the firehouse and who

7735
04:48:24,310 --> 04:48:20,958
should walk in but a state police

7736
04:48:26,150 --> 04:48:24,320
officer by the name of robert scroggins

7737
04:48:27,430 --> 04:48:26,160
whose district happened to be lincoln

7738
04:48:32,550 --> 04:48:27,440
county

7739
04:48:37,990 --> 04:48:35,350
back brazil the ranch foreman who first

7740
04:48:39,350 --> 04:48:38,000
reported the crash when he went to the

7741
04:48:41,750 --> 04:48:39,360
sheriff's office

7742
04:48:45,430 --> 04:48:41,760
sheriff george wilcox who then in turn

7743
04:48:46,470 --> 04:48:45,440
reported it to the roswell army airfield

7744
04:48:48,230 --> 04:48:46,480
now

7745
04:48:51,590 --> 04:48:48,240
this is something else i would challenge

7746
04:48:57,430 --> 04:48:55,110
it's a fourth of july weekend

7747
04:48:59,910 --> 04:48:57,440
most of the men are either at home with

7748
04:49:01,110 --> 04:48:59,920
their families they're they're away on

7749
04:49:04,948 --> 04:49:01,120
leave

7750
04:49:09,750 --> 04:49:07,350
the rancher comes into town on sunday

7751
04:49:13,910 --> 04:49:09,760
july 6th

7752
04:49:18,868 --> 04:49:16,868
it's important enough that when the

7753
04:49:20,070 --> 04:49:18,878
intelligence the lead intelligence

7754
04:49:22,868 --> 04:49:20,080
officer

7755
04:49:26,390 --> 04:49:22,878
major jesse marcel and because he's with

7756
04:49:28,868 --> 04:49:26,400
the 509th bomb group

7757
04:49:29,990 --> 04:49:28,878
it's the first atomic bomb squadron in

7758
04:49:32,150 --> 04:49:30,000
the world

7759
04:49:33,590 --> 04:49:32,160
the elite within the military at that

7760
04:49:36,628 --> 04:49:33,600
time

7761
04:49:39,350 --> 04:49:36,638
the best officer is the best pilots the

7762
04:49:40,868 --> 04:49:39,360
best crewmen the best doctors the best

7763
04:49:43,430 --> 04:49:40,878
nurses

7764
04:49:46,708 --> 04:49:43,440
it was a composite unit

7765
04:49:48,470 --> 04:49:46,718
they selected the best from whatever

7766
04:49:49,590 --> 04:49:48,480
particular branch you happen to be in at

7767
04:49:50,708 --> 04:49:49,600
that time

7768
04:49:53,030 --> 04:49:50,718
and they were going to be part of the

7769
04:49:55,510 --> 04:49:53,040
first atomic bomb squadron

7770
04:49:57,750 --> 04:49:55,520
if you swept the broom on that base back

7771
04:49:59,350 --> 04:49:57,760
in 1947 was because you were the best

7772
04:50:01,990 --> 04:49:59,360
broom sweeper yeah i was gonna say they

7773
04:50:03,270 --> 04:50:02,000
probably had the best janitors too yeah

7774
04:50:05,350 --> 04:50:03,280
because you all had top security

7775
04:50:08,070 --> 04:50:05,360
clearances everyone on that base had a

7776
04:50:09,510 --> 04:50:08,080
top security clearance

7777
04:50:12,230 --> 04:50:09,520
so

7778
04:50:14,628 --> 04:50:12,240
this rancher brings in this wreckage the

7779
04:50:17,830 --> 04:50:14,638
sheriff calls up and says you know i

7780
04:50:19,270 --> 04:50:17,840
have all this strange material down here

7781
04:50:21,990 --> 04:50:19,280
you know this rancher brought in from

7782
04:50:24,948 --> 04:50:22,000
some debris field some crash site up in

7783
04:50:25,750 --> 04:50:24,958
lincoln county it's not our jurisdiction

7784
04:50:27,270 --> 04:50:25,760
but

7785
04:50:28,708 --> 04:50:27,280
you know what do you guys know about

7786
04:50:31,270 --> 04:50:28,718
this you need to know that something

7787
04:50:34,948 --> 04:50:31,280
crashed out there

7788
04:50:37,190 --> 04:50:34,958
well it's important enough

7789
04:50:39,510 --> 04:50:37,200
for what we

7790
04:50:42,390 --> 04:50:39,520
will remain convinced

7791
04:50:44,628 --> 04:50:42,400
is the actual reason

7792
04:50:46,628 --> 04:50:44,638
because it wasn't a weather balloon or

7793
04:50:48,948 --> 04:50:46,638
an aircraft or anything else

7794
04:50:50,470 --> 04:50:48,958
recognizable

7795
04:50:51,910 --> 04:50:50,480
the fact that they alert the base

7796
04:50:53,990 --> 04:50:51,920
commander

7797
04:50:56,230 --> 04:50:54,000
who's at his home

7798
04:50:59,110 --> 04:50:56,240
it's important enough that they disturb

7799
04:51:02,150 --> 04:50:59,120
him on a holiday weekend

7800
04:51:05,350 --> 04:51:02,160
to show him this wreckage

7801
04:51:08,150 --> 04:51:05,360
and it's important enough for him that

7802
04:51:09,750 --> 04:51:08,160
he doesn't just send a couple of low

7803
04:51:11,990 --> 04:51:09,760
rank grunts

7804
04:51:15,830 --> 04:51:12,000
a couple of enlisted men just go check

7805
04:51:18,470 --> 04:51:15,840
it out see what you find no he sends out

7806
04:51:21,830 --> 04:51:18,480
his head of intelligence and he sends

7807
04:51:24,628 --> 04:51:21,840
out his head of counter intelligence

7808
04:51:27,670 --> 04:51:24,638
in the event of something foreign

7809
04:51:29,910 --> 04:51:27,680
because nobody can identify this

7810
04:51:31,670 --> 04:51:29,920
wreckage i defy

7811
04:51:33,990 --> 04:51:31,680
any skeptic

7812
04:51:36,150 --> 04:51:34,000
to demonstrate why they would have sent

7813
04:51:38,150 --> 04:51:36,160
out the counterintelligence

7814
04:51:40,390 --> 04:51:38,160
lead officer

7815
04:51:43,030 --> 04:51:40,400
for no other reason for the fact that

7816
04:51:44,788 --> 04:51:43,040
except for the fact that if unless it

7817
04:51:46,868 --> 04:51:44,798
was a foreign design and they needed

7818
04:51:49,190 --> 04:51:46,878
someone who would recognize that

7819
04:51:51,830 --> 04:51:49,200
would be able to identify that

7820
04:51:53,190 --> 04:51:51,840
no other reason to send him out there

7821
04:51:55,270 --> 04:51:53,200
but yet he was

7822
04:51:57,990 --> 04:51:55,280
yeah he may be familiar with russian or

7823
04:51:59,350 --> 04:51:58,000
german or foreign aircraft right and of

7824
04:52:01,190 --> 04:51:59,360
course

7825
04:52:02,550 --> 04:52:01,200
a regular intelligence officer exactly

7826
04:52:05,350 --> 04:52:02,560
and the head of counterintelligence

7827
04:52:07,750 --> 04:52:05,360
captain sheridan cabot he even admitted

7828
04:52:11,030 --> 04:52:07,760
to the air force colonel richard weaver

7829
04:52:12,708 --> 04:52:11,040
that he was sent out there he was out

7830
04:52:14,948 --> 04:52:12,718
there

7831
04:52:16,470 --> 04:52:14,958
marcel identified him for being out

7832
04:52:18,470 --> 04:52:16,480
there

7833
04:52:21,830 --> 04:52:18,480
bill uh sorry master sergeant louis

7834
04:52:24,708 --> 04:52:21,840
rickett who was cabot subordinate

7835
04:52:27,110 --> 04:52:24,718
said that cabot was out there the point

7836
04:52:29,430 --> 04:52:27,120
being you sent out

7837
04:52:32,708 --> 04:52:29,440
some of your highest ranking officers

7838
04:52:35,910 --> 04:52:32,718
because again you're demonstrating how

7839
04:52:39,030 --> 04:52:35,920
important this potentially was in their

7840
04:52:41,270 --> 04:52:39,040
eyes at that time and it wasn't just

7841
04:52:43,030 --> 04:52:41,280
driving out of town a few miles and

7842
04:52:45,270 --> 04:52:43,040
checking it out

7843
04:52:46,310 --> 04:52:45,280
it was at that time a four hour drive

7844
04:52:48,310 --> 04:52:46,320
one way

7845
04:52:50,390 --> 04:52:48,320
and by the time they got out there it

7846
04:52:52,868 --> 04:52:50,400
was dusk they couldn't even they had to

7847
04:52:54,948 --> 04:52:52,878
spend the night in that old heinz house

7848
04:52:57,510 --> 04:52:54,958
in that one room shack and it was until

7849
04:52:58,868 --> 04:52:57,520
the next morning

7850
04:53:01,430 --> 04:52:58,878
and then they spend the better part of

7851
04:53:04,070 --> 04:53:01,440
the day filling up the two vehicles

7852
04:53:06,788 --> 04:53:04,080
and it's important enough that marcel on

7853
04:53:09,830 --> 04:53:06,798
his way back to the base his home

7854
04:53:12,868 --> 04:53:09,840
outside of within the roswell city

7855
04:53:15,190 --> 04:53:12,878
proper limits at that time is 10 miles

7856
04:53:19,750 --> 04:53:15,200
away from the base

7857
04:53:20,470 --> 04:53:19,760
he wakes up his wife rihanna

7858
04:53:23,270 --> 04:53:20,480
and

7859
04:53:25,590 --> 04:53:23,280
his son jesse jr

7860
04:53:27,430 --> 04:53:25,600
at two o'clock in the morning takes them

7861
04:53:29,670 --> 04:53:27,440
to the kitchen and he's got all this

7862
04:53:32,150 --> 04:53:29,680
wreckage scattered on the floor

7863
04:53:33,510 --> 04:53:32,160
because he wanted to show them what he

7864
04:53:35,030 --> 04:53:33,520
knew and i doubt he would have showed

7865
04:53:36,948 --> 04:53:35,040
them the weather balloon or even

7866
04:53:38,788 --> 04:53:36,958
bothered to stop if it was definitely a

7867
04:53:40,390 --> 04:53:38,798
weather balloon that's another point of

7868
04:53:42,788 --> 04:53:40,400
the story that's always bothered now

7869
04:53:45,510 --> 04:53:42,798
let's even quickly go back to even the

7870
04:53:47,190 --> 04:53:45,520
ranch itself when kevin and i were out

7871
04:53:50,948 --> 04:53:47,200
there the first time

7872
04:53:54,628 --> 04:53:50,958
and we went to the actual uh ranch

7873
04:53:56,390 --> 04:53:54,638
uh headquarters the main ranch house

7874
04:53:58,550 --> 04:53:56,400
and there was a

7875
04:54:00,390 --> 04:53:58,560
water tank

7876
04:54:03,350 --> 04:54:00,400
just full of water

7877
04:54:04,708 --> 04:54:03,360
but you could look over the side

7878
04:54:07,190 --> 04:54:04,718
and there were

7879
04:54:11,830 --> 04:54:07,200
just big chunks of rubber

7880
04:54:13,670 --> 04:54:11,840
and foil and other debris floating

7881
04:54:15,350 --> 04:54:13,680
throughout this water

7882
04:54:20,070 --> 04:54:15,360
tank

7883
04:54:21,270 --> 04:54:20,080
diameter as i recall it's no longer

7884
04:54:23,110 --> 04:54:21,280
there

7885
04:54:26,310 --> 04:54:23,120
and when we asked the ranch foreman his

7886
04:54:27,190 --> 04:54:26,320
name was jeff wells at that time

7887
04:54:28,550 --> 04:54:27,200
you know

7888
04:54:31,030 --> 04:54:28,560
what is all this

7889
04:54:33,350 --> 04:54:31,040
and he goes oh it's all the balloons

7890
04:54:37,910 --> 04:54:33,360
that have been recovered here

7891
04:54:41,430 --> 04:54:39,270
that's interesting

7892
04:54:45,110 --> 04:54:41,440
because they weren't burning they

7893
04:54:47,430 --> 04:54:45,120
weren't because it was rubber oil the

7894
04:54:49,510 --> 04:54:47,440
foil didn't burn and that type of thing

7895
04:54:51,670 --> 04:54:49,520
so they just tossed them in so the point

7896
04:54:53,430 --> 04:54:51,680
is they knew they were weather balloons

7897
04:54:55,350 --> 04:54:53,440
even the ranchers knew what they were

7898
04:54:57,190 --> 04:54:55,360
dealing with and they were typically

7899
04:54:59,190 --> 04:54:57,200
tagged that

7900
04:55:00,868 --> 04:54:59,200
they were offering a five dollar reward

7901
04:55:03,030 --> 04:55:00,878
for the instrument box

7902
04:55:04,868 --> 04:55:03,040
if there was an instrument uh package of

7903
04:55:06,230 --> 04:55:04,878
any sort it's cheaper than making

7904
04:55:08,310 --> 04:55:06,240
another one right

7905
04:55:10,070 --> 04:55:08,320
so they would turn in the instrument box

7906
04:55:11,510 --> 04:55:10,080
and they'd collect five ten dollars that

7907
04:55:13,670 --> 04:55:11,520
type of thing well what should we do

7908
04:55:15,750 --> 04:55:13,680
with the balloon ah trash it you know we

7909
04:55:18,150 --> 04:55:15,760
don't need it you know we can't re

7910
04:55:20,708 --> 04:55:18,160
reassemble and fly it again anyway

7911
04:55:21,910 --> 04:55:20,718
so there was this water tank at the very

7912
04:55:22,628 --> 04:55:21,920
ranch

7913
04:55:24,628 --> 04:55:22,638
just

7914
04:55:27,190 --> 04:55:24,638
overflowing with all the balloons have

7915
04:55:29,270 --> 04:55:27,200
been recovered through the decades

7916
04:55:32,310 --> 04:55:29,280
so

7917
04:55:36,868 --> 04:55:32,320
rancher

7918
04:55:37,990 --> 04:55:36,878
police officer

7919
04:55:39,510 --> 04:55:38,000
firemen

7920
04:55:42,230 --> 04:55:39,520
air fire

7921
04:55:44,310 --> 04:55:42,240
sheriff the deputies and then the base

7922
04:55:46,470 --> 04:55:44,320
commander and his two leading

7923
04:55:49,910 --> 04:55:46,480
intelligence officers nobody can

7924
04:55:51,990 --> 04:55:49,920
identify this common off-the-shelf

7925
04:55:55,110 --> 04:55:52,000
material i don't care if you want to

7926
04:55:58,070 --> 04:55:55,120
claim it's mobile or this radio sound

7927
04:56:00,868 --> 04:55:58,080
balloon which was their original second

7928
04:56:02,550 --> 04:56:00,878
explanation it's still nothing more than

7929
04:56:04,310 --> 04:56:02,560
neoprene rubber

7930
04:56:05,750 --> 04:56:04,320
reflective foil

7931
04:56:06,868 --> 04:56:05,760
wooden sticks

7932
04:56:09,350 --> 04:56:06,878
string

7933
04:56:10,788 --> 04:56:09,360
and tape yeah

7934
04:56:13,430 --> 04:56:10,798
i would be able to identify that's

7935
04:56:14,868 --> 04:56:13,440
that's this has always bothered me when

7936
04:56:16,628 --> 04:56:14,878
i talked to a skeptic and they said well

7937
04:56:19,030 --> 04:56:16,638
you know the government it was a mobile

7938
04:56:20,628 --> 04:56:19,040
balloon they admitted it later well okay

7939
04:56:22,310 --> 04:56:20,638
but like all these air force

7940
04:56:23,830 --> 04:56:22,320
intelligence people would know a weather

7941
04:56:25,350 --> 04:56:23,840
balloon and and i didn't even think

7942
04:56:27,030 --> 04:56:25,360
about you're right the ranchers would be

7943
04:56:29,110 --> 04:56:27,040
familiar with it the firemen would have

7944
04:56:31,910 --> 04:56:29,120
seen these things before i wanted to

7945
04:56:34,070 --> 04:56:31,920
talk for a bit about where both if you

7946
04:56:36,470 --> 04:56:34,080
believe that that both material and

7947
04:56:38,550 --> 04:56:36,480
bodies and maybe even a living living

7948
04:56:40,230 --> 04:56:38,560
alien were recovered where they went to

7949
04:56:41,910 --> 04:56:40,240
because we had an alien scientist who's

7950
04:56:43,110 --> 04:56:41,920
a physicist and very interested in the

7951
04:56:45,270 --> 04:56:43,120
materials

7952
04:56:46,708 --> 04:56:45,280
and he did a lot of uh

7953
04:56:48,788 --> 04:56:46,718
he showed me a lot of research and

7954
04:56:50,948 --> 04:56:48,798
things that i've never seen about where

7955
04:56:52,788 --> 04:56:50,958
the material may have went in the form

7956
04:56:54,948 --> 04:56:52,798
of battelle institute and some other

7957
04:56:57,030 --> 04:56:54,958
places because that's beyond foia where

7958
04:56:59,670 --> 04:56:57,040
do you believe the material went and

7959
04:57:02,470 --> 04:56:59,680
ultimately ended up and the bodies are

7960
04:57:04,788 --> 04:57:02,480
aliens well we always be important

7961
04:57:06,948 --> 04:57:04,798
we always need to keep in mind that the

7962
04:57:09,590 --> 04:57:06,958
military slash government

7963
04:57:11,350 --> 04:57:09,600
doesn't manufacture anything

7964
04:57:13,030 --> 04:57:11,360
everything is contracted out into the

7965
04:57:15,750 --> 04:57:13,040
private sector

7966
04:57:17,750 --> 04:57:15,760
every ship every plane every tank every

7967
04:57:19,590 --> 04:57:17,760
rifle you name it that's why it's called

7968
04:57:20,948 --> 04:57:19,600
the military industrial complex because

7969
04:57:22,470 --> 04:57:20,958
it's complicated

7970
04:57:25,270 --> 04:57:22,480
which

7971
04:57:27,110 --> 04:57:25,280
very aptly warned us about because when

7972
04:57:31,350 --> 04:57:27,120
i'm asked today

7973
04:57:32,708 --> 04:57:31,360
don where do you believe the material is

7974
04:57:35,030 --> 04:57:32,718
i say

7975
04:57:37,270 --> 04:57:35,040
the military no longer has it the

7976
04:57:39,830 --> 04:57:37,280
government no longer has it

7977
04:57:42,310 --> 04:57:39,840
it is all in private

7978
04:57:44,390 --> 04:57:42,320
possession today which happens to be

7979
04:57:45,510 --> 04:57:44,400
beyond foia request so that's convenient

7980
04:57:47,430 --> 04:57:45,520
exactly

7981
04:57:49,670 --> 04:57:47,440
and so you're talking about you

7982
04:57:51,430 --> 04:57:49,680
mentioned patel institute

7983
04:57:52,628 --> 04:57:51,440
you're talking about rand corporation

7984
04:57:54,150 --> 04:57:52,638
you're talking about general electric

7985
04:57:55,430 --> 04:57:54,160
you're talking about hughes aircraft

7986
04:57:57,510 --> 04:57:55,440
you're talking about boeing you're

7987
04:57:58,550 --> 04:57:57,520
talking about bureau standards we've had

7988
04:58:00,230 --> 04:57:58,560
firsthand

7989
04:58:02,230 --> 04:58:00,240
yeah

7990
04:58:03,670 --> 04:58:02,240
at all of these locations

7991
04:58:05,190 --> 04:58:03,680
and so

7992
04:58:08,708 --> 04:58:05,200
isn't it interesting that even today

7993
04:58:10,310 --> 04:58:08,718
when we hear about uh the government

7994
04:58:13,590 --> 04:58:10,320
being in possession

7995
04:58:15,030 --> 04:58:13,600
of a physical material but where is it

7996
04:58:17,510 --> 04:58:15,040
and they point like the bigelow

7997
04:58:18,470 --> 04:58:17,520
aerospace in in las vegas that type of

7998
04:58:21,030 --> 04:58:18,480
thing

7999
04:58:22,868 --> 04:58:21,040
they still point to the private sector

8000
04:58:25,910 --> 04:58:22,878
well we know of it but we gave it to

8001
04:58:27,590 --> 04:58:25,920
them for testing and it was a case of

8002
04:58:29,430 --> 04:58:27,600
well give us another six months and

8003
04:58:32,470 --> 04:58:29,440
we'll give you some answers oh we need

8004
04:58:34,230 --> 04:58:32,480
another year and you know eventually we

8005
04:58:35,910 --> 04:58:34,240
don't know what you're talking about we

8006
04:58:38,310 --> 04:58:35,920
we have this you turn this over to us

8007
04:58:39,990 --> 04:58:38,320
and then because you know the attrition

8008
04:58:43,110 --> 04:58:40,000
you know rate you know

8009
04:58:46,230 --> 04:58:43,120
of things changing hands and different

8010
04:58:47,990 --> 04:58:46,240
people come into the scenario and before

8011
04:58:50,390 --> 04:58:48,000
you know it things slip between the

8012
04:58:51,510 --> 04:58:50,400
cracks and just like that

8013
04:58:54,708 --> 04:58:51,520
they're gone

8014
04:58:56,868 --> 04:58:54,718
nobody knows where part a part b and so

8015
04:58:59,510 --> 04:58:56,878
on or even located any longer there's no

8016
04:59:00,948 --> 04:58:59,520
paper trail so to speak well didn't know

8017
04:59:02,470 --> 04:59:00,958
all of the when they did that big

8018
04:59:04,310 --> 04:59:02,480
roswell the air force did that final

8019
04:59:06,628 --> 04:59:04,320
roswell case closed investigation they

8020
04:59:08,708 --> 04:59:06,638
found that all of their paperwork

8021
04:59:10,470 --> 04:59:08,718
was somehow disappeared

8022
04:59:13,350 --> 04:59:10,480
all the paperwork

8023
04:59:15,110 --> 04:59:13,360
for the roswell actual crash event

8024
04:59:17,510 --> 04:59:15,120
that should have been

8025
04:59:19,750 --> 04:59:17,520
archived and kept all these years is

8026
04:59:22,788 --> 04:59:19,760
just conveniently gone where most of it

8027
04:59:24,868 --> 04:59:22,798
is or or so we're told yeah

8028
04:59:27,590 --> 04:59:24,878
and the thought that

8029
04:59:28,868 --> 04:59:27,600
first of all the most sensitive

8030
04:59:31,110 --> 04:59:28,878
most

8031
04:59:32,628 --> 04:59:31,120
top secret base in the world at that

8032
04:59:35,190 --> 04:59:32,638
time

8033
04:59:38,470 --> 04:59:35,200
the roswell army airfield first atomic

8034
04:59:41,510 --> 04:59:38,480
bomb base in the world

8035
04:59:42,708 --> 04:59:41,520
that their records would somehow have

8036
04:59:44,230 --> 04:59:42,718
been

8037
04:59:46,868 --> 04:59:44,240
destroyed

8038
04:59:48,788 --> 04:59:46,878
whether there was a ufo crash or not the

8039
04:59:51,590 --> 04:59:48,798
very thought that

8040
04:59:53,830 --> 04:59:51,600
you're talking about the most crucial

8041
04:59:56,550 --> 04:59:53,840
military facility in the world and

8042
04:59:58,070 --> 04:59:56,560
somehow the records all get destroyed

8043
05:00:00,628 --> 04:59:58,080
how convenient

8044
05:00:02,230 --> 05:00:00,638
and at the time of the flying saucer

8045
05:00:05,750 --> 05:00:02,240
story

8046
05:00:08,390 --> 05:00:05,760
you know the enola gay and the first

8047
05:00:10,550 --> 05:00:08,400
atomic bomb drop and everything all

8048
05:00:12,150 --> 05:00:10,560
that all took place at the base so you

8049
05:00:14,310 --> 05:00:12,160
would think just for history's sake they

8050
05:00:16,470 --> 05:00:14,320
should have kept everything of course of

8051
05:00:20,470 --> 05:00:16,480
course and in all the game and then the

8052
05:00:22,708 --> 05:00:20,480
second b-29 boxcar or even hangard

8053
05:00:25,190 --> 05:00:22,718
at roswell

8054
05:00:27,110 --> 05:00:25,200
after 1945.

8055
05:00:29,110 --> 05:00:27,120
so

8056
05:00:30,628 --> 05:00:29,120
the the thought that i know and that's

8057
05:00:32,868 --> 05:00:30,638
how the general accounting office when

8058
05:00:34,390 --> 05:00:32,878
they accepted that explanation when they

8059
05:00:36,230 --> 05:00:34,400
did the document search through all the

8060
05:00:38,788 --> 05:00:36,240
branches of the military as well as

8061
05:00:41,110 --> 05:00:38,798
departments of intelligence

8062
05:00:43,910 --> 05:00:41,120
they they had to accept that they came

8063
05:00:45,750 --> 05:00:43,920
up empty-handed but i for one don't

8064
05:00:48,230 --> 05:00:45,760
believe that is the case i don't believe

8065
05:00:50,470 --> 05:00:48,240
that the records were destroyed uh as

8066
05:00:52,470 --> 05:00:50,480
we've been able to name for example all

8067
05:00:53,750 --> 05:00:52,480
the photographers that were brought into

8068
05:00:54,788 --> 05:00:53,760
roswell

8069
05:00:57,430 --> 05:00:54,798
that

8070
05:01:00,830 --> 05:00:57,440
you know kept a storyboard record of

8071
05:01:03,270 --> 05:01:00,840
just every second of that recovery

8072
05:01:06,230 --> 05:01:03,280
operation all the photographs all the

8073
05:01:07,910 --> 05:01:06,240
film all the testimonies that would have

8074
05:01:09,910 --> 05:01:07,920
been that's something else that alien

8075
05:01:12,310 --> 05:01:09,920
scientists found that i missed and in

8076
05:01:14,390 --> 05:01:12,320
the fact that they didn't use the base

8077
05:01:17,190 --> 05:01:14,400
uh photographers they brought in else

8078
05:01:19,030 --> 05:01:17,200
why would you bring in fly in outside

8079
05:01:20,868 --> 05:01:19,040
photographers to photograph weather

8080
05:01:22,788 --> 05:01:20,878
balloons why would you bring in outside

8081
05:01:25,990 --> 05:01:22,798
doctors outside nurses why would you

8082
05:01:27,750 --> 05:01:26,000
bring it outside mp units

8083
05:01:31,430 --> 05:01:27,760
why would you bring in as far as all

8084
05:01:33,590 --> 05:01:31,440
these outside officers that came in and

8085
05:01:35,270 --> 05:01:33,600
you know stephen we when we were doing

8086
05:01:36,070 --> 05:01:35,280
our initial

8087
05:01:37,510 --> 05:01:36,080
uh

8088
05:01:40,390 --> 05:01:37,520
searches

8089
05:01:43,190 --> 05:01:40,400
for crucial witnesses and we focused

8090
05:01:45,830 --> 05:01:43,200
like on the 1395th which was the mp

8091
05:01:48,150 --> 05:01:45,840
squadron at the base of 47 thinking that

8092
05:01:49,510 --> 05:01:48,160
well certainly all the base security

8093
05:01:51,750 --> 05:01:49,520
would have been involved whether they

8094
05:01:54,628 --> 05:01:51,760
were cordoning off as far as the

8095
05:01:56,390 --> 05:01:54,638
the outside roads or the perimeter of

8096
05:01:57,990 --> 05:01:56,400
the site itself

8097
05:01:59,910 --> 05:01:58,000
and uh the

8098
05:02:02,550 --> 05:01:59,920
transportation the vehicles coming in

8099
05:02:04,628 --> 05:02:02,560
and out and the security on the base

8100
05:02:07,430 --> 05:02:04,638
well and then we were finding these

8101
05:02:10,470 --> 05:02:07,440
people and and learning that

8102
05:02:12,150 --> 05:02:10,480
most of them were never involved

8103
05:02:15,350 --> 05:02:12,160
and finding that there were units that

8104
05:02:16,628 --> 05:02:15,360
came in from other bases yeah that makes

8105
05:02:18,628 --> 05:02:16,638
no sense

8106
05:02:21,270 --> 05:02:18,638
well but then it did become it did make

8107
05:02:22,948 --> 05:02:21,280
sense for this reason

8108
05:02:25,750 --> 05:02:22,958
because it was something that again is

8109
05:02:26,868 --> 05:02:25,760
standard procedure within the military

8110
05:02:29,590 --> 05:02:26,878
yeah i was going to ask do you think

8111
05:02:30,708 --> 05:02:29,600
this was done for compartmentalization

8112
05:02:32,868 --> 05:02:30,718
purposes

8113
05:02:35,430 --> 05:02:32,878
yeah exactly because when the dust

8114
05:02:41,750 --> 05:02:39,110
you have 95 of the personnel roswell who

8115
05:02:43,750 --> 05:02:41,760
have been shut out they have been banned

8116
05:02:45,910 --> 05:02:43,760
from any involvement they've been told

8117
05:02:48,230 --> 05:02:45,920
to stay out of it they've been told

8118
05:02:50,948 --> 05:02:48,240
don't report to the base hospital don't

8119
05:02:54,310 --> 05:02:50,958
report to your normal sentry duty at

8120
05:02:55,990 --> 05:02:54,320
building p3 building 84 which all the

8121
05:02:57,670 --> 05:02:56,000
wreckage and the bodies transited

8122
05:03:00,310 --> 05:02:57,680
through that type of thing

8123
05:03:03,990 --> 05:03:00,320
they were not ordered shoot the kill so

8124
05:03:05,990 --> 05:03:04,000
in case somebody actually was

8125
05:03:07,590 --> 05:03:06,000
fatally wounded

8126
05:03:09,750 --> 05:03:07,600
that they'd have to live with that

8127
05:03:11,750 --> 05:03:09,760
they'd have to fraternize and still

8128
05:03:12,708 --> 05:03:11,760
coexist with the same person now on the

8129
05:03:14,788 --> 05:03:12,718
base

8130
05:03:16,948 --> 05:03:14,798
when you have outside people that come

8131
05:03:18,788 --> 05:03:16,958
in and take charge

8132
05:03:21,430 --> 05:03:18,798
and after

8133
05:03:23,670 --> 05:03:21,440
everything is quiet

8134
05:03:26,230 --> 05:03:23,680
there is nobody to talk to

8135
05:03:28,150 --> 05:03:26,240
nobody to exchange notes with

8136
05:03:30,628 --> 05:03:28,160
because they've all gone home they've

8137
05:03:32,550 --> 05:03:30,638
all split up and they don't have anyone

8138
05:03:34,788 --> 05:03:32,560
to talk to once they return back to

8139
05:03:36,868 --> 05:03:34,798
their normal assignments

8140
05:03:39,430 --> 05:03:36,878
so it's it's really when you think about

8141
05:03:41,830 --> 05:03:39,440
quite you know ingenious

8142
05:03:43,990 --> 05:03:41,840
because it's the compartmentalization

8143
05:03:46,628 --> 05:03:44,000
it's the way of shutting down all the

8144
05:03:51,190 --> 05:03:46,638
buzz all the rumors it's the way of

8145
05:03:53,990 --> 05:03:51,200
preventing this minutia of talk

8146
05:03:56,310 --> 05:03:54,000
except you know uh evolving into the

8147
05:03:59,110 --> 05:03:56,320
point that you lose control of it

8148
05:04:02,150 --> 05:03:59,120
and i say i'm one mp that's assigned

8149
05:04:05,270 --> 05:04:02,160
from one barrack

8150
05:04:07,270 --> 05:04:05,280
and i go back i report you know i i i

8151
05:04:10,628 --> 05:04:07,280
finish my line of duty for the day and i

8152
05:04:12,470 --> 05:04:10,638
go back i have nobody to talk to

8153
05:04:14,948 --> 05:04:12,480
who's who's gonna corroborate what i

8154
05:04:17,590 --> 05:04:14,958
just experienced

8155
05:04:20,550 --> 05:04:17,600
but if the whole unit was sent in just

8156
05:04:22,310 --> 05:04:20,560
imagine you got 50 men all describing

8157
05:04:24,390 --> 05:04:22,320
the same thing

8158
05:04:26,788 --> 05:04:24,400
you know talking sharing you know their

8159
05:04:28,628 --> 05:04:26,798
perspectives their uh you know their

8160
05:04:31,430 --> 05:04:28,638
comprehension of what they had just

8161
05:04:32,150 --> 05:04:31,440
experienced that type of thing so it is

8162
05:04:38,470 --> 05:04:32,160
the

8163
05:04:39,910 --> 05:04:38,480
military and that's why secrets are able

8164
05:04:41,350 --> 05:04:39,920
to be kept

8165
05:04:42,948 --> 05:04:41,360
because

8166
05:04:44,788 --> 05:04:42,958
it's the same reason they don't tell the

8167
05:04:46,788 --> 05:04:44,798
president anything more than they have

8168
05:04:48,948 --> 05:04:46,798
to

8169
05:04:51,110 --> 05:04:48,958
sure because he's part of that he's also

8170
05:04:53,430 --> 05:04:51,120
part of that compartmentalization

8171
05:04:55,990 --> 05:04:53,440
the less the president knows the safer

8172
05:04:57,750 --> 05:04:56,000
he is you have possible deniability

8173
05:04:59,590 --> 05:04:57,760
sometimes look at the wrong contract

8174
05:05:01,910 --> 05:04:59,600
yeah he just said well my advisors

8175
05:05:03,830 --> 05:05:01,920
didn't tell me they were doing that so

8176
05:05:05,910 --> 05:05:03,840
i'm not responsible

8177
05:05:08,390 --> 05:05:05,920
they want to get to the to the alien

8178
05:05:11,670 --> 05:05:08,400
bodies which is always the big

8179
05:05:13,510 --> 05:05:11,680
crazy part of the story is this this

8180
05:05:16,150 --> 05:05:13,520
other crash site and recovered bodies

8181
05:05:17,990 --> 05:05:16,160
and maybe even a live alien where do you

8182
05:05:21,030 --> 05:05:18,000
believe they would have taken

8183
05:05:22,708 --> 05:05:21,040
both the live alien and and uh and the

8184
05:05:25,990 --> 05:05:22,718
cadavers

8185
05:05:27,110 --> 05:05:26,000
we have uh we've had first 10 witnesses

8186
05:05:29,430 --> 05:05:27,120
not only

8187
05:05:31,590 --> 05:05:29,440
photographers like frederick benthal

8188
05:05:32,868 --> 05:05:31,600
that was brought in to take pictures of

8189
05:05:35,590 --> 05:05:32,878
the bodies

8190
05:05:38,948 --> 05:05:35,600
out at the actual uh crash site

8191
05:05:40,150 --> 05:05:38,958
we've had first 10 witnesses at hangar

8192
05:05:42,150 --> 05:05:40,160
p3

8193
05:05:43,670 --> 05:05:42,160
within that b29 hangar and we've had

8194
05:05:45,430 --> 05:05:43,680
first-time witnesses at the base

8195
05:05:47,030 --> 05:05:45,440
hospital

8196
05:05:49,910 --> 05:05:47,040
and also

8197
05:05:53,910 --> 05:05:49,920
firsthand as well as second-hand family

8198
05:05:55,110 --> 05:05:53,920
members again describing the survivor

8199
05:05:58,470 --> 05:05:55,120
now

8200
05:06:01,270 --> 05:05:58,480
uh lieutenant colonel marion magruder

8201
05:06:03,510 --> 05:06:01,280
was a triple ace world war ii

8202
05:06:05,990 --> 05:06:03,520
and he was part of the war college class

8203
05:06:09,750 --> 05:06:06,000
of 4748

8204
05:06:12,070 --> 05:06:09,760
and he would tell his five sons

8205
05:06:15,670 --> 05:06:12,080
independently

8206
05:06:17,750 --> 05:06:15,680
before he died in 1995

8207
05:06:19,350 --> 05:06:17,760
that they were assigned the right

8208
05:06:21,350 --> 05:06:19,360
patterson

8209
05:06:22,830 --> 05:06:21,360
at a certain point

8210
05:06:26,070 --> 05:06:22,840
and they were shown

8211
05:06:28,310 --> 05:06:26,080
wreckage uh the cl the war college

8212
05:06:30,310 --> 05:06:28,320
his picture class they were shown some

8213
05:06:32,628 --> 05:06:30,320
of the wreckage from roswell

8214
05:06:35,270 --> 05:06:32,638
they were able to handle it he described

8215
05:06:36,948 --> 05:06:35,280
the exact same properties that

8216
05:06:39,190 --> 05:06:36,958
you know many of our other witnesses the

8217
05:06:40,230 --> 05:06:39,200
memory the fiber optics that type of

8218
05:06:41,590 --> 05:06:40,240
thing

8219
05:06:43,670 --> 05:06:41,600
and then they were taken into another

8220
05:06:46,070 --> 05:06:43,680
room and the lights came on and behind

8221
05:06:49,270 --> 05:06:46,080
the glass wall

8222
05:06:50,550 --> 05:06:49,280
sat what clearly was

8223
05:06:52,550 --> 05:06:50,560
something

8224
05:06:53,750 --> 05:06:52,560
not human

8225
05:06:56,550 --> 05:06:53,760
interesting

8226
05:06:58,868 --> 05:06:56,560
and they were told it was the survivor

8227
05:07:00,310 --> 05:06:58,878
from roswell

8228
05:07:03,750 --> 05:07:00,320
he felt very

8229
05:07:07,030 --> 05:07:03,760
sympathetic towards it he felt as though

8230
05:07:08,550 --> 05:07:07,040
we were treating it like a captured

8231
05:07:10,948 --> 05:07:08,560
animal

8232
05:07:11,910 --> 05:07:10,958
in many respects

8233
05:07:14,070 --> 05:07:11,920
and

8234
05:07:16,470 --> 05:07:14,080
we were then able to document we have

8235
05:07:18,550 --> 05:07:16,480
the documents he was stationed he was

8236
05:07:21,910 --> 05:07:18,560
assigned the right patterson

8237
05:07:26,070 --> 05:07:21,920
in april of 1948

8238
05:07:28,150 --> 05:07:26,080
so in other words just 10 months later

8239
05:07:29,830 --> 05:07:28,160
yeah this is really interesting and

8240
05:07:32,708 --> 05:07:29,840
amazing to me

8241
05:07:36,948 --> 05:07:32,718
you know like that we may have had a

8242
05:07:38,390 --> 05:07:36,958
living alien in our custody you know

8243
05:07:39,990 --> 05:07:38,400
and i've heard various stories that the

8244
05:07:42,708 --> 05:07:40,000
alien sort of telepathically

8245
05:07:45,110 --> 05:07:42,718
communicated or something like that

8246
05:07:51,750 --> 05:07:45,120
yeah he knew his uh his fate you know

8247
05:07:55,510 --> 05:07:52,948
you know

8248
05:07:56,470 --> 05:07:55,520
what they would call the abduction

8249
05:07:59,270 --> 05:07:56,480
you know

8250
05:08:01,750 --> 05:07:59,280
experiences where the

8251
05:08:06,310 --> 05:08:01,760
uh abductees feel that they have

8252
05:08:09,030 --> 05:08:07,430
with uh

8253
05:08:10,070 --> 05:08:09,040
these beings

8254
05:08:11,830 --> 05:08:10,080
so

8255
05:08:13,750 --> 05:08:11,840
that it would be it would appear to be

8256
05:08:17,270 --> 05:08:13,760
consistent with what we've we've heard

8257
05:08:19,110 --> 05:08:17,280
as far as roswell with the survivor

8258
05:08:22,390 --> 05:08:19,120
that they felt that there was some type

8259
05:08:23,190 --> 05:08:22,400
of uh communication that took place

8260
05:08:25,350 --> 05:08:23,200
uh

8261
05:08:27,030 --> 05:08:25,360
telepathically

8262
05:08:29,190 --> 05:08:27,040
i don't usually go into those areas

8263
05:08:30,708 --> 05:08:29,200
because again that's so subjective

8264
05:08:33,030 --> 05:08:30,718
yeah and it's a lot of speculation

8265
05:08:34,628 --> 05:08:33,040
sometimes too yeah

8266
05:08:37,270 --> 05:08:34,638
but why do you believe that they would

8267
05:08:40,628 --> 05:08:37,280
have shown off the alien to these other

8268
05:08:42,230 --> 05:08:40,638
officers was because it was what purpose

8269
05:08:44,470 --> 05:08:42,240
yeah because it was the war college and

8270
05:08:46,708 --> 05:08:44,480
it was the best and brightest yeah yeah

8271
05:08:49,910 --> 05:08:46,718
and that those those classes what

8272
05:08:52,310 --> 05:08:49,920
they're being trained in specifically

8273
05:08:54,868 --> 05:08:52,320
is foreign espionage

8274
05:08:55,830 --> 05:08:54,878
they're beyond as far as our

8275
05:08:58,470 --> 05:08:55,840
regular

8276
05:09:00,070 --> 05:08:58,480
intel officers here

8277
05:09:02,310 --> 05:09:00,080
within the states

8278
05:09:04,470 --> 05:09:02,320
what the war college

8279
05:09:07,750 --> 05:09:04,480
intel officers then

8280
05:09:09,830 --> 05:09:07,760
is that they then work undercover within

8281
05:09:12,788 --> 05:09:09,840
foreign circles

8282
05:09:16,070 --> 05:09:12,798
and they secure as much information and

8283
05:09:17,510 --> 05:09:16,080
they spread as much disinformation as

8284
05:09:19,830 --> 05:09:17,520
possible

8285
05:09:21,270 --> 05:09:19,840
in other words they keep things

8286
05:09:22,470 --> 05:09:21,280
very

8287
05:09:23,910 --> 05:09:22,480
fluid

8288
05:09:29,190 --> 05:09:23,920
as to

8289
05:09:33,990 --> 05:09:31,110
i i believe that they were just they

8290
05:09:36,390 --> 05:09:34,000
wanted another opinion they wanted as

8291
05:09:38,788 --> 05:09:36,400
far as the the best and the brightest as

8292
05:09:40,550 --> 05:09:38,798
you said as you described stephen of

8293
05:09:42,390 --> 05:09:40,560
these officers

8294
05:09:43,990 --> 05:09:42,400
because it demonstrated that they were

8295
05:09:45,590 --> 05:09:44,000
again they were still looking for

8296
05:09:47,350 --> 05:09:45,600
answers they were looking there was

8297
05:09:52,310 --> 05:09:47,360
nothing in the army field manual back in

8298
05:09:55,510 --> 05:09:52,320
1947 or 48 or 1950 or 1960. how to deal

8299
05:09:59,510 --> 05:09:55,520
with this and so

8300
05:10:00,550 --> 05:09:59,520
i'm sure they they brought in a lot of

8301
05:10:01,990 --> 05:10:00,560
the

8302
05:10:03,990 --> 05:10:02,000
brightest

8303
05:10:05,750 --> 05:10:04,000
just as i could imagine that they would

8304
05:10:07,430 --> 05:10:05,760
be concerned that this was some kind of

8305
05:10:09,750 --> 05:10:07,440
a recon force

8306
05:10:12,070 --> 05:10:09,760
ahead of an invasion you know of course

8307
05:10:13,590 --> 05:10:12,080
the paranoia of the time now back to the

8308
05:10:15,830 --> 05:10:13,600
cadavers though

8309
05:10:17,350 --> 05:10:15,840
i was curious to see if you've ever been

8310
05:10:18,948 --> 05:10:17,360
given uh

8311
05:10:20,470 --> 05:10:18,958
some kind of uh

8312
05:10:22,788 --> 05:10:20,480
indication about

8313
05:10:24,788 --> 05:10:22,798
who actually was involved with any

8314
05:10:28,070 --> 05:10:24,798
autopsies or

8315
05:10:30,230 --> 05:10:28,080
or examination of the bodies and

8316
05:10:33,190 --> 05:10:30,240
you know because i would assume that for

8317
05:10:34,628 --> 05:10:33,200
any doctor or pathologist or coroner

8318
05:10:37,990 --> 05:10:34,638
that would be like

8319
05:10:39,830 --> 05:10:38,000
the greatest event in their lifetime

8320
05:10:42,230 --> 05:10:39,840
getting to uh look at

8321
05:10:44,390 --> 05:10:42,240
a body from an extraterrestrial and i

8322
05:10:45,590 --> 05:10:44,400
would imagine that something had a leak

8323
05:10:47,430 --> 05:10:45,600
from the people involved with the

8324
05:10:51,030 --> 05:10:47,440
cadavers

8325
05:10:53,190 --> 05:10:51,040
and uh the late leonard springfield

8326
05:10:55,350 --> 05:10:53,200
who

8327
05:10:58,470 --> 05:10:55,360
was a collector

8328
05:11:01,190 --> 05:10:58,480
in living in cincinnati ohio

8329
05:11:02,868 --> 05:11:01,200
he's on the opposite end of the state

8330
05:11:05,430 --> 05:11:02,878
but nonetheless

8331
05:11:06,550 --> 05:11:05,440
dayton ohio wright-patterson air force

8332
05:11:08,628 --> 05:11:06,560
base

8333
05:11:11,110 --> 05:11:08,638
he was right there

8334
05:11:12,230 --> 05:11:11,120
and so he was

8335
05:11:13,430 --> 05:11:12,240
listening

8336
05:11:15,990 --> 05:11:13,440
he had

8337
05:11:18,310 --> 05:11:16,000
that i'm aware of at least two

8338
05:11:20,788 --> 05:11:18,320
first-hand doctors

8339
05:11:22,390 --> 05:11:20,798
who described to him

8340
05:11:26,708 --> 05:11:22,400
autopsies

8341
05:11:29,430 --> 05:11:26,718
at right path right field in 1947.

8342
05:11:31,270 --> 05:11:29,440
we would only hear of

8343
05:11:34,070 --> 05:11:31,280
certain attempts and

8344
05:11:35,750 --> 05:11:34,080
the thing is at roswell at the roswell

8345
05:11:37,990 --> 05:11:35,760
base hospital

8346
05:11:40,788 --> 05:11:38,000
they didn't have the equipment they

8347
05:11:43,350 --> 05:11:40,798
didn't perform autopsies there at the

8348
05:11:45,110 --> 05:11:43,360
base they didn't have a coroner

8349
05:11:47,270 --> 05:11:45,120
in roswell

8350
05:11:48,628 --> 05:11:47,280
they really have to fly them somewhere

8351
05:11:50,868 --> 05:11:48,638
else and what better place than the

8352
05:11:52,708 --> 05:11:50,878
foreign technology division at wright

8353
05:11:54,628 --> 05:11:52,718
patterson right exactly it doesn't get

8354
05:11:56,628 --> 05:11:54,638
more foreign than extraterrestrial

8355
05:11:59,350 --> 05:11:56,638
bodies i would exactly

8356
05:12:01,190 --> 05:11:59,360
i couldn't agree more and so

8357
05:12:03,510 --> 05:12:01,200
and that too the fact that we have

8358
05:12:07,750 --> 05:12:03,520
first-hand witnesses such as general

8359
05:12:10,788 --> 05:12:07,760
arthur exxon even colonel robert friend

8360
05:12:13,190 --> 05:12:10,798
robert friend was the second

8361
05:12:15,190 --> 05:12:13,200
last director of the air force's project

8362
05:12:16,708 --> 05:12:15,200
blue book

8363
05:12:19,030 --> 05:12:16,718
and i was having dinner with him one

8364
05:12:20,390 --> 05:12:19,040
time in los angeles and he goes down i

8365
05:12:22,390 --> 05:12:20,400
don't think

8366
05:12:24,788 --> 05:12:22,400
many of you even know that i was at

8367
05:12:28,070 --> 05:12:24,798
right field in 1947

8368
05:12:30,150 --> 05:12:28,080
when that wreckage from roswell came in

8369
05:12:31,750 --> 05:12:30,160
and i went oh i went oh the mogul

8370
05:12:34,310 --> 05:12:31,760
balloon that they had a test to make

8371
05:12:36,788 --> 05:12:34,320
sure that it was really a balloon and he

8372
05:12:38,948 --> 05:12:36,798
laughed and he says you and i both know

8373
05:12:41,670 --> 05:12:38,958
that wasn't any type of balloon

8374
05:12:43,430 --> 05:12:41,680
and i go oh colonel then what was it

8375
05:12:44,948 --> 05:12:43,440
and he goes well i believe it was a

8376
05:12:47,270 --> 05:12:44,958
broken arrow

8377
05:12:50,150 --> 05:12:47,280
an errant atomic bomb

8378
05:12:53,270 --> 05:12:50,160
and i let him you know

8379
05:12:55,670 --> 05:12:53,280
talk out as far as why he believed that

8380
05:12:56,948 --> 05:12:55,680
what the colonel wasn't aware of was the

8381
05:12:58,868 --> 05:12:56,958
fact that

8382
05:13:00,948 --> 05:12:58,878
there were no broken arrows at that time

8383
05:13:03,030 --> 05:13:00,958
in fact we didn't have any bombs in our

8384
05:13:04,470 --> 05:13:03,040
arsenal

8385
05:13:06,230 --> 05:13:04,480
at that time

8386
05:13:07,670 --> 05:13:06,240
yeah i guess we were alone in world war

8387
05:13:09,350 --> 05:13:07,680
ii and we were still building up new

8388
05:13:11,350 --> 05:13:09,360
ones right that's right we were still

8389
05:13:13,510 --> 05:13:11,360
conducting as far as atomic research in

8390
05:13:15,750 --> 05:13:13,520
los alamos and new mexico

8391
05:13:17,270 --> 05:13:15,760
the bomb racks were kept

8392
05:13:18,628 --> 05:13:17,280
not in roswell

8393
05:13:21,590 --> 05:13:18,638
they were kept

8394
05:13:23,270 --> 05:13:21,600
at right field in dayton ohio

8395
05:13:25,670 --> 05:13:23,280
and even when they were conducting the

8396
05:13:28,948 --> 05:13:25,680
bomb drop exercises

8397
05:13:30,868 --> 05:13:28,958
with their b-29s in roswell they were

8398
05:13:33,830 --> 05:13:30,878
using sand barrels

8399
05:13:36,390 --> 05:13:33,840
they didn't even have the bomb casings

8400
05:13:40,628 --> 05:13:36,400
as far as the two bomb pits which were

8401
05:13:43,990 --> 05:13:40,638
at the base in 1947

8402
05:13:47,910 --> 05:13:44,000
neither one of them had a bomb

8403
05:13:49,030 --> 05:13:47,920
hidden as far as down within that silo

8404
05:13:50,788 --> 05:13:49,040
yeah and our

8405
05:13:52,948 --> 05:13:50,798
adversaries wouldn't know this it was

8406
05:13:56,708 --> 05:13:52,958
just a deter a huge deterrent they knew

8407
05:13:58,310 --> 05:13:56,718
that we had done hiroshima and nagasaki

8408
05:13:59,350 --> 05:13:58,320
and they would have assumed that we had

8409
05:14:01,910 --> 05:13:59,360
more

8410
05:14:04,948 --> 05:14:01,920
so i guess absolutely absolutely and

8411
05:14:07,190 --> 05:14:04,958
that's why they kept it so secret

8412
05:14:08,470 --> 05:14:07,200
well i don't really want

8413
05:14:10,628 --> 05:14:08,480
i don't really want to keep you too much

8414
05:14:12,230 --> 05:14:10,638
longer but if you don't mind we have a

8415
05:14:13,910 --> 05:14:12,240
great audience watching if you don't

8416
05:14:15,830 --> 05:14:13,920
mind we can take some questions for you

8417
05:14:17,110 --> 05:14:15,840
from our live chat it's not often that

8418
05:14:19,430 --> 05:14:17,120
we get some

8419
05:14:21,350 --> 05:14:19,440
experts so any questions from mr schmidt

8420
05:14:23,350 --> 05:14:21,360
or myself just put them in all caps so

8421
05:14:26,470 --> 05:14:23,360
that we know that they are

8422
05:14:27,350 --> 05:14:26,480
intended for him you can ask anything

8423
05:14:28,788 --> 05:14:27,360
um

8424
05:14:30,550 --> 05:14:28,798
and you know again i want to thank you

8425
05:14:32,550 --> 05:14:30,560
for doing this it's it's been my

8426
05:14:34,550 --> 05:14:32,560
pleasure to have all of you guys here

8427
05:14:36,948 --> 05:14:34,560
because uh you know and no matter what

8428
05:14:39,030 --> 05:14:36,958
side people are on you know there's

8429
05:14:40,628 --> 05:14:39,040
there's a you know we've had

8430
05:14:43,110 --> 05:14:40,638
cowhurt who's very skeptical and

8431
05:14:46,470 --> 05:14:43,120
dismissive we've had you and mr randall

8432
05:14:47,910 --> 05:14:46,480
and even walter bosley with the zone

8433
05:14:49,830 --> 05:14:47,920
thoughts on what may have crashed at

8434
05:14:51,110 --> 05:14:49,840
roswell it's great to get you guys all

8435
05:14:53,030 --> 05:14:51,120
in one place

8436
05:14:57,030 --> 05:14:53,040
okay here we go this is a great question

8437
05:15:00,868 --> 05:14:57,040
any speculation about why it crashed

8438
05:15:02,628 --> 05:15:00,878
we have confirmed that the very night

8439
05:15:05,830 --> 05:15:02,638
july 2nd

8440
05:15:07,750 --> 05:15:05,840
through the stallion weather

8441
05:15:09,990 --> 05:15:07,760
uh lookout

8442
05:15:12,390 --> 05:15:10,000
center that evening that there was a

8443
05:15:13,990 --> 05:15:12,400
severe lightning storm that came off of

8444
05:15:16,390 --> 05:15:14,000
the camping the southern tip of the

8445
05:15:17,750 --> 05:15:16,400
capitan mountains

8446
05:15:21,190 --> 05:15:17,760
and so

8447
05:15:23,350 --> 05:15:21,200
even the ranchers described to us

8448
05:15:25,190 --> 05:15:23,360
that between the thunder claps now this

8449
05:15:26,868 --> 05:15:25,200
is high desert

8450
05:15:28,868 --> 05:15:26,878
then out there many times you don't want

8451
05:15:31,430 --> 05:15:28,878
to get caught out there

8452
05:15:33,350 --> 05:15:31,440
in a storm because the lightning strikes

8453
05:15:35,270 --> 05:15:33,360
the ground

8454
05:15:36,470 --> 05:15:35,280
if you're out there in a car you're the

8455
05:15:38,788 --> 05:15:36,480
highest

8456
05:15:41,190 --> 05:15:38,798
you know as far as a

8457
05:15:43,910 --> 05:15:41,200
point you're a lightning rod

8458
05:15:45,350 --> 05:15:43,920
standing out there and it's high desert

8459
05:15:46,788 --> 05:15:45,360
and so

8460
05:15:48,708 --> 05:15:46,798
one of the

8461
05:15:51,350 --> 05:15:48,718
obviously uh theories is that it was

8462
05:15:52,390 --> 05:15:51,360
struck by lightning

8463
05:15:55,110 --> 05:15:52,400
again

8464
05:15:57,430 --> 05:15:55,120
we have no way all we can do is

8465
05:15:58,390 --> 05:15:57,440
confirm there was a severe lightning

8466
05:16:00,230 --> 05:15:58,400
storm

8467
05:16:02,150 --> 05:16:00,240
but we still don't know if it was a

8468
05:16:05,830 --> 05:16:02,160
internal malfunction

8469
05:16:08,230 --> 05:16:05,840
something caused it to explode

8470
05:16:09,990 --> 05:16:08,240
i guess we'll never know

8471
05:16:12,948 --> 05:16:10,000
we'll never know

8472
05:16:15,590 --> 05:16:12,958
but that much i can at least

8473
05:16:18,868 --> 05:16:15,600
document that the night in question

8474
05:16:21,030 --> 05:16:18,878
there was a severe lightning storm

8475
05:16:22,868 --> 05:16:21,040
yeah could be it and uh again uh from

8476
05:16:24,788 --> 05:16:22,878
greg chase we have a question what is

8477
05:16:27,190 --> 05:16:24,798
your opinion of gravity control vehicle

8478
05:16:30,628 --> 05:16:27,200
tech or i suppose he means any gravity

8479
05:16:33,270 --> 05:16:30,638
technology as being man-made

8480
05:16:36,230 --> 05:16:33,280
interesting that even in

8481
05:16:37,350 --> 05:16:36,240
general nathan twining's

8482
05:16:40,550 --> 05:16:37,360
letter

8483
05:16:43,830 --> 05:16:40,560
to general george shogren

8484
05:16:46,150 --> 05:16:43,840
asking about their

8485
05:16:47,990 --> 05:16:46,160
assessment of the situation this is two

8486
05:16:51,750 --> 05:16:48,000
months after roswell

8487
05:16:53,750 --> 05:16:51,760
they were already speculating that the

8488
05:16:57,670 --> 05:16:53,760
aircraft

8489
05:16:59,270 --> 05:16:57,680
that 20 states in this letter is real

8490
05:17:01,750 --> 05:16:59,280
that the phenomenon is real and not

8491
05:17:03,030 --> 05:17:01,760
visionary or fictitious yeah i love that

8492
05:17:07,670 --> 05:17:03,040
memo

8493
05:17:09,830 --> 05:17:07,680
stephen that most ufologists don't even

8494
05:17:12,150 --> 05:17:09,840
grasp if you actually have a chance to

8495
05:17:14,470 --> 05:17:12,160
ever see the originals

8496
05:17:17,830 --> 05:17:14,480
twining did not write that letter

8497
05:17:19,750 --> 05:17:17,840
he signed off he agreed with the context

8498
05:17:21,190 --> 05:17:19,760
of the letter but you know who prepared

8499
05:17:21,990 --> 05:17:21,200
the letter

8500
05:17:25,110 --> 05:17:22,000
no

8501
05:17:27,590 --> 05:17:25,120
nuts and bolts engineers at right field

8502
05:17:30,628 --> 05:17:27,600
at that time

8503
05:17:34,310 --> 05:17:30,638
that makes it even more believable

8504
05:17:37,270 --> 05:17:34,320
engine experts propeller experts uh as

8505
05:17:38,948 --> 05:17:37,280
far as materials experts so nuts and

8506
05:17:40,948 --> 05:17:38,958
bolts guys

8507
05:17:42,788 --> 05:17:40,958
so why are you calling in nuts and bolts

8508
05:17:44,628 --> 05:17:42,798
guys if you're only dealing with siding

8509
05:17:46,390 --> 05:17:44,638
reports if you're only dealing with a

8510
05:17:47,990 --> 05:17:46,400
couple photographs

8511
05:17:49,510 --> 05:17:48,000
why is it possible you're dealing with

8512
05:17:51,430 --> 05:17:49,520
nuts and bolts people because they're

8513
05:17:53,270 --> 05:17:51,440
actually dealing with the nuts and bolts

8514
05:17:55,350 --> 05:17:53,280
of the recovered saucer that was just

8515
05:17:56,708 --> 05:17:55,360
brought to your attention right there at

8516
05:17:58,708 --> 05:17:56,718
right field

8517
05:18:01,030 --> 05:17:58,718
so but the point being

8518
05:18:03,110 --> 05:18:01,040
twining they were already speculating

8519
05:18:05,110 --> 05:18:03,120
that the propulsion may be

8520
05:18:07,270 --> 05:18:05,120
electromagnetic

8521
05:18:08,230 --> 05:18:07,280
that it would draw

8522
05:18:11,190 --> 05:18:08,240
power

8523
05:18:14,230 --> 05:18:11,200
right out of the very atmosphere

8524
05:18:15,910 --> 05:18:14,240
and doing that that and

8525
05:18:18,470 --> 05:18:15,920
use the example if you take something as

8526
05:18:21,430 --> 05:18:18,480
simple as a balloon and you create

8527
05:18:22,948 --> 05:18:21,440
static rub it against your arm

8528
05:18:24,550 --> 05:18:22,958
and then hold it up against the wall and

8529
05:18:26,628 --> 05:18:24,560
the balloon will defy gravity you'll

8530
05:18:28,550 --> 05:18:26,638
still hang as far as up against that

8531
05:18:31,350 --> 05:18:28,560
wall or against the ceiling from the

8532
05:18:33,430 --> 05:18:31,360
static electricity well it's again it's

8533
05:18:35,510 --> 05:18:33,440
anti-gravity electromagnetic you're

8534
05:18:37,910 --> 05:18:35,520
creating electromagnetic field

8535
05:18:40,788 --> 05:18:37,920
of sorts so i i believe that that was

8536
05:18:44,628 --> 05:18:40,798
the birth of some of that research the

8537
05:18:47,670 --> 05:18:44,638
idea that these crap are able to push

8538
05:18:49,670 --> 05:18:47,680
off of gravity repel gravity they hover

8539
05:18:53,510 --> 05:18:49,680
and then they push off of it and are

8540
05:18:56,868 --> 05:18:53,520
able to accelerate at a tremendous speed

8541
05:18:58,868 --> 05:18:56,878
and in in using you even as far as the

8542
05:19:01,430 --> 05:18:58,878
the orbital rotation the gravity of the

8543
05:19:03,190 --> 05:19:01,440
planet itself that they use it as their

8544
05:19:05,190 --> 05:19:03,200
very propulsion

8545
05:19:06,390 --> 05:19:05,200
and there and would lie that the ground

8546
05:19:08,230 --> 05:19:06,400
and we've been research we've been

8547
05:19:11,030 --> 05:19:08,240
working on this and i believe we're

8548
05:19:13,190 --> 05:19:11,040
getting closer and closer and uh

8549
05:19:14,868 --> 05:19:13,200
i belong to the eaa

8550
05:19:16,868 --> 05:19:14,878
as far as the uh

8551
05:19:18,708 --> 05:19:16,878
experimental aircraft association in

8552
05:19:20,628 --> 05:19:18,718
oshkosh wisconsin

8553
05:19:22,230 --> 05:19:20,638
and when they unveiled the raptor the

8554
05:19:25,190 --> 05:19:22,240
f-35s

8555
05:19:27,270 --> 05:19:25,200
and you see that jet hover

8556
05:19:30,470 --> 05:19:27,280
you see it come up

8557
05:19:32,788 --> 05:19:30,480
and it turn its nose up and all at once

8558
05:19:35,030 --> 05:19:32,798
it's just bouncing it's resting on its

8559
05:19:36,628 --> 05:19:35,040
thrusters yeah i've seen a video of that

8560
05:19:38,948 --> 05:19:36,638
it's pretty impressive

8561
05:19:41,270 --> 05:19:38,958
and then all at once it kicks in the

8562
05:19:42,470 --> 05:19:41,280
afterburners and like a rocket shoots

8563
05:19:45,670 --> 05:19:42,480
straight up

8564
05:19:47,510 --> 05:19:45,680
just amazing now that's not anti-gravity

8565
05:19:50,070 --> 05:19:47,520
but we're getting there

8566
05:19:53,270 --> 05:19:50,080
we are getting to the point that we

8567
05:19:55,270 --> 05:19:53,280
understand and who is to say that the

8568
05:19:57,190 --> 05:19:55,280
the main inspiration may indeed have

8569
05:19:59,590 --> 05:19:57,200
been the very phenomena that they're

8570
05:20:01,110 --> 05:19:59,600
still saying doesn't exist yeah i always

8571
05:20:03,830 --> 05:20:01,120
found it interesting that in the early

8572
05:20:05,910 --> 05:20:03,840
1950s a lot of almost all of the major

8573
05:20:08,150 --> 05:20:05,920
aircraft manufacturers were really big

8574
05:20:10,628 --> 05:20:08,160
there's articles and things on electric

8575
05:20:12,788 --> 05:20:10,638
gravity research and then shortly after

8576
05:20:14,628 --> 05:20:12,798
that it just all vanished and nobody

8577
05:20:17,670 --> 05:20:14,638
talked about it all goes underground

8578
05:20:20,628 --> 05:20:17,680
like now it's become too top secret too

8579
05:20:22,390 --> 05:20:20,638
sensitive and and i i suppose in many

8580
05:20:24,708 --> 05:20:22,400
respects it becomes covert because you

8581
05:20:27,350 --> 05:20:24,718
don't want to play your hand the idea

8582
05:20:29,030 --> 05:20:27,360
that we may have such aircraft today and

8583
05:20:31,510 --> 05:20:29,040
it's the last thing we want the soviets

8584
05:20:33,030 --> 05:20:31,520
or the chinese to even you know be aware

8585
05:20:35,750 --> 05:20:33,040
that we possess

8586
05:20:38,390 --> 05:20:35,760
yeah another uh question can mr schmidt

8587
05:20:40,310 --> 05:20:38,400
review if any findings at the sites i

8588
05:20:41,990 --> 05:20:40,320
think maybe uh they're talking about

8589
05:20:43,670 --> 05:20:42,000
these archaeological things and you have

8590
05:20:46,070 --> 05:20:43,680
a whole book on that can you talk about

8591
05:20:48,390 --> 05:20:46,080
what exactly was found was there any

8592
05:20:50,070 --> 05:20:48,400
promising evidence found during all

8593
05:20:51,670 --> 05:20:50,080
those archaeological digs because i

8594
05:20:53,190 --> 05:20:51,680
thought for a while when i heard that

8595
05:20:54,948 --> 05:20:53,200
they were doing that i remember when it

8596
05:20:57,590 --> 05:20:54,958
when i first heard about that it was a

8597
05:20:59,190 --> 05:20:57,600
long time ago but i thought maybe there

8598
05:21:01,270 --> 05:20:59,200
was something

8599
05:21:02,948 --> 05:21:01,280
left there and they're gonna find it and

8600
05:21:03,750 --> 05:21:02,958
maybe we'll get a smoking gun piece of

8601
05:21:06,470 --> 05:21:03,760
it

8602
05:21:08,470 --> 05:21:06,480
now just imagine as you yourself

8603
05:21:10,868 --> 05:21:08,480
acknowledged that kevin randall and i

8604
05:21:13,270 --> 05:21:10,878
were skeptics our first trip to new

8605
05:21:15,430 --> 05:21:13,280
mexico in february 89.

8606
05:21:18,310 --> 05:21:15,440
by that september

8607
05:21:21,990 --> 05:21:18,320
were that hot on the case that we are

8608
05:21:25,110 --> 05:21:22,000
supervising the first archaeological dig

8609
05:21:26,708 --> 05:21:25,120
at the debris field site the brazil on

8610
05:21:29,030 --> 05:21:26,718
the foster quite a turnaround from

8611
05:21:31,270 --> 05:21:29,040
skeptic to running an archaeological dig

8612
05:21:32,548 --> 05:21:31,280
right we had a team from the center few

8613
05:21:35,510 --> 05:21:32,558
of those studies

8614
05:21:37,030 --> 05:21:35,520
and we had archaeologists from argonne

8615
05:21:38,390 --> 05:21:37,040
laboratories

8616
05:21:40,708 --> 05:21:38,400
in illinois

8617
05:21:43,910 --> 05:21:40,718
and we mapped out the site using a

8618
05:21:47,030 --> 05:21:43,920
satellite a survey meter we laid out a

8619
05:21:49,590 --> 05:21:47,040
systematic grid we mark we flank area

8620
05:21:50,948 --> 05:21:49,600
areas of potential entrapment we got

8621
05:21:53,190 --> 05:21:50,958
ready

8622
05:21:55,430 --> 05:21:53,200
with the hope that with with funding

8623
05:21:56,628 --> 05:21:55,440
we'd be able to come back and conduct a

8624
05:21:59,510 --> 05:21:56,638
full-scale

8625
05:22:00,830 --> 05:21:59,520
you know archaeological dig

8626
05:22:04,868 --> 05:22:00,840
well we

8627
05:22:06,708 --> 05:22:04,878
approached uh in 1995 six years later

8628
05:22:07,830 --> 05:22:06,718
the contract archaeology department at

8629
05:22:09,510 --> 05:22:07,840
the university of new mexico and

8630
05:22:11,910 --> 05:22:09,520
albuquerque

8631
05:22:14,070 --> 05:22:11,920
and that was dick chapman was the head

8632
05:22:15,430 --> 05:22:14,080
of the department at that time

8633
05:22:18,070 --> 05:22:15,440
and uh

8634
05:22:20,628 --> 05:22:18,080
with the hope that they would be willing

8635
05:22:21,910 --> 05:22:20,638
to even

8636
05:22:25,030 --> 05:22:21,920
do the dig

8637
05:22:27,830 --> 05:22:25,040
that we would have a university a as far

8638
05:22:29,110 --> 05:22:27,840
as sponsored dig

8639
05:22:31,270 --> 05:22:29,120
sure yeah

8640
05:22:32,310 --> 05:22:31,280
a ufo crash site

8641
05:22:34,548 --> 05:22:32,320
and

8642
05:22:36,548 --> 05:22:34,558
they accepted they agreed well we still

8643
05:22:37,350 --> 05:22:36,558
had to come up with the money

8644
05:22:43,830 --> 05:22:37,360
so

8645
05:22:46,628 --> 05:22:43,840
with the sci-fi channel that's when we

8646
05:22:47,430 --> 05:22:46,638
went in and we did the full scale

8647
05:22:48,708 --> 05:22:47,440
dig

8648
05:22:50,230 --> 05:22:48,718
second one

8649
05:22:51,430 --> 05:22:50,240
but we were able to go in with a back

8650
05:22:53,350 --> 05:22:51,440
hole

8651
05:22:56,150 --> 05:22:53,360
and it's um

8652
05:22:58,470 --> 05:22:56,160
an area that witnesses had described a

8653
05:23:01,030 --> 05:22:58,480
furrow a gouge

8654
05:23:02,548 --> 05:23:01,040
after the military recovery

8655
05:23:04,708 --> 05:23:02,558
had been completed

8656
05:23:06,708 --> 05:23:04,718
and it was about 10 foot wide

8657
05:23:08,070 --> 05:23:06,718
hundreds of feet long but it filled in

8658
05:23:09,510 --> 05:23:08,080
through the years

8659
05:23:10,708 --> 05:23:09,520
it was no longer visible from the

8660
05:23:13,350 --> 05:23:10,718
surface

8661
05:23:15,270 --> 05:23:13,360
so we flagged that site

8662
05:23:18,470 --> 05:23:15,280
where witnesses again independent of one

8663
05:23:21,510 --> 05:23:18,480
another told us they saw that furl

8664
05:23:24,150 --> 05:23:21,520
and the back co-operator he's even an

8665
05:23:26,230 --> 05:23:24,160
archaeologist he's worked over in egypt

8666
05:23:28,070 --> 05:23:26,240
he's worked in africa and other areas

8667
05:23:29,510 --> 05:23:28,080
he's got the touch as they would say he

8668
05:23:31,430 --> 05:23:29,520
works for the ground engineering even

8669
05:23:34,868 --> 05:23:31,440
the engineers said that when they were

8670
05:23:36,390 --> 05:23:34,878
digging perpendicular to the flagged

8671
05:23:38,788 --> 05:23:36,400
gouge area

8672
05:23:40,788 --> 05:23:38,798
that the the shovel was jumping like it

8673
05:23:42,708 --> 05:23:40,798
was hitting loose sediment

8674
05:23:45,510 --> 05:23:42,718
and when it was pulled aside there it

8675
05:23:46,948 --> 05:23:45,520
was just below the surface a symmetrical

8676
05:23:49,270 --> 05:23:46,958
v

8677
05:23:50,708 --> 05:23:49,280
exactly where the eyewitnesses said it

8678
05:23:54,310 --> 05:23:50,718
was

8679
05:23:56,150 --> 05:23:54,320
sorry something impacted built in later

8680
05:23:58,788 --> 05:23:56,160
so something had actually skipped across

8681
05:24:00,708 --> 05:23:58,798
the ground and that the wind and rain

8682
05:24:02,868 --> 05:24:00,718
erosion had filled it all in through the

8683
05:24:05,430 --> 05:24:02,878
decades with new cities

8684
05:24:07,670 --> 05:24:05,440
below this purpose now

8685
05:24:09,270 --> 05:24:07,680
since that time we had another dig in

8686
05:24:12,868 --> 05:24:09,280
2006.

8687
05:24:16,708 --> 05:24:12,878
we had another one in 2013

8688
05:24:22,230 --> 05:24:18,470
and

8689
05:24:23,590 --> 05:24:22,240
with assistance from a geologist frank

8690
05:24:25,910 --> 05:24:23,600
kimbler

8691
05:24:28,948 --> 05:24:25,920
who was working this site quite

8692
05:24:30,390 --> 05:24:28,958
diligently with just his metal detector

8693
05:24:34,150 --> 05:24:30,400
in finding

8694
05:24:37,350 --> 05:24:34,160
uh fragments metal fragments

8695
05:24:39,030 --> 05:24:37,360
and were analyzed and and some of them

8696
05:24:40,948 --> 05:24:39,040
turned out to be

8697
05:24:43,510 --> 05:24:40,958
mostly aluminum

8698
05:24:45,110 --> 05:24:43,520
but with one strange alloy that

8699
05:24:46,390 --> 05:24:45,120
shouldn't be there

8700
05:24:48,830 --> 05:24:46,400
and that was

8701
05:24:53,190 --> 05:24:52,070
lithium okay

8702
05:24:54,788 --> 05:24:53,200
um

8703
05:24:57,190 --> 05:24:54,798
and that's not a very common thing to

8704
05:24:59,350 --> 05:24:57,200
mix with aluminum right no because it's

8705
05:25:02,390 --> 05:24:59,360
mixed strictly with steel

8706
05:25:05,270 --> 05:25:02,400
it's a hardening agent for steel

8707
05:25:08,788 --> 05:25:05,280
and as a result there's not a registered

8708
05:25:10,548 --> 05:25:08,798
combination of the two

8709
05:25:13,110 --> 05:25:10,558
that we know of that we could find

8710
05:25:15,350 --> 05:25:13,120
anywhere here on planet earth now again

8711
05:25:17,350 --> 05:25:15,360
it doesn't prove its extraterrestrial no

8712
05:25:19,430 --> 05:25:17,360
we agree but

8713
05:25:21,190 --> 05:25:19,440
it's interesting it's because they do

8714
05:25:23,350 --> 05:25:21,200
any did they do any tests on the

8715
05:25:25,110 --> 05:25:23,360
isotopic ratio of the illuminati because

8716
05:25:27,110 --> 05:25:25,120
you should believe that's it but it came

8717
05:25:31,030 --> 05:25:27,120
back earthly

8718
05:25:33,030 --> 05:25:31,040
well except for the molybdenum

8719
05:25:35,350 --> 05:25:33,040
the molybdenum i pronounced it raw in

8720
05:25:37,590 --> 05:25:35,360
the first time molybdenum

8721
05:25:39,590 --> 05:25:37,600
and it was three percent

8722
05:25:42,230 --> 05:25:39,600
doesn't sound like a lot but that's is a

8723
05:25:44,150 --> 05:25:42,240
lot in conjunction with the aluminum

8724
05:25:47,110 --> 05:25:44,160
because it should make it as brittle as

8725
05:25:48,070 --> 05:25:47,120
glass as a hardening agent for steel

8726
05:25:49,830 --> 05:25:48,080
and yet

8727
05:25:52,788 --> 05:25:49,840
there it is

8728
05:25:55,590 --> 05:25:52,798
we didn't claim it was there but three

8729
05:25:57,190 --> 05:25:55,600
separate labs have doing the radio

8730
05:26:00,310 --> 05:25:57,200
isotope testing

8731
05:26:02,708 --> 05:26:00,320
have confirmed its presence

8732
05:26:04,470 --> 05:26:02,718
insulting we uh i know on the history

8733
05:26:05,990 --> 05:26:04,480
channel

8734
05:26:07,350 --> 05:26:06,000
yeah i remember seeing that and i was on

8735
05:26:09,590 --> 05:26:07,360
the edge of my seat like what are they

8736
05:26:12,470 --> 05:26:09,600
gonna find you know and then they

8737
05:26:13,350 --> 05:26:12,480
claim that they're picking up uh

8738
05:26:14,788 --> 05:26:13,360
something

8739
05:26:15,910 --> 05:26:14,798
buried beneath

8740
05:26:17,750 --> 05:26:15,920
the surface

8741
05:26:18,948 --> 05:26:17,760
that is sending back it's creating a

8742
05:26:19,990 --> 05:26:18,958
magnetic

8743
05:26:23,670 --> 05:26:20,000
signal

8744
05:26:25,990 --> 05:26:23,680
it's it's repelling as far as uh that uh

8745
05:26:27,430 --> 05:26:26,000
subterranean radar

8746
05:26:31,750 --> 05:26:27,440
and then

8747
05:26:34,788 --> 05:26:31,760
the uh ben smith the cia

8748
05:26:36,868 --> 05:26:34,798
operative former cia operative suggests

8749
05:26:38,548 --> 05:26:36,878
you mean like a balloon

8750
05:26:39,590 --> 05:26:38,558
okay

8751
05:26:41,430 --> 05:26:39,600
well

8752
05:26:42,548 --> 05:26:41,440
i wish they would have talked to us

8753
05:26:45,430 --> 05:26:42,558
because

8754
05:26:47,670 --> 05:26:45,440
if we go back to the raimi photographs

8755
05:26:51,990 --> 05:26:47,680
in general raymie's office

8756
05:26:57,030 --> 05:26:53,910
at his feet

8757
05:26:58,788 --> 05:26:57,040
on his office floor

8758
05:27:00,150 --> 05:26:58,798
if you were to know anything about

8759
05:27:02,390 --> 05:27:00,160
weather balloons especially those

8760
05:27:04,868 --> 05:27:02,400
particular balloons

8761
05:27:07,350 --> 05:27:04,878
the the rubber especially when exposed

8762
05:27:08,830 --> 05:27:07,360
to the elements starts to break down

8763
05:27:11,030 --> 05:27:08,840
within

8764
05:27:12,150 --> 05:27:11,040
days whether you'll be there 40 years 50

8765
05:27:15,590 --> 05:27:12,160
years later

8766
05:27:18,070 --> 05:27:15,600
within weeks it becomes like powder

8767
05:27:20,070 --> 05:27:18,080
and the reflective foil

8768
05:27:22,868 --> 05:27:20,080
unless it's one

8769
05:27:26,150 --> 05:27:22,878
large intact sheet

8770
05:27:29,590 --> 05:27:26,160
how did it bury itself and who buried it

8771
05:27:31,190 --> 05:27:29,600
and how they remain intact after all

8772
05:27:32,470 --> 05:27:31,200
these years

8773
05:27:34,150 --> 05:27:32,480
so

8774
05:27:36,548 --> 05:27:34,160
it was wishful thinking

8775
05:27:38,470 --> 05:27:36,558
it was it was it was kind of a

8776
05:27:40,230 --> 05:27:38,480
because they they build it up and they

8777
05:27:42,390 --> 05:27:40,240
tear it down and unfortunately that's

8778
05:27:44,470 --> 05:27:42,400
how a lot of these shows are

8779
05:27:46,868 --> 05:27:44,480
they raise the suspense level and then

8780
05:27:48,628 --> 05:27:46,878
they burst your bubble so to speak yeah

8781
05:27:50,070 --> 05:27:48,638
that's a pretty common theme and another

8782
05:27:51,430 --> 05:27:50,080
great question because i was going to

8783
05:27:52,628 --> 05:27:51,440
ask you this too

8784
05:27:54,390 --> 05:27:52,638
because

8785
05:27:56,070 --> 05:27:54,400
there's been various descriptions of

8786
05:27:58,310 --> 05:27:56,080
what the craft looked like some say that

8787
05:28:00,470 --> 05:27:58,320
it was a sort of a flying wing

8788
05:28:03,030 --> 05:28:00,480
not a saucer shaped craft and other

8789
05:28:04,868 --> 05:28:03,040
people said that that the craft was

8790
05:28:11,030 --> 05:28:04,878
you know

8791
05:28:11,990 --> 05:28:11,040
saucer round and what what is your take

8792
05:28:15,030 --> 05:28:12,000
on that

8793
05:28:16,070 --> 05:28:15,040
which is uh and frank kaufman you know

8794
05:28:17,910 --> 05:28:16,080
getting back

8795
05:28:20,390 --> 05:28:17,920
he was claiming that it was more of a

8796
05:28:21,510 --> 05:28:20,400
batwing

8797
05:28:22,788 --> 05:28:21,520
okay

8798
05:28:25,350 --> 05:28:22,798
and and

8799
05:28:28,868 --> 05:28:25,360
he had you know those of us who were you

8800
05:28:31,030 --> 05:28:28,878
know trying to uh establish you know his

8801
05:28:33,110 --> 05:28:31,040
credibility

8802
05:28:35,670 --> 05:28:33,120
we were trying to pin it to tie it in

8803
05:28:38,628 --> 05:28:35,680
with what kenneth arnold had described

8804
05:28:41,030 --> 05:28:38,638
on june 24th that they weren't saucer

8805
05:28:42,708 --> 05:28:41,040
shaped they were more crescent-shaped

8806
05:28:45,430 --> 05:28:42,718
but that they maneuvered through the air

8807
05:28:47,190 --> 05:28:45,440
like saucers skipping across the water

8808
05:28:49,590 --> 05:28:47,200
and that's where uh

8809
05:28:51,910 --> 05:28:49,600
yeah famously

8810
05:28:54,230 --> 05:28:51,920
it was a bill basha who was reported

8811
05:28:56,548 --> 05:28:54,240
with the origorian newspaper bill

8812
05:28:59,990 --> 05:28:56,558
burchette bill buschett who then coined

8813
05:29:02,548 --> 05:29:00,000
the the very phrase flying saucer so

8814
05:29:04,708 --> 05:29:02,558
disc was used before that why this

8815
05:29:07,750 --> 05:29:04,718
flying disc yeah flying this exactly

8816
05:29:10,150 --> 05:29:07,760
stephen and even the william rhodes

8817
05:29:12,310 --> 05:29:10,160
photographs from july 7th

8818
05:29:13,590 --> 05:29:12,320
show that heel shaped

8819
05:29:14,868 --> 05:29:13,600
object

8820
05:29:18,628 --> 05:29:14,878
to pictures

8821
05:29:20,470 --> 05:29:18,638
over uh phoenix arizona at that time but

8822
05:29:23,110 --> 05:29:20,480
the witnesses

8823
05:29:25,510 --> 05:29:23,120
at the impact site the debris field is

8824
05:29:27,750 --> 05:29:25,520
debris whether it was the auto pieces so

8825
05:29:30,548 --> 05:29:27,760
you're not going to see what it yeah but

8826
05:29:32,708 --> 05:29:30,558
the impact site where you had what

8827
05:29:35,510 --> 05:29:32,718
appeared to be

8828
05:29:36,708 --> 05:29:35,520
an escape pod a capsule

8829
05:29:39,830 --> 05:29:36,718
egg-shaped

8830
05:29:43,270 --> 05:29:39,840
about the size of a volkswagen beetle

8831
05:29:46,948 --> 05:29:43,280
so it was hardly you know an intact ship

8832
05:29:50,628 --> 05:29:46,958
but just as we have had escape modules

8833
05:29:53,030 --> 05:29:50,638
and as far as cabin ejection devices

8834
05:29:55,670 --> 05:29:53,040
that would propel you know uh pilot and

8835
05:29:56,868 --> 05:29:55,680
crew you know away from disaster that

8836
05:29:59,190 --> 05:29:56,878
type of thing

8837
05:30:00,310 --> 05:29:59,200
maybe that's where we learned you know

8838
05:30:02,230 --> 05:30:00,320
that uh

8839
05:30:04,230 --> 05:30:02,240
that's a great technology to figure out

8840
05:30:06,868 --> 05:30:04,240
for space flight too right sometimes you

8841
05:30:08,548 --> 05:30:06,878
gotta you gotta escape and another

8842
05:30:10,948 --> 05:30:08,558
question and i'm sure that the answer is

8843
05:30:12,708 --> 05:30:10,958
yes but you you can talk speak to this

8844
05:30:15,670 --> 05:30:12,718
paul cargo asks had the basement buzzed

8845
05:30:18,230 --> 05:30:15,680
by ufos prior to the crash

8846
05:30:19,910 --> 05:30:18,240
we often asked that question were they

8847
05:30:20,868 --> 05:30:19,920
aware

8848
05:30:23,830 --> 05:30:20,878
and

8849
05:30:28,150 --> 05:30:23,840
what we we discovered that it wasn't at

8850
05:30:31,670 --> 05:30:28,160
roswell but where there were

8851
05:30:34,708 --> 05:30:31,680
a growing number of signings and reports

8852
05:30:36,788 --> 05:30:34,718
was at the white sands proving grounds

8853
05:30:38,150 --> 05:30:36,798
just a couple hours to the west of

8854
05:30:39,030 --> 05:30:38,160
roswell

8855
05:30:40,868 --> 05:30:39,040
and

8856
05:30:43,110 --> 05:30:40,878
you had

8857
05:30:44,868 --> 05:30:43,120
all of the captured german v2 rockets

8858
05:30:47,430 --> 05:30:44,878
being tested there

8859
05:30:50,070 --> 05:30:47,440
it obviously just to the north is where

8860
05:30:55,910 --> 05:30:50,080
trinity the first atomic bomb detonation

8861
05:31:02,230 --> 05:30:59,590
you had the most sophisticated radar

8862
05:31:04,390 --> 05:31:02,240
system in the world at that time yeah i

8863
05:31:06,628 --> 05:31:04,400
wanted to protect that nuclear base well

8864
05:31:09,750 --> 05:31:06,638
atomic base at the time but this i'm

8865
05:31:11,910 --> 05:31:09,760
talking about white sands

8866
05:31:14,390 --> 05:31:11,920
because of the rocket launching

8867
05:31:18,150 --> 05:31:16,708
radar was in its infancy at that time

8868
05:31:21,350 --> 05:31:18,160
and as a result

8869
05:31:22,708 --> 05:31:21,360
all other bases only track incoming

8870
05:31:25,590 --> 05:31:22,718
aircraft

8871
05:31:27,190 --> 05:31:25,600
whereas white sands at that time was the

8872
05:31:28,868 --> 05:31:27,200
first base in the world that was

8873
05:31:31,990 --> 05:31:28,878
tracking in

8874
05:31:34,390 --> 05:31:32,000
and departing aircraft

8875
05:31:37,990 --> 05:31:34,400
so it might have been a reason that they

8876
05:31:41,750 --> 05:31:38,000
were then picking up more anomalies

8877
05:31:44,788 --> 05:31:41,760
and then hence there were a a a number

8878
05:31:47,350 --> 05:31:44,798
of newspaper reports at that time

8879
05:31:49,430 --> 05:31:47,360
of objects that were witnessed and

8880
05:31:51,670 --> 05:31:49,440
tracked over white fans

8881
05:31:53,510 --> 05:31:51,680
nothing around roswell except you had

8882
05:31:54,548 --> 05:31:53,520
the dan wilmouth

8883
05:31:56,708 --> 05:31:54,558
sighting

8884
05:31:59,190 --> 05:31:56,718
uh the afternoon of july second

8885
05:32:02,628 --> 05:31:59,200
and he and his wife on the west side of

8886
05:32:04,868 --> 05:32:02,638
roswell saw an unknown an object that

8887
05:32:06,230 --> 05:32:04,878
was moving beyond roswell and towards

8888
05:32:08,548 --> 05:32:06,240
the northwest

8889
05:32:10,548 --> 05:32:08,558
towards lincoln county

8890
05:32:12,868 --> 05:32:10,558
which then would become

8891
05:32:15,590 --> 05:32:12,878
you know the site of where this object

8892
05:32:17,670 --> 05:32:15,600
explodes and then rains debris down that

8893
05:32:19,030 --> 05:32:17,680
very evening

8894
05:32:21,510 --> 05:32:19,040
interesting

8895
05:32:23,830 --> 05:32:21,520
well uh i'm about

8896
05:32:25,270 --> 05:32:23,840
done with the i well i have i could keep

8897
05:32:27,350 --> 05:32:25,280
you here for another five hours but i

8898
05:32:28,948 --> 05:32:27,360
won't do that

8899
05:32:31,830 --> 05:32:28,958
i want to thank you so much for doing

8900
05:32:33,750 --> 05:32:31,840
this i uh when you work really i know

8901
05:32:34,788 --> 05:32:33,760
you're a very busy guy so for those who

8902
05:32:36,708 --> 05:32:34,798
don't know

8903
05:32:38,708 --> 05:32:36,718
mr schmidt is so busy that it took him a

8904
05:32:40,230 --> 05:32:38,718
while to get back to me and i kept going

8905
05:32:42,470 --> 05:32:40,240
every day i would check my email go

8906
05:32:44,628 --> 05:32:42,480
please mr schmidt get back to me because

8907
05:32:45,990 --> 05:32:44,638
you've got to be in this series we can't

8908
05:32:48,548 --> 05:32:46,000
end it without mr schmidt's

8909
05:32:51,030 --> 05:32:48,558
participation and involvement and and uh

8910
05:32:52,548 --> 05:32:51,040
it's not just me all of the viewers kept

8911
05:32:53,830 --> 05:32:52,558
asking me you're gonna have don schmidt

8912
05:32:55,670 --> 05:32:53,840
right you know

8913
05:32:57,670 --> 05:32:55,680
so thank you for your i wanted to i

8914
05:32:59,750 --> 05:32:57,680
wanted to tell everybody too uh it's

8915
05:33:02,150 --> 05:32:59,760
very easy to find mr schmidt's books on

8916
05:33:05,190 --> 05:33:02,160
amazon you just type in don schmidt and

8917
05:33:07,750 --> 05:33:05,200
all his books pop up and i don't know

8918
05:33:11,030 --> 05:33:07,760
mr randall's written how many books have

8919
05:33:12,868 --> 05:33:11,040
you written on just roswell

8920
05:33:15,030 --> 05:33:12,878
can you go through quickly

8921
05:33:17,350 --> 05:33:15,040
uh you have a crash in roswell truth

8922
05:33:18,390 --> 05:33:17,360
about ufo crash at roswell

8923
05:33:20,948 --> 05:33:18,400
um

8924
05:33:23,830 --> 05:33:20,958
witness to roswell the journal

8925
05:33:25,270 --> 05:33:23,840
and then i did ufo crash at roswell 2

8926
05:33:28,310 --> 05:33:25,280
which was the

8927
05:33:29,910 --> 05:33:28,320
chronological pictorial we did the first

8928
05:33:33,430 --> 05:33:29,920
uh

8929
05:33:36,390 --> 05:33:33,440
did the

8930
05:33:38,470 --> 05:33:36,400
uh revised edition witness to roswell

8931
05:33:39,750 --> 05:33:38,480
we did the children of roswell as you

8932
05:33:41,750 --> 05:33:39,760
mentioned

8933
05:33:43,670 --> 05:33:41,760
uh we we now have done

8934
05:33:46,628 --> 05:33:43,680
roswell the uh

8935
05:33:47,130 --> 05:33:46,638
the ultimate cold case file

8936
05:33:48,628 --> 05:33:47,140
um

8937
05:33:51,590 --> 05:33:48,638
[Music]

8938
05:33:53,270 --> 05:33:51,600
roswell dig diaries

8939
05:33:54,390 --> 05:33:53,280
so um

8940
05:33:56,548 --> 05:33:54,400
again

8941
05:33:59,350 --> 05:33:56,558
yeah well you type in don schmidt and

8942
05:34:02,070 --> 05:33:59,360
into uh into amazon you get just a

8943
05:34:03,510 --> 05:34:02,080
treasure trove of you know i have been

8944
05:34:05,270 --> 05:34:03,520
there's of just a few left that i

8945
05:34:07,110 --> 05:34:05,280
haven't read of yours so i'm gonna i'm

8946
05:34:09,590 --> 05:34:07,120
gonna work on those because and i think

8947
05:34:12,548 --> 05:34:09,600
you could verify stephen that

8948
05:34:14,628 --> 05:34:12,558
in each book we cover a whole new

8949
05:34:16,390 --> 05:34:14,638
asset yeah yeah every time i think like

8950
05:34:18,470 --> 05:34:16,400
well you got another book and then you

8951
05:34:20,708 --> 05:34:18,480
get the book and it's like a different

8952
05:34:22,628 --> 05:34:20,718
it's a different sort of approach like

8953
05:34:24,390 --> 05:34:22,638
witness to roswell is first-hand

8954
05:34:26,390 --> 05:34:24,400
witnesses children of roswell is

8955
05:34:28,948 --> 05:34:26,400
second-hand or children of people's

8956
05:34:30,628 --> 05:34:28,958
families people that were involved

8957
05:34:33,430 --> 05:34:30,638
and and i know you wrote the book with

8958
05:34:36,628 --> 05:34:33,440
kevin randle that was first right which

8959
05:34:38,150 --> 05:34:36,638
was made into the roswell movie yeah

8960
05:34:40,310 --> 05:34:38,160
yeah that's another thing that's one of

8961
05:34:42,628 --> 05:34:40,320
my favorite movies i think at the end

8962
05:34:45,030 --> 05:34:42,638
they want to watch it you gotta you

8963
05:34:47,110 --> 05:34:45,040
gotta watch for kevin's cameo

8964
05:34:49,190 --> 05:34:47,120
i've seen it i've seen both of yours

8965
05:34:50,948 --> 05:34:49,200
you're in it too you're in the movie

8966
05:34:53,110 --> 05:34:50,958
you're like a bartender right i have a

8967
05:34:55,910 --> 05:34:53,120
bartender and a senior

8968
05:34:58,548 --> 05:34:55,920
con mclaughlin xander berkeley martin

8969
05:35:00,470 --> 05:34:58,558
sheen and kim grist yes

8970
05:35:02,150 --> 05:35:00,480
that is awesome

8971
05:35:03,430 --> 05:35:02,160
well i would encourage my audience if

8972
05:35:04,948 --> 05:35:03,440
you want to if you want to learn more

8973
05:35:06,390 --> 05:35:04,958
about this event i can think of no

8974
05:35:08,868 --> 05:35:06,400
better place to start

8975
05:35:10,390 --> 05:35:08,878
than mr schmidt's books uh it's been an

8976
05:35:12,150 --> 05:35:10,400
honor and privilege to have you here i

8977
05:35:13,430 --> 05:35:12,160
can't tell you how happy i am that that

8978
05:35:16,548 --> 05:35:13,440
you could do that

8979
05:35:18,548 --> 05:35:16,558
and i promise next time you ask

8980
05:35:20,470 --> 05:35:18,558
i know it's quite a right it's quite all

8981
05:35:22,788 --> 05:35:20,480
right i know you're a busy guy so i was

8982
05:35:25,270 --> 05:35:22,798
just hopeful like we gotta get mr smith

8983
05:35:27,110 --> 05:35:25,280
to finish you know i'm hoping that

8984
05:35:29,030 --> 05:35:27,120
we might get a few more we might get a

8985
05:35:32,708 --> 05:35:29,040
few more people but the next things are

8986
05:35:34,948 --> 05:35:32,718
really like more out there and not very

8987
05:35:36,470 --> 05:35:34,958
i don't want to say credible but just

8988
05:35:38,548 --> 05:35:36,480
you know just because i want to include

8989
05:35:40,708 --> 05:35:38,558
all perspectives and let everybody make

8990
05:35:42,070 --> 05:35:40,718
up their own mind and maybe when we're

8991
05:35:43,670 --> 05:35:42,080
finished with the series we'll do a

8992
05:35:44,788 --> 05:35:43,680
panel and see if we can have everybody

8993
05:35:46,708 --> 05:35:44,798
come back

8994
05:35:49,110 --> 05:35:46,718
and uh but you guys have to promise not

8995
05:35:51,510 --> 05:35:49,120
to try to murder kalkur if you come on

8996
05:35:53,990 --> 05:35:51,520
no no

8997
05:35:56,788 --> 05:35:54,000
if it's going to be contentious if i

8998
05:35:58,548 --> 05:35:56,798
could survive doing the debate at cycop

8999
05:36:00,948 --> 05:35:58,558
yeah i think you'll be okay i think him

9000
05:36:02,948 --> 05:36:00,958
and mr randall have a long-standing beef

9001
05:36:04,548 --> 05:36:02,958
going though so that's gonna be a big

9002
05:36:06,470 --> 05:36:04,558
back and forth you know i guess it's

9003
05:36:11,590 --> 05:36:06,480
competitive doing this roswell book

9004
05:36:15,910 --> 05:36:13,030
if i have to

9005
05:36:18,390 --> 05:36:15,920
if i had to waste my time and i think a

9006
05:36:20,310 --> 05:36:18,400
lot of it becomes a distraction

9007
05:36:22,708 --> 05:36:20,320
and it would be no different than i

9008
05:36:24,708 --> 05:36:22,718
probably have over 200 letters that i

9009
05:36:26,150 --> 05:36:24,718
received from phil class

9010
05:36:27,190 --> 05:36:26,160
through the years

9011
05:36:29,350 --> 05:36:27,200
and you know how many i actually

9012
05:36:31,830 --> 05:36:29,360
responded to stephen

9013
05:36:34,548 --> 05:36:31,840
two

9014
05:36:36,310 --> 05:36:34,558
whereas kevin responded to everyone and

9015
05:36:38,628 --> 05:36:36,320
it's like every time you're taking the

9016
05:36:39,990 --> 05:36:38,638
time to do that it takes away from the

9017
05:36:42,708 --> 05:36:40,000
investigation

9018
05:36:46,150 --> 05:36:42,718
and uh that's why i don't have the time

9019
05:36:47,830 --> 05:36:46,160
and i i won't waste my time

9020
05:36:49,110 --> 05:36:47,840
i don't blame you i don't blame you it's

9021
05:36:50,470 --> 05:36:49,120
a distraction

9022
05:36:51,990 --> 05:36:50,480
it doesn't uh

9023
05:36:54,788 --> 05:36:52,000
you progress

9024
05:36:56,868 --> 05:36:54,798
anything good or bad but let's end it on

9025
05:36:58,708 --> 05:36:56,878
this note and i've said this before oh

9026
05:37:01,350 --> 05:36:58,718
yeah wait a minute actually yeah i i'm

9027
05:37:03,750 --> 05:37:01,360
so glad that you i'm going to solo you

9028
05:37:05,910 --> 05:37:03,760
and i would like for you in in

9029
05:37:07,430 --> 05:37:05,920
five minutes or less if you can because

9030
05:37:09,110 --> 05:37:07,440
i've heard you do this riff before that

9031
05:37:10,788 --> 05:37:09,120
i think is really

9032
05:37:13,270 --> 05:37:10,798
is one of the things that convinced me

9033
05:37:14,150 --> 05:37:13,280
about you know this and you know who

9034
05:37:16,390 --> 05:37:14,160
flew

9035
05:37:18,070 --> 05:37:16,400
you know that i've heard you do this so

9036
05:37:21,830 --> 05:37:18,080
i'm gonna solo you and i would really

9037
05:37:24,230 --> 05:37:21,840
like it if you can you can wrap up this

9038
05:37:27,430 --> 05:37:24,240
your appearance here by giving us five

9039
05:37:31,910 --> 05:37:27,440
minutes or so of your very best evidence

9040
05:37:33,110 --> 05:37:31,920
and why you believe the alien hypothesis

9041
05:37:35,270 --> 05:37:33,120
you know this again coming from the

9042
05:37:36,390 --> 05:37:35,280
perspective of having been a total

9043
05:37:38,948 --> 05:37:36,400
skeptic

9044
05:37:43,030 --> 05:37:38,958
and allowing the evidence to

9045
05:37:45,590 --> 05:37:43,040
take us to whatever the final resolution

9046
05:37:46,628 --> 05:37:45,600
would happen to be regarding the case

9047
05:37:48,390 --> 05:37:46,638
and

9048
05:37:50,150 --> 05:37:48,400
to listen to first-time witnesses

9049
05:37:52,948 --> 05:37:50,160
describe one after the other whether

9050
05:37:55,190 --> 05:37:52,958
military civilians

9051
05:37:57,750 --> 05:37:55,200
handling material

9052
05:37:59,590 --> 05:37:57,760
that defies conventional explanation

9053
05:38:02,470 --> 05:37:59,600
and i don't care what the alternative

9054
05:38:04,070 --> 05:38:02,480
explanation they never deal with

9055
05:38:06,708 --> 05:38:04,080
those accounts

9056
05:38:09,750 --> 05:38:06,718
whether you're talking about you know

9057
05:38:11,990 --> 05:38:09,760
something top secret or a balloon

9058
05:38:15,110 --> 05:38:12,000
and how ridiculous a balloon

9059
05:38:16,230 --> 05:38:15,120
not demonstrating anything

9060
05:38:19,030 --> 05:38:16,240
that would resemble what the

9061
05:38:20,868 --> 05:38:19,040
eyewitnesses have described

9062
05:38:23,190 --> 05:38:20,878
and then

9063
05:38:24,230 --> 05:38:23,200
you have all the outside personnel that

9064
05:38:25,670 --> 05:38:24,240
come in

9065
05:38:27,670 --> 05:38:25,680
like one of the nurses who was at the

9066
05:38:30,070 --> 05:38:27,680
base hospital told us at that time

9067
05:38:32,150 --> 05:38:30,080
because they were told to stay away they

9068
05:38:34,150 --> 05:38:32,160
were told not to report back to the

9069
05:38:36,788 --> 05:38:34,160
hospital for their normal duties at that

9070
05:38:39,990 --> 05:38:36,798
time and she said to us

9071
05:38:42,310 --> 05:38:40,000
clearly something big had happened

9072
05:38:46,628 --> 05:38:42,320
well a recovery of a weather balloon

9073
05:38:49,190 --> 05:38:46,638
again is as mundane as in raining during

9074
05:38:51,750 --> 05:38:49,200
the monsoons at that time of year

9075
05:38:53,670 --> 05:38:51,760
they wouldn't have you know shut down

9076
05:38:56,310 --> 05:38:53,680
the base they wouldn't have

9077
05:38:59,430 --> 05:38:56,320
directed as far as mps

9078
05:39:02,390 --> 05:38:59,440
shoot to kill anybody as far as crossing

9079
05:39:05,110 --> 05:39:02,400
a particular as far as perimeter

9080
05:39:06,868 --> 05:39:05,120
they wouldn't have had the transporting

9081
05:39:09,750 --> 05:39:06,878
of wreckage

9082
05:39:12,230 --> 05:39:09,760
that went for testing and analysis

9083
05:39:13,190 --> 05:39:12,240
at different facilities around the

9084
05:39:15,030 --> 05:39:13,200
country

9085
05:39:17,670 --> 05:39:15,040
they wouldn't have called up the funeral

9086
05:39:19,830 --> 05:39:17,680
home asking as far as what should be

9087
05:39:22,788 --> 05:39:19,840
done as far as the preservation of

9088
05:39:25,270 --> 05:39:22,798
bodily tissue and fluids regarding

9089
05:39:28,070 --> 05:39:25,280
something that we can't document an

9090
05:39:31,510 --> 05:39:28,080
accident at that time involving anyone

9091
05:39:34,230 --> 05:39:31,520
any bodies that would have necessitated

9092
05:39:37,110 --> 05:39:34,240
such inquiries at that time

9093
05:39:39,030 --> 05:39:37,120
and so either you have the military

9094
05:39:41,590 --> 05:39:39,040
and the civilians involved all reading

9095
05:39:43,350 --> 05:39:41,600
from the same script

9096
05:39:44,788 --> 05:39:43,360
because they all experienced this from

9097
05:39:46,628 --> 05:39:44,798
their different vantage points their

9098
05:39:49,190 --> 05:39:46,638
different backgrounds

9099
05:39:50,868 --> 05:39:49,200
but yet they reacted the same way

9100
05:39:53,670 --> 05:39:50,878
i don't care if it's the

9101
05:39:55,910 --> 05:39:53,680
the ranchers and their hired hands their

9102
05:39:58,310 --> 05:39:55,920
wives their children or all the way up

9103
05:39:59,750 --> 05:39:58,320
to the base commander at roswell who

9104
05:40:03,110 --> 05:39:59,760
would have been the second pilot

9105
05:40:05,190 --> 05:40:03,120
dropping the atomic bomb on japan

9106
05:40:06,948 --> 05:40:05,200
the reason that he wasn't

9107
05:40:10,310 --> 05:40:06,958
sent on that mission was because they

9108
05:40:12,868 --> 05:40:10,320
had higher hopes higher plans for him

9109
05:40:14,948 --> 05:40:12,878
they kept him stateside because

9110
05:40:17,030 --> 05:40:14,958
he was their golden boy at that time

9111
05:40:20,948 --> 05:40:17,040
this was no knee-jerk reaction when they

9112
05:40:22,390 --> 05:40:20,958
put that press release out on july 8th

9113
05:40:24,708 --> 05:40:22,400
where they announced to the world that

9114
05:40:27,110 --> 05:40:24,718
they had a flying saucer

9115
05:40:29,030 --> 05:40:27,120
knee-jerk reaction washington already

9116
05:40:32,390 --> 05:40:29,040
had the material in hand already sunday

9117
05:40:35,750 --> 05:40:32,400
july 6th they had all day on monday the

9118
05:40:39,030 --> 05:40:35,760
7th and till that next morning

9119
05:40:41,190 --> 05:40:39,040
to put together this whole as far as

9120
05:40:44,628 --> 05:40:41,200
cover-up scheme and it worked they got

9121
05:40:46,230 --> 05:40:44,638
away with it and they shut down roswell

9122
05:40:47,830 --> 05:40:46,240
all the violations of the first

9123
05:40:49,110 --> 05:40:47,840
amendment rights

9124
05:40:50,788 --> 05:40:49,120
they threatened them with the loss of

9125
05:40:52,868 --> 05:40:50,798
the licenses that they should never talk

9126
05:40:55,350 --> 05:40:52,878
about this again

9127
05:40:57,350 --> 05:40:55,360
and then they have they start abducting

9128
05:41:00,390 --> 05:40:57,360
civilians

9129
05:41:03,510 --> 05:41:00,400
i mean please explain to me why in god's

9130
05:41:07,430 --> 05:41:03,520
name if the rancher mack frazzle has

9131
05:41:10,070 --> 05:41:07,440
merely misreported misidentified a

9132
05:41:13,510 --> 05:41:10,080
weather balloon device

9133
05:41:15,510 --> 05:41:13,520
why would they violate his civil rights

9134
05:41:17,670 --> 05:41:15,520
by kidnapping him and holding him out at

9135
05:41:20,470 --> 05:41:17,680
the base for five full days

9136
05:41:23,510 --> 05:41:20,480
and then until he recances story until

9137
05:41:25,270 --> 05:41:23,520
he is then ushered to the newspapers to

9138
05:41:27,750 --> 05:41:25,280
the radio stations

9139
05:41:29,110 --> 05:41:27,760
to retract the original flying saucer

9140
05:41:31,350 --> 05:41:29,120
story

9141
05:41:33,430 --> 05:41:31,360
and then and only then after they have

9142
05:41:36,070 --> 05:41:33,440
his assurance that he'll never say a

9143
05:41:38,948 --> 05:41:36,080
word about the truth of the matter

9144
05:41:41,110 --> 05:41:38,958
they release him and he's a broken man

9145
05:41:43,430 --> 05:41:41,120
he's never the same

9146
05:41:45,910 --> 05:41:43,440
we've talked to his hand hired hands

9147
05:41:48,070 --> 05:41:45,920
we've talked to his family and they all

9148
05:41:49,990 --> 05:41:48,080
said how he was a broken

9149
05:41:51,190 --> 05:41:50,000
rancher he was never the same after all

9150
05:41:55,030 --> 05:41:51,200
this

9151
05:41:57,430 --> 05:41:55,040
and then up into the later stages of

9152
05:41:59,670 --> 05:41:57,440
their lives and where they're not and

9153
05:42:01,270 --> 05:41:59,680
then only giving deathbed testimonies

9154
05:42:02,470 --> 05:42:01,280
they're finally conceding they're

9155
05:42:05,030 --> 05:42:02,480
finally breaking down and they're

9156
05:42:07,510 --> 05:42:05,040
telling their wives their children

9157
05:42:09,190 --> 05:42:07,520
it wasn't a balloon it wasn't from here

9158
05:42:13,030 --> 05:42:09,200
they weren't from here they weren't

9159
05:42:15,910 --> 05:42:13,040
human it wasn't made on this earth as

9160
05:42:18,230 --> 05:42:15,920
major jesse marcel said the number one

9161
05:42:21,190 --> 05:42:18,240
intelligence officer in the united

9162
05:42:23,270 --> 05:42:21,200
states military at that time

9163
05:42:26,628 --> 05:42:23,280
and he makes that statement that it was

9164
05:42:29,750 --> 05:42:26,638
nothing made on this earth

9165
05:42:31,270 --> 05:42:29,760
now i grant it i grant you this the onus

9166
05:42:33,990 --> 05:42:31,280
remains on us

9167
05:42:36,310 --> 05:42:34,000
the burden of proof is still with us but

9168
05:42:39,190 --> 05:42:36,320
at least our investigation has remained

9169
05:42:41,110 --> 05:42:39,200
fluid after all this time we are still

9170
05:42:43,270 --> 05:42:41,120
racing with the undertaker now with the

9171
05:42:45,030 --> 05:42:43,280
families we are still searching the

9172
05:42:46,868 --> 05:42:45,040
sites we are still looking for the

9173
05:42:49,430 --> 05:42:46,878
physical evidence we're still hoping

9174
05:42:51,590 --> 05:42:49,440
that there's a foot locker or

9175
05:42:53,510 --> 05:42:51,600
something hidden as far as in a basement

9176
05:42:56,150 --> 05:42:53,520
or a crawl space

9177
05:42:58,310 --> 05:42:56,160
yet to be discovered and presented to

9178
05:42:59,590 --> 05:42:58,320
finally prove this

9179
05:43:02,470 --> 05:42:59,600
but we're still the ones who are

9180
05:43:05,270 --> 05:43:02,480
proactive we're the ones that are still

9181
05:43:07,990 --> 05:43:05,280
not so rigid in our position as putting

9182
05:43:10,390 --> 05:43:08,000
out a final statement and this is the

9183
05:43:13,750 --> 05:43:10,400
end of it and take it or leave it

9184
05:43:16,230 --> 05:43:13,760
because i say so well in our cases it's

9185
05:43:19,110 --> 05:43:16,240
because all of our witnesses say so

9186
05:43:21,750 --> 05:43:19,120
because you have zero witnesses please

9187
05:43:22,948 --> 05:43:21,760
you have none and you know it you have

9188
05:43:25,190 --> 05:43:22,958
absolutely

9189
05:43:27,830 --> 05:43:25,200
zero witnesses

9190
05:43:30,948 --> 05:43:27,840
and so how do you think that would

9191
05:43:33,270 --> 05:43:30,958
decide in a court of law

9192
05:43:35,990 --> 05:43:33,280
well i have no way to call up to the

9193
05:43:39,190 --> 05:43:36,000
stand i have nobody to present any

9194
05:43:43,270 --> 05:43:39,200
information or any documentation or any

9195
05:43:46,788 --> 05:43:43,280
testimony to the uh contrary but believe

9196
05:43:48,150 --> 05:43:46,798
me sorry judge is going to laugh you out

9197
05:43:51,670 --> 05:43:48,160
of the room

9198
05:43:53,270 --> 05:43:51,680
because your opinion is nothing more

9199
05:43:54,628 --> 05:43:53,280
than an opinion and they come a dime a

9200
05:43:57,830 --> 05:43:54,638
dozen

9201
05:44:05,030 --> 05:43:59,990
if we're wrong

9202
05:44:09,430 --> 05:44:08,230
life goes on the world goes on it

9203
05:44:11,750 --> 05:44:09,440
changes

9204
05:44:14,070 --> 05:44:11,760
nothing

9205
05:44:15,350 --> 05:44:14,080
but if you're wrong

9206
05:44:16,948 --> 05:44:15,360
if you

9207
05:44:18,230 --> 05:44:16,958
have been

9208
05:44:19,350 --> 05:44:18,240
misleading

9209
05:44:23,990 --> 05:44:19,360
the public

9210
05:44:29,750 --> 05:44:27,430
about what we consider to be the biggest

9211
05:44:32,470 --> 05:44:29,760
story of the millennium

9212
05:44:36,310 --> 05:44:32,480
it changes everything

9213
05:44:38,310 --> 05:44:36,320
and that is your greatest fear

9214
05:44:39,270 --> 05:44:38,320
that it will

9215
05:44:40,868 --> 05:44:39,280
change

9216
05:44:42,788 --> 05:44:40,878
everything

9217
05:44:45,750 --> 05:44:42,798
and you were leading the charge to make

9218
05:44:47,830 --> 05:44:45,760
sure it never came out

9219
05:44:49,030 --> 05:44:47,840
that burden

9220
05:44:50,868 --> 05:44:49,040
that guilt

9221
05:44:52,310 --> 05:44:50,878
remains with you

9222
05:44:54,230 --> 05:44:52,320
not us

9223
05:44:57,270 --> 05:44:54,240
because we've done all we can and we

9224
05:45:00,070 --> 05:44:57,280
will continue to do all we can

9225
05:45:01,590 --> 05:45:00,080
to demonstrate what really happened

9226
05:45:04,470 --> 05:45:01,600
it's an old movie

9227
05:45:07,430 --> 05:45:04,480
and i'll end with this

9228
05:45:10,708 --> 05:45:07,440
called the rajaman effect

9229
05:45:12,708 --> 05:45:10,718
so japanese murder trial 1950

9230
05:45:13,990 --> 05:45:12,718
the rashiman effect is demonstrated in

9231
05:45:16,390 --> 05:45:14,000
the courtroom

9232
05:45:17,830 --> 05:45:16,400
is that there are three sides to every

9233
05:45:19,830 --> 05:45:17,840
event

9234
05:45:21,510 --> 05:45:19,840
three sides

9235
05:45:23,110 --> 05:45:21,520
there's your opinion

9236
05:45:26,548 --> 05:45:23,120
your position

9237
05:45:28,788 --> 05:45:26,558
there's my opinion my position

9238
05:45:31,270 --> 05:45:28,798
and then number three there is what

9239
05:45:33,430 --> 05:45:31,280
really happened

9240
05:45:37,190 --> 05:45:33,440
who has performed the greatest due

9241
05:45:39,190 --> 05:45:37,200
diligence in establishing what happened

9242
05:45:41,990 --> 05:45:39,200
those who just say

9243
05:45:44,948 --> 05:45:42,000
it didn't happen because i say it didn't

9244
05:45:48,708 --> 05:45:44,958
happen or those who are still making

9245
05:45:51,270 --> 05:45:48,718
every effort to prove and demonstrate

9246
05:45:54,310 --> 05:45:51,280
what happened no matter what happened

9247
05:45:58,948 --> 05:45:56,470
and there too

9248
05:46:02,470 --> 05:45:58,958
i think history will judge us

9249
05:46:05,670 --> 05:46:02,480
much kinder than it will those who just

9250
05:46:09,030 --> 05:46:05,680
flatly and summarily dismissed what

9251
05:46:17,030 --> 05:46:09,040
again potentially is the greatest story

9252
05:46:22,548 --> 05:46:20,230
okay well spoken i like that

9253
05:46:24,150 --> 05:46:22,558
long enough five minutes but

9254
05:46:26,230 --> 05:46:24,160
no that's quite all right i wanted to

9255
05:46:28,628 --> 05:46:26,240
give each i i missed

9256
05:46:30,548 --> 05:46:28,638
i missed in my notes to do this for each

9257
05:46:32,310 --> 05:46:30,558
guest and i'm gonna see if i can't get

9258
05:46:35,030 --> 05:46:32,320
them to do that you know i missed it

9259
05:46:37,670 --> 05:46:35,040
with mr randall and uh well mr corf as

9260
05:46:40,070 --> 05:46:37,680
well probably but you know we can we can

9261
05:46:41,830 --> 05:46:40,080
we'll probably uh i'm hopeful that we

9262
05:46:43,350 --> 05:46:41,840
could do some sort of panel show because

9263
05:46:45,030 --> 05:46:43,360
i think that would be amazing and be

9264
05:46:46,948 --> 05:46:45,040
well attended and i hope that you will

9265
05:46:49,270 --> 05:46:46,958
participate in that if we can get

9266
05:46:51,750 --> 05:46:49,280
everybody's schedules to uh to jive help

9267
05:46:53,750 --> 05:46:51,760
me and call me in absolutely and i want

9268
05:46:55,510 --> 05:46:53,760
to thank you once again it's it's rare

9269
05:46:56,628 --> 05:46:55,520
that we get a guest of your caliber and

9270
05:46:58,230 --> 05:46:56,638
status and

9271
05:46:59,670 --> 05:46:58,240
it's been a pleasure so i'm going to

9272
05:47:00,788 --> 05:46:59,680
throw you i'm going to throw you out of

9273
05:47:02,470 --> 05:47:00,798
here there's nothing you need to do

9274
05:47:04,310 --> 05:47:02,480
except close out your browser and you'll

9275
05:47:05,670 --> 05:47:04,320
be good to go otherwise you'll stay in

9276
05:47:06,948 --> 05:47:05,680
my backstage we're going to do an

9277
05:47:09,030 --> 05:47:06,958
intermission and then i'm going to have

9278
05:47:12,230 --> 05:47:09,040
like a discussion with the audience for

9279
05:47:16,070 --> 05:47:12,240
the next hour or so well

9280
05:47:20,070 --> 05:47:17,990
all right thanks mr schmidt

9281
05:47:21,510 --> 05:47:20,080
good evening all right bye-bye my

9282
05:47:23,590 --> 05:47:21,520
pleasure

9283
05:47:24,788 --> 05:47:23,600
wow what a great evening this has been

9284
05:47:26,548 --> 05:47:24,798
friends so

9285
05:47:29,270 --> 05:47:26,558
this is what i'm saying it's just been

9286
05:47:30,548 --> 05:47:29,280
like ping pong back and forth

9287
05:47:32,628 --> 05:47:30,558
and uh

9288
05:47:36,548 --> 05:47:32,638
you know we hear from the skeptical side

9289
05:47:38,470 --> 05:47:36,558
and then we hear from uh more of the uh

9290
05:47:40,628 --> 05:47:38,480
believer side

9291
05:47:42,150 --> 05:47:40,638
and i can't say i disagree with mr

9292
05:47:44,230 --> 05:47:42,160
schmidt

9293
05:47:46,070 --> 05:47:44,240
you know when he talks about the volume

9294
05:47:47,590 --> 05:47:46,080
of work that he has done

9295
05:47:49,510 --> 05:47:47,600
i mean the guy has flown all over the

9296
05:47:51,830 --> 05:47:49,520
country at his own expense driven all

9297
05:47:52,788 --> 05:47:51,840
over the country his own expense

9298
05:47:54,788 --> 05:47:52,798
just

9299
05:47:57,030 --> 05:47:54,798
trying to get to the witnesses trying to

9300
05:48:00,948 --> 05:47:57,040
get to uh

9301
05:48:02,310 --> 05:48:00,958
what it is that actually happened here

9302
05:48:05,590 --> 05:48:02,320
what it is that actually happened not

9303
05:48:07,990 --> 05:48:05,600
here but in roswell in 1947

9304
05:48:10,708 --> 05:48:08,000
it's been an enduring mystery

9305
05:48:12,548 --> 05:48:10,718
for years and it's uh just one of those

9306
05:48:14,470 --> 05:48:12,558
great mysteries

9307
05:48:18,230 --> 05:48:14,480
i'm hopeful that

9308
05:48:19,590 --> 05:48:18,240
someday a smoking gun is going to come

9309
05:48:22,628 --> 05:48:19,600
and prove

9310
05:48:24,708 --> 05:48:22,638
definitively exactly what happened and

9311
05:48:25,990 --> 05:48:24,718
it will be such

9312
05:48:28,868 --> 05:48:26,000
an amazing

9313
05:48:31,350 --> 05:48:28,878
thing if that happens and also

9314
05:48:33,590 --> 05:48:31,360
sort of end the debate because i think

9315
05:48:34,708 --> 05:48:33,600
eventually some evidence is going to

9316
05:48:36,628 --> 05:48:34,718
surface

9317
05:48:39,430 --> 05:48:36,638
that will be

9318
05:48:43,890 --> 05:48:39,440
beyond debate at least i'm hopeful about

9319
05:48:43,900 --> 05:48:54,230
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9320
05:49:00,230 --> 05:48:56,948
greetings and salutations and thank you

9321
05:49:02,788 --> 05:49:00,240
for being here for the 75th roswell

9322
05:49:03,910 --> 05:49:02,798
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9323
05:49:05,430 --> 05:49:03,920
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9324
05:49:07,030 --> 05:49:05,440
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9325
05:49:09,590 --> 05:49:07,040
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9326
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9327
05:49:13,990 --> 05:49:11,600
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9328
05:49:16,310 --> 05:49:14,000
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9329
05:49:18,390 --> 05:49:16,320
thank all of our kind and generous

9330
05:49:21,430 --> 05:49:18,400
benefactors because people all over the

9331
05:49:24,310 --> 05:49:21,440
world send a few bucks in in pledges

9332
05:49:26,628 --> 05:49:24,320
either through paypal or through the

9333
05:49:29,270 --> 05:49:26,638
super chat down there in the live chat

9334
05:49:32,708 --> 05:49:29,280
the money button super stickers

9335
05:49:34,390 --> 05:49:32,718
we have and take cash at pledges as well

9336
05:49:36,548 --> 05:49:34,400
i want to thank everybody who has signed

9337
05:49:38,310 --> 05:49:36,558
up to be a patreon member because for as

9338
05:49:41,030 --> 05:49:38,320
little as a dollar a month you can get

9339
05:49:43,190 --> 05:49:41,040
some extra content from us here

9340
05:49:46,150 --> 05:49:43,200
additionally i'd like to thank the

9341
05:49:48,230 --> 05:49:46,160
channel members who get a bunch of

9342
05:49:50,470 --> 05:49:48,240
youtube benefits as well as all the

9343
05:49:51,910 --> 05:49:50,480
patreon benefits for as little as five

9344
05:49:54,868 --> 05:49:51,920
dollars a month

9345
05:49:56,628 --> 05:49:54,878
i also wanted to mention uh that i have

9346
05:50:01,430 --> 05:49:56,638
uh something

9347
05:50:04,310 --> 05:50:01,440
strange for my friends these are roswell

9348
05:50:06,628 --> 05:50:04,320
wreckage replicas

9349
05:50:09,190 --> 05:50:06,638
which i have been making here i also

9350
05:50:12,230 --> 05:50:09,200
wanted to mention that for today's

9351
05:50:15,030 --> 05:50:12,240
special event we have prizes for those

9352
05:50:17,670 --> 05:50:15,040
of you pledging 30 or more

9353
05:50:19,030 --> 05:50:17,680
either through cash app paypal or super

9354
05:50:19,750 --> 05:50:19,040
chat

9355
05:50:21,350 --> 05:50:19,760
and

9356
05:50:23,270 --> 05:50:21,360
this is a

9357
05:50:27,270 --> 05:50:23,280
gift that we will be sending everybody

9358
05:50:30,628 --> 05:50:27,280
who pledges 30 or more this is a roswell

9359
05:50:33,750 --> 05:50:30,638
debris replica and it's designed

9360
05:50:36,230 --> 05:50:33,760
to look exactly as jesse marcel and his

9361
05:50:39,510 --> 05:50:36,240
son had described

9362
05:50:40,788 --> 05:50:39,520
this is the so-called ib

9363
05:50:44,070 --> 05:50:40,798
wreckage

9364
05:50:46,548 --> 05:50:44,080
uh this is a replica of course uh and

9365
05:50:49,430 --> 05:50:46,558
i'm happy that i'll be able to offer

9366
05:50:50,628 --> 05:50:49,440
these to anybody pledging thirty dollars

9367
05:50:52,868 --> 05:50:50,638
or more

9368
05:50:54,788 --> 05:50:52,878
to our show today this is a just a

9369
05:50:57,030 --> 05:50:54,798
special free gift that we're going to be

9370
05:50:59,270 --> 05:50:57,040
giving you kind and generous people for

9371
05:51:00,470 --> 05:50:59,280
supporting our show

9372
05:51:05,770 --> 05:51:00,480
well friends

9373
05:52:53,510 --> 05:52:14,320
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